# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 107
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2121 "2009-06-18T16:34:55Z")
SteveG1, I believe you mean _50 DKP MINUS_. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2122 "2009-06-18T16:56:08Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Woohoo! Iā€™m assuming your 4pc bonus is something worthwhile, then? Itā€™s better than 2pT7 2pT8 which is what I had been using. > [@](#): > > Ouch. On the plus side, this has gotta mean youā€™re sure to hit it next time. Weā€™ve gotten it before, this would be the, IIRC, thrid or fourth time. From what we can tell dps off was called after heā€™d reached a point where the DoTs were going to finish before we could all suicide. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > SteveG1, I believe you mean _50 DKP MINUS_. šŸ˜ƒ Ok, Stop DoTs! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2123 "2009-06-18T17:43:29Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Heck, at 67 you could practically skip straight to Northrend, were you so inclined. Thatā€™s exactly what I did. My main was already at 70 and pretty well-equipped (by non-raider standards) when Wrath came out. I had an alt that was level 67, and I took him straight to Borean Tundra, had a blast, and leveled _FAR_ faster than I could have in Outland. Shadow priests just rock for solo play in that environment. His gear was mediocre quest greens from Outland, and he replaced darned near all of it with Northrend gear before he hit 70. > [@twilly80](#): > > Iā€™m willing to take the 15 percent hit dude, so can I please have some gold > ? **Gukumatz** already said this, but Iā€™m going to reinforce it: Cut it out, **Twilly80**. If you put as much energy into playing the game as you put into begging, youā€™d already have your gold. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2124 "2009-06-18T17:47:16Z")
$5 says we never see \*\*twilly \*\*again. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2125 "2009-06-18T17:48:57Z")
God, that almost makes me want to create a sock (donā€™t do it, kids, itā€™s a bannable offense, even as a joke!) to demand the five dollars from you. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2126 "2009-06-18T17:49:44Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > $5 says we never see \*\*twilly \*\*again. $5 dollars! Send it to me now! You promised you wouldā€¦ šŸ˜‰ ETA: Beaten to the punch by **Tom Scud** ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2127 "2009-06-18T18:02:57Z")
Haha, that reminds me, I owe one of our off-tanks 5g from last night because he bet me that the shield would finally drop. I shushed him 'cause I didnā€™t want to jinx it, but Iā€™m still gonna pay up. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2128 "2009-06-18T18:37:39Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I just got mine last week, so I (admittedly biased) think itā€™s great! Grats! > > Iā€™m using the following for my Chef outfit, useful for standing around Dalaran looking awesome: > > [Chefā€™s Hat](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46349) > [Brewfest Dress](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33863) (only item with an apron) > [Brewfest Slippers](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33966) > [Cookieā€™s Tenderizer](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=5197) > [Gluttonā€™s Cleaver](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=10772) > > And donā€™t forget to turn your Chef title on, of course! šŸ˜ƒ Actually, I was gonna look around to see if I could find an all-white outfit and run around as a pillsbury doughboy look-alike, but I like your costume scheme too! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2129 "2009-06-18T18:41:44Z")
> [@ArrMatey](#): > > Actually, I was gonna look around to see if I could find an all-white outfit and run around as a pillsbury doughboy look-alike Omigod. ā€¦ I guess i know what _Iā€™m_ doing when I get home. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2130 "2009-06-18T20:13:09Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Yeah, I remember doing a Nexus run with a bunch of exactly-level-70s, with a shadow priest healing and I think it was a Fury warrior tanking. Somehow we cleared all the wings (with multiple wipes), but the dragon at the end was hopeless. Five wipes later I had to quit for the night. The dragon at the end is a real PITA. Were you jumping during the fight? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2131 "2009-06-18T20:20:13Z")
> [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](#): > > Yes, but SFGā€™s character is alliance on that server. (iirc, sorry for jumping in!) šŸ™‚ > > One cannot mail stuff between Horde and Alliance. I have a Horde and Alliance toon on one of the servers and I transfer money between them via neutral auctionhouse. They charge a 15% handling fee but, its better than nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2132 "2009-06-18T20:26:27Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > A friend and I were talking about this over the weekend. The wall Blizzard enforces between Horde and Alliance is really kind of stupid, especially given that canon at the time WoW started had both sides more or less neutral to each other, if not friendly. Especially when you get into Outland, youā€™d think theyā€™d have stuff for the Horde and Alliance teaming up, even if only for specific instances. There could be a long quest chain at 70 or 80 that gifts you with the ability to speak