# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1981 "2009-06-15T22:49:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That’s kinda what I don’t like about my DK. It spoils me for classes that have to work for a living. Don’t get me wrong I love the ability to get througha fight against 3 mobs of the same level with almost all my hit points but it makes it that much more frustrating when I die. This gives me a window to mention a brief moment of awesome I had playing my level 56 Hunter about a week or two ago. (I may have mentioned it in this thread before, but I’m not hunting it down, yuck yuck.) I was repgrinding in Ashenvale when I noticed Forest Song was being attacked. I got there to find two level 58 DKs, presumably fresh out of Arthas’ employ, dicking around and killing all the NPCs. I decided to try attacking them and died twice, but on the third try I managed to get one DK alone. And my level 56 Hunter in quest greens stomped his level 58 blue-geared ass. 😃 DKs are OP my arse. You still need to know how to play them. ---
**Author:** ![ashman165](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@ashman165](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ashman165)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1982 "2009-06-16T01:26:10Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Sigh. **ashman** , I direct you again to the post I was originally replying to: > > “topping the healing meters” > “gives me serious challenge for hps and overall healing” > “I can pull out 7k hps for about 2 minutes” > > :rolleyes: > > Show me there where you wisely interpreted that data, or gave any arguments other than “I do more totals heals/HPS than everyone else.” As I have stated before, and everyone else seems to understand (thanks **Redwing** ), I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that you’re argument is poorly supported. In other words, “Cite?” You still have a profound misunderstand: “I can pull 7k hps in a pinch” seems to confuse you. When do you think I’d be doing that? Oh yeah, when there’s _massive_ damage incoming. Apparently, you’re also not reading that with the phrase “we only count effectively healing”. If you can’t put those together, it isn’t my fault. “gives me serious challenge for hps and overall healing” again, you fail to adequately read that we only count effective healing. I can only surmise one of those words confuses you. Do you know what “effective healing” is? I suppose for my argument to be well-supported, I’m going to have to first figure out what confuses you so that I can cure this problem. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1983 "2009-06-16T03:01:00Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > This gives me a window to mention a brief moment of awesome I had playing my level 56 Hunter about a week or two ago. (I may have mentioned it in this thread before, but I’m not hunting it down, yuck yuck.) I was repgrinding in Ashenvale when I noticed Forest Song was being attacked. I got there to find two level 58 DKs, presumably fresh out of Arthas’ employ, dicking around and killing all the NPCs. I decided to try attacking them and died twice, but on the third try I managed to get one DK alone. And my level 56 Hunter in quest greens stomped his level 58 blue-geared ass. 😃 DKs are OP my arse. You still need to know how to play them. That is very cool. 😃 I’ve tried the occasional spot of pvp on my hunter as part of dailies and one or two duels, but haven’t gotten the basic concepts to click. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1984 "2009-06-16T04:42:28Z")
Just a quick update on my WoW withdrawal sickness (because we’re moving - and this computer doesn’t have the accellerator card I need), I WAS able to download a 14 day trial version of EQ, but shoooo-eeeee, that game is hard to navigate even WITHOUT the jerkiness of not having enough virtual memory. I finally just uninstalled it, and will get my other computer up here ASAP! 😃 Also, I have some red Defias bandannas. What are they good for? I completed THAT quest long ago. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1985 "2009-06-16T05:02:24Z")
Oh, god…EQ is about 10 times as confusing as WoW. At least the last time I played it (a couple of years ago), there was no consistent quest system. Half of the quests you get you have to reconstruct from conversation. Half of the quests you get end up in a quest log. Travel sucks. EQ is just very not-WoW. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1986 "2009-06-16T08:34:04Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Also, I have some red Defias bandannas. What are they good for? I completed THAT quest long ago. Completed which one? I think there are about five or so quests where you need to collect bandanas. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1987 "2009-06-16T12:01:09Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Completed which one? I think there are about five or so quests where you need to collect bandanas. I’m thinking he probably got a couple of the rogue-only equippable bandannas. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1988 "2009-06-16T14:26:21Z")
