# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 113
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2241 "2009-06-22T16:51:04Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG > > \*\*Guess who won the STV fishing tournament this weekend! \*\*šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ Iā€™m almost never able to be online during it, too, since Sunday is the day I do videos ā€˜nā€™ dinner with my mom. Awesome! My wife won it sometime last year. We stacked her chances though, I disrupted allies, while the guild MT fished the same nodes as horde. šŸ™‚ > [@](#): > > **Torch-Catching Achievement** > > This can be done with no more than 10 torches, because they \*\*are not consumed \*\*when you toss/catch them. You may even want to attempt it with five, to save yourself the Burning Blossoms. Also note that the torches **do not soulbind** and **can be mailed** , so you might be able to get the torches from a guildie or other friend who has already done the achievement. > > 1.) Find a quiet spot in Dalaran. > 2.) Put the torches on your action bar. > 3.) Scroll your camera out and point it straight down at your character. > 4.) Spam the button you have the torches bound to while spam-clicking on yourself. Just because, I bought a full stack of torches (40). I was unable to get more than 16 in the air at once (when targeting myself, obviously). Going to try to get a group of people to spam pass torches to each other at some point. > [@](#): > > Heā€™s not soloable on Heroic on anyone but a hybrid. You need someone who can soak damage \*and \*heal during phase 1 \*\*\*and \*\*\*do heavy damage during the burn phase. Dunno about on regularā€“I didnā€™t want to waste a summon to attempt it. AFAIK, thereā€™s no reason not to do him on normal, the only thing different is the necks, and itā€™s all 70 gear anyway. Thereā€™s not much difference between the modes though, as far as Ahune goes, heā€™s still a 70+ instance boss type mob. With a dps and a healer heā€™s easy. We where running with my pally, a lock and my wifeā€™s hunter, and weā€™d summon people in for two attempts each. We use regular because we donā€™t have to worry about whoā€™s attuned to the H, and we can harvest lowbie summons. Itā€™s win/win, they get two summons, and a guarunteed kill, with a direct summon right to the boss area; we get two more chances at the pet. > [@](#): > > Even in a PUG, this should _never happen_, at least if the characters in question were 70s. Whoever was Master Looter screwed up baaaaaaaaad. Guild off night run. Loot rules were open rolls, except if a glaive drops that completes a set (we have both glaives in guild, but no sets). > [@](#): > > If this was just a fun-run for 80s, thoughā€¦ Meh. Then I donā€™t care as much. Sunwell gear is outdated enough that it isnā€™t going to be an upgrade for anyone at max level, so itā€™s not like anyoneā€™s actually going to do anything with the item but let it rot in the bank. Yeah, but the guy in question has been earning a reputation for loot whoring. It doesnā€™t bother me that much, but there certainly was drama. We did have someone on an alt 71 mage, who all the other casters let take KJā€™s caster dagger. I went to get the SwP achivement on my pally. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2242 "2009-06-22T16:54:14Z")
> [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](#): > > That does sound like fun! šŸ™‚ You are giving me yet more reasons to only play the druid - they really are so versatileā€¦ > > Iā€™ve mind controlled people off the lumber mill with my priest, so I think I know the joy that you feel with typhoon - ah, good times. šŸ˜ƒ > > Stealthers (well, rogues really) can be such a nuisance if you canā€™t see them with your handy engineer goggles. They tend to hover around a flag just stunning a person. They stun and stun and stun but donā€™t turn the flag just to be annoying. Mind control works best in Alterac Valley. I pick a ā€œlucky winnerā€ to MC off the bridge and sometimes the fall kills them. Also, it really pisses them off if you run onto the bridge and let loose a psychic scream. But itā€™s more fun if you save it for when they are all in the room trying to down Vann (or Drek, depending on what side youā€™re on). Youā€™ll probably die fast once they notice you, but oh well. Priests and warlocks, with their fears, debuffs, and stuff can really make a mess of it for the other side IF they live long enough to do it. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2243 "2009-06-22T16:56:03Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Now, people who sit \*right on top of \*the quest-giver (or donā€™t land, so their big flappy wings are in the way), thatā€™s another story. This. If youā€™re on a flying dragon mount, itā€™s _impossible_ to get close enough to click the NPC without getting your mount right on top of the NPC. I had that issue when I was trying to talk to that gigantic Freya NPC in Sholazar Basin while mounted on my bird. I hate talking to a questgiverā€™s ankles, so when I was turning in her quests I flew up to her eye-level, but found I couldnā€™t effectively click on her (that is, couldnā€™t get a yellow ā€œ!