# World Cup 2018 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 7, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615 "2018-06-07T18:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1763 "2018-07-11T16:31:05Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Precisely. **Novelty Bobble** , if you don’t think I know that 52 years ago, England won the Cup 4-2 a.e.t. over then-West Germany, with one of the most disputed goals in the history of the game, you don’t know me very well. OK, but I’m pretty sure that a final counts as a final. Yes…I’ve just checked, the wiki page still shows them as finalists and winners. It was definitely a final. What is the cut-off date for relevance? Have Uruguay now _not_ won the tournament? ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1764 "2018-07-11T16:32:47Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The Golden Ball winner has not been in the winning side for a while now. 2014, 2006, 2002, 1998 all saw the winner lose the World Cup final. > I think Baggio was the 1994 winner, it was it Ramario? Romario won in 1994. I’ve been looking at this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA\_World\_Cup\_awards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_awards) Forlan won it in 2010 and Uruguay didn’t get to the final. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1765 "2018-07-11T16:44:55Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > What is the cut-off date for relevance? Have Uruguay now _not_ won the tournament? 2018-2014 = 4. 4 years for inmediate relevance. 2018-1986 = 32 32 years for all time relevance (at the moment) what? ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1766 "2018-07-11T17:49:30Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > 2018-2014 = 4. > > 4 years for inmediate relevance. > > 2018-1986 = 32 > > 32 years for all time relevance (at the moment) > > what? To be fair, that is a very clear answer. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1767 "2018-07-11T17:59:09Z")
I thought we all knew that football started in 1992, when Sky started broadcasting it? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1768 "2018-07-11T18:05:23Z")
England lead in a SF for the first time since 1966. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1769 "2018-07-11T18:05:43Z")
Holy shit ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1770 "2018-07-11T18:07:27Z")
> [@Cumbrian](#): > > Holy shit +1 ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1771 "2018-07-11T18:08:59Z")
England scores! Nice set piece, free kick that went beautifully into the goal. This has energized the English, and have been pressing hard, looking for another goal. Nice attack soccer we’re having! ENG 1 - 1 CRO ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1772 "2018-07-11T18:10:22Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > ENG 1 - 1 CRO Is my feed on delay? Cause its still 1-0 ENG. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1773 "2018-07-11T18:11:26Z")
Adios Croatia. Even if they manage to tie and this goes to OT yet again, what would they have left in the tank for Sunday? As a neutral England must win for the good of football. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1774 "2018-07-11T18:12:26Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Is my feed on delay? Cause its still 1-0 ENG. Mine too. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1775 "2018-07-11T18:16:08Z")
France will have to worry about England set pieces. DesChamps can’t park the bus against those. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1776 "2018-07-11T18:17:33Z")
I still don’t get why there isn’t a man on the post. That Maguire header, had it been on target, would leave the goalie scrambling. A man on the post just gets it clear. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1777 "2018-07-11T18:24:37Z")
> [@Cumbrian](#): > > I still don’t get why there isn’t a man on the post. That Maguire header, had it been on target, would leave the goalie scrambling. A man on the post just gets it clear. This is something I’m curious about. I imagine someone, maybe non-publically, has done analytics on how often a man on the post stops a goal vs a)how much a defender double-teaming an attacker stops a goal or b) how much it helps to have a player further up the field in either winning possession from a clearance or starting a counter attack. It seems extremely unlikely that a bit of increased chance at winning a clearance would beat extra defensive help, but I hope the reason people aren’t guarding posts isn’t just laziness. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1778 "2018-07-11T18:30:06Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Is my feed on delay? Cause its still 1-0 ENG. Fuck, my mistake… and out of time to edit! \>.\< Disregard that score. ENG 1 - 0 CRO And right now England _almost_ scores! ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1779 "2018-07-11T18:30:07Z")
Fucking hell!!! Kane simply has to score there. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1780 "2018-07-11T18:30:39Z")
If England lose, Harry Kane should be executed just for that miss. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1781 "2018-07-11T18:32:33Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > This is something I’m curious about. I imagine someone, maybe non-publically, has done analytics on how often a man on the post stops a goal vs a)how much a defender double-teaming an attacker stops a goal or b) how much it helps to have a player further up the field in either winning possession from a clearance or starting a counter attack. > > It seems extremely unlikely that a bit of increased chance at winning a clearance would beat extra defensive help, but I hope the reason people aren’t guarding posts isn’t just laziness. It has to be analytics. Its the age in which we live. ---
**Author:** ![Cumbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@Cumbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumbrian)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615/1782 "2018-07-11T18:34:30Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > This is something I’m curious about. I imagine someone, maybe non-publically, has done analytics on how often a man on the post stops a goal vs a)how much a defender double-teaming an attacker stops a goal or b) how much it helps to have a player further up the field in either winning possession from a clearance or starting a counter attack. > > It seems extremely unlikely that a bit of increased chance at winning a clearance would beat extra defensive help, but I hope the reason people aren’t guarding posts isn’t just laziness. The thrust of this seems plausible. As I mentioned earlier though, given the success rate from set pieces at this tournament, the presence of VAR and the likelihood that people aim for the corners of the goal to avoid the goalkeeper in the middle of it, it might be worthwhile. What do I know though? Certainly don’t have access to analysis of thousands of corners to work out what the optimum strategy is… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615.md?page=88) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-cup-2018/815615.md?page=90)