> [@InvisibleWombat](#): > > You obviously know what the meters are for and how to use them. But there are a lot of DPSers that I wish would just uninstall Recount. I think they’d be better group players without it. God, yes. There was the “I top the DPS meters every time” shadow priest who signed up for our Naxx run this weekend then didn’t even bother to show or say anything about not showing. And the “wants a DPS report a few times a raid” hunter who thinks he’s hot stuff but got rated #5 out of a 10-man raid (pet damage not separated out). That was including a MT, OT, and three healers… Considering we’ve got a 10-man Ulduar guild raid coming up in a couple days, I’m glad I will be out of town, after hearing the been-to-Naxx-once, 9% hit rating warlock yap on and on about how eager he is to go. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1989 "2009-06-16T14:31:33Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Considering we’ve got a 10-man Ulduar guild raid coming up in a couple days, I’m glad I will be out of town, after hearing the been-to-Naxx-once, 9% hit rating warlock yap on and on about how eager he is to go. Sorry to overanalyze things, but is 9% hit rating (263, I think) now under-spec for Ulduar (not that I expect to go to Uld soon or anything)? I just got through reading all the relevant bits on wowwiki and from what they were saying it looked like I should re-gem into more expertise/haste/whatever once I hit 263/9%. Mainly, I just don’t want to mess up my fellow Burning Dogs when we do our Naxx run this Thursday (hopefully). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1990 "2009-06-16T14:36:11Z")
> [@twilly80](#): > > Shot I am still waiting for the money you were going to give me. We’ve already discussed that the char that needs the money is on a different server and of a different faction. Where are you going with this? > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yeah but people don’t ask men to breastfeed their children either. I just said get used to getting asked or play something else not that you can’t play what you want. Nobody minds being _asked_, they mind when people insist that they have to take a role they’re not interested in/equipped for/specced for. And you seem to think that the solution is to play another class, instead of the problem lying with the people who’re making unreasonable demands. > [@](#): > > Like I said, I probably have some presumptions I have carried over from EQ (and granted in EQ clerics were good for nothing but healing and warriors were good for nothing but tanking) but I seem to recall Blizzard saying that warriors are the baseline for tanks. And you’ve been told that, as far as the current state of the game goes, you’re wrong. WoW isn’t EQ, and WoW of 2009 isn’t WoW of 2005. Please figure this out. > [@ashman165](#): > > Do you know what “effective healing” is? I suppose for my argument to be well-supported, I’m going to have to first figure out what confuses you so that I can cure this problem. I understand effective healing just fine. You don’t seem to understand that while you may have \*meant \*this by your original post (the one I objected to), you didn’t \*say \*any of it then. All you did was talk about the fact that your topping the meters meant that Priests were the best healers. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1991 "2009-06-16T14:38:41Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Sorry to overanalyze things, but is 9% hit rating (263, I think) now under-spec for Ulduar (not that I expect to go to Uld soon or anything)? I just got through reading all the relevant bits on wowwiki and from what they were saying it looked like I should re-gem into more expertise/haste/whatever once I hit 263/9%. > > Mainly, I just don’t want to mess up my fellow Burning Dogs when we do our Naxx run this Thursday (hopefully). Ugh, could be - last I played my flippin’ warlock in a raid, it was higher. These days I’ve been the primary priest for so long that until our other main priest hit 80 I was practically required to be there for a raid to happen. WoWWiki seems to update sporadically since WotLK; I’d check Elitist Jerks and see what their assessment is. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1992 "2009-06-16T14:39:18Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Sorry to overanalyze things, but is 9% hit rating (263, I think) now under-spec for Ulduar (not that I expect to go to Uld soon or anything)? Until another expansion comes out that raises the level cap (or Blizz tweaks the formula), all opponent-level-based caps will stay the same. This includes both offensive caps like Hit Rating and defensive caps like the crit immunity cap for Defense. ETA: 8% is the hit cap for specials _for melee_. I don’t know what the spell hit cap is, because I don’t have any max-level casters. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1993 "2009-06-16T14:42:56Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > WoWWiki seems to update sporadically since WotLK; I’d check Elitist Jerks and see what their assessment is. I’ve tried looking at Elitist Jerks, but I don’t understand them. SwG has pretty much allayed my fears below, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1994 "2009-06-16T14:44:41Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > ETA: 8% is the hit cap for specials _for melee_. I don’t know what the spell hit cap is, because I don’t have any max-level casters. Well, since I’m a two-hander wielding DK, that will do it for me. Thanks for helping out this dedicated solo player trying to transition into raiding! ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1995 "2009-06-16T14:46:08Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Well, since I’m a two-hander wielding DK, that will do it for me. Thanks for helping out this dedicated solo player trying to transition into raiding! Last I checked, hit cap for casters was 17% - it is/was much higher than the one-weapon (2H or 1+shield) melee hit cap. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1996 "2009-06-16T14:47:23Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Sorry to overanalyze things, but is 9% hit rating (263, I think) now under-spec for Ulduar (not that I expect to go to Uld soon or anything)? I just got through reading all the relevant bits on wowwiki and from what they were saying it looked like I should re-gem into more expertise/haste/whatever once I hit 263/9%. > > Mainly, I just don’t want to mess up my fellow Burning Dogs when we do our Naxx run this Thursday (hopefully). 8% is the physical DPS hit rating (higher for dual-wield). For casters, the spell hit cap is 17% (something like 440 hit I think - come classes have talents that reduce this). Ulduar vs. Naxx is irrelevant - all raid bosses have the same miss chance. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1997 "2009-06-16T14:48:50Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I understand effective healing just fine. You don’t seem to understand that while you may have \*meant \*this by your original post (the one I objected to), you didn’t \*say \*any of it then. All you did was talk about the fact that your topping the meters meant that Priests were the best healers. I confess I’m puzzled by this. You seem to want **ashman** to acknowledge that his original post contained misconceptions. It may have originally been poor wording, but he did clarify things in a later post. It doesn’t seem productive to continue this line of discussion any further. “I’m going to shoot him later.” “WHAT?! How could you shoot him? He didn’t do anything wrong!” “I mean with a camera.” “Okay, but you didn’t say that originally. You said you were going to _shoot_ him. Why shouldn’t I call the police?” “Beeeecause I’m going to use a camera, not a gun?” “But you said…” At least, that’s what I’m getting out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1998 "2009-06-16T14:48:55Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Considering we’ve got a 10-man Ulduar guild raid coming up in a couple days, I’m glad I will be out of town, after hearing the been-to-Naxx-once, 9% hit rating warlock yap on and on about how eager he is to go. Please tell me he’s got 3 points in Suppression. Assuming ImpFF/Misery, and that you’re Alliance with a Draenei in the raid, that brings him to 16%. Isn’t going to help with the been to Naxx once part of his gear, but he won’t be losing significant dps due to hit. OTOH, if that 9% is with Suppression factored in, or he doesn’t have the talent, well… ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1999 "2009-06-16T14:54:30Z")
Melee hit cap is 9%, or maybe 8%. Spell hit cap is 17%. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2000 "2009-06-16T14:55:08Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > Please tell me he’s got 3 points in Suppression. Assuming ImpFF/Misery, and that you’re Alliance with a Draenei in the raid, that brings him to 16%. Isn’t going to help with the been to Naxx once part of his gear, but he won’t be losing significant dps due to hit. OTOH, if that 9% is with Suppression factored in, or he doesn’t have the talent, well… We’re Horde, and he’s Destro with a tiny bit of Demon, and no Suppression. ☹ Misery isn’t guaranteed by any means (cf. comment above about no-showing Shadow priest), either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=99) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=101)