Orcish or Tauren or something. Thereā€™s tons of stuff in lore about the two sides working together (Thrall and Jaina, anyone?), but there is absolutely no way to do it in game. > > City of Heroes does this. Not perfectly, but they do allow heroes and villains to team in certain areas where their differences are put aside in the face of a greater threat or theyā€™re otherwise forced to be non-hostile to each other. It works out pretty well, and thereā€™s more justification for it in WoW, as lore is that neither the Alliance nor the Horde are truly evil, whereas in CoX itā€™s very much a good/evil divide. There is that one quest that ends in a cutscene that leads to the raid on Undercity that ends with Jain proudmore stepping in between Thrall and some human admiral. But if we didnā€™t have the realm v realm concept, then what would you do? Have Draenei group with forsaken? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2133 "2009-06-18T20:29:22Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) My friends and I have also lamented that thereā€™s no way to switch factions. We were hoping they might do it with DKsā€“youā€™d roll a DK of whatever race you liked, but then would choose which faction to align it with after you broke away. > > 2.) Forget opposite faction languagesā€“how about the languages of other races in your own faction? I think you should learn a factionā€™s language once you hit Exalted with it. Well, it makes you wonder why a human that died and came back as forsaken would suddenly forget how to speak common but would understand this new language gutterspeak. It also makes you wonder about undead DKs. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2134 "2009-06-18T20:37:53Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well, it makes you wonder why a human that died and came back as forsaken would suddenly forget how to speak common but would understand this new language gutterspeak. It also makes you wonder about undead DKs. Hehā€¦Iā€™ve thought about that. ā€œTheyā€™re already undead! Doesnā€™t the shared undeath of a DK make them just plain human again?ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2135 "2009-06-18T20:50:15Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Hehā€¦Iā€™ve thought about that. ā€œTheyā€™re already undead! Doesnā€™t the shared undeath of a DK make them just plain human again?ā€ I made an undead DK just to see how they handled it. [spoiler]The guy you have to kill in the starting area? You fought as humans together against the scourge. You fought as scourge together against the humans. You were freed by Sylvanas, and fought the humans and scourge together as Forsaken. You died again, and Arthas brought you back. Now, kill your friend. Iā€™m pretty sure that Arthas brought you back as an undead Undead DK, he did it to mess with you. Heā€™s got to dislike the Forsaken almost as much as they hate him. And I bet Forsaken DKs really really hate Arthas.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2136 "2009-06-18T20:51:25Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > I know. šŸ™‚ Iā€™m not that good at abandoning quests and want to try everything now, especially since the next highest toon is about 44 or so. Iā€™m trying to break myself of this so I can get to Northrend in a few more levels. > > Iā€™ve pretty much cleared out Hellfire Peninsula already except for the group quests, and am doing Nagrand because a guildie suggested the Ring of Blood chain when we were looking for either rewards or cool factor. You can do any of the non-dungeon group quests by the time you are 67. Have you noticed how nice the quest rewards are in Outland than they were in Azeroth? Well, they get a similar boost between Outland and Northrend. The XP rewards for quests are also a LOT higher. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2137 "2009-06-18T20:52:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The dragon at the end is a real PITA. Were you jumping during the fight? Yes, I was jumping. Didnā€™t help much. (They made me tank one of the wipes. That also didnā€™t help much, specially since I had not tanked AT ALL as a DK before.) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2138 "2009-06-18T20:54:35Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner! _There are no defined class roles in WoW._ Roles are determined by spec, not by class. A Fury Warrior is DPS, not a tank. A Shadow Priest is DPS, not a healer. A Resto Shaman is a healer, not DPS. And so on. So can every calss spec to tank? Or is that limited to specifics classes? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2139 "2009-06-18T20:54:37Z")
Iā€™m willing to bet theyā€™ll throw in mixed alliance/horde instances in the level 91-100 expansion, and maybe even in the 81-90 one. But Iā€™m pretty sure theyā€™re going to want to use it as a draw for a major event, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2140 "2009-06-18T20:56:25Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > My personal OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG news: [Wall of Terror](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40400) finally dropped for me! šŸ˜ƒ And for every awesome drop, there is an equal and opposite WTF dropā€¦ My personal WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF news: [Super Simian Sphere](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37254) finally chose me to drop on! šŸ˜• [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=106) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=108)