ā€) without moving so close that my birdā€™s head was buried in her face. Blizz really ought to make the NPC click distance proportional to the size of the NPC. It seems, rather, to be based on your toonā€™s distance from the ā€œgeographicā€ center of the NPCā€™s model and this is a fixed distance regardless of model size. So even on foot, to click on something huge like a giant youā€™ve got to stand in itā€™s feet. Iā€™ve seen the same thing around Old Man Barlo (the fishing daily questgiver near Shattrath). Lots of people log out near him, or even _on_ him, while still mounted on their flyers. The other day I ran up to him, and the instant I got there, before I could click, a tauren on an epic mount dropped right down on top of him. Part of the problem there is that if youā€™re mounted on a flyer, you simply canā€™t see whatā€™s right under you, so that tauren probably didnā€™t even know I was there. Thatā€™s why when _I_ log out while still mounted, I back my mount off a short distance so that when I log back in I can see the NPC. If somebody is talking to him, I wait until theyā€™re finished before I move in. I just think thatā€™s being polite. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2244 "2009-06-22T16:57:11Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > Guild off night run. Loot rules were open rolls, except if a glaive drops that completes a set (we have both glaives in guild, but no sets). > > Yeah, but the guy in question has been earning a reputation for loot whoring. It doesnā€™t bother me that much, but there certainly was drama. We did have someone on an alt 71 mage, who all the other casters let take KJā€™s caster dagger. I went to get the SwP achivement on my pally. Our guild uses Master looting and also a ā€œeveryone pass and then discussā€ on important drops. Greens, we donā€™t really worry about. That takes care of most loot whores pretty well. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2245 "2009-06-22T17:14:28Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Mind control works best in Alterac Valley. I pick a ā€œlucky winnerā€ to MC off the bridge and sometimes the fall kills them. Also, it really pisses them off if you run onto the bridge and let loose a psychic scream. But itā€™s more fun if you save it for when they are all in the room trying to down Vann (or Drek, depending on what side youā€™re on). Youā€™ll probably die fast once they notice you, but oh well. > > Priests and warlocks, with their fears, debuffs, and stuff can really make a mess of it for the other side IF they live long enough to do it. šŸ˜ƒ Bwa-ha-ha, you may be a bit evil and I think I like it! šŸ™‚ (Oh, and this is late, but welcome to Cairne Bosstone!) ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2246 "2009-06-22T17:17:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > This. If youā€™re on a flying dragon mount, itā€™s _impossible_ to get close enough to click the NPC without getting your mount right on top of the NPC. I had that issue when I was trying to talk to that gigantic Freya NPC in Sholazar Basin while mounted on my bird. I hate talking to a questgiverā€™s ankles, so when I was turning in her quests I flew up to her eye-level, but found I couldnā€™t effectively click on her (that is, couldnā€™t get a yellow ā€œ!ā€) without moving so close that my birdā€™s head was buried in her face. Blizz really ought to make the NPC click distance proportional to the size of the NPC. It seems, rather, to be based on your toonā€™s distance from the ā€œgeographicā€ center of the NPCā€™s model and this is a fixed distance regardless of model size. So even on foot, to click on something huge like a giant youā€™ve got to stand in itā€™s feet. If youā€™re having issues clicking on a quest giver/flight master/vendor hit shift+v to turn on friendly nameplaces, and click on the nameplate for the guy you want. This really makes a difference in Venomspite when everyone is trying to repair after a wipe, and you have all these drakes, proto-drakes, and such blocking the vendor. Thorim, in Storm Peaks really irritates me with this. I want to click on his head, not his legs. > [@SteveG1](#): > > Our guild uses Master looting and also a ā€œeveryone pass and then discussā€ on important drops. Greens, we donā€™t really worry about. That takes care of most loot whores pretty well. It was master looted. We always master loot, greens get DEed for the gbank, blues get sold, rolled for, or DEed, and epics follow whatever loot rules we have (offical raids are DKP+rank based, the alt run is roll based, but someone who hasnā€™t gotten a mainspec piece has priority over someone who hasnā€™t (KT is open rolling to keep people from ā€œsavingā€ their rolls)). Since the starting loot rules said open rolls for everything but glaives, and the rogue had the highest rollā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2247 "2009-06-22T17:20:22Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > AFAIK, thereā€™s no reason not to do him on normal, You donā€™t need the quest to summon him for Heroic, and you can keep summoning him until you kill him. Itā€™s a good way to test whether heā€™s solo-able, because if you die, you havenā€™t lost your summon for the day (whereas if you try to solo him on normal and die, youā€™re SOL, at least as far as your summon goes). > [@](#): > > Loot rules were open rolls, except if a glaive drops that completes a set (we have both glaives in guild, but no sets). [snip] Yeah, but the guy in question has been earning a reputation for loot whoring. It doesnā€™t bother me that much, but there certainly was drama. IMO, if the Hunters wanted the bow _that badly_, they should have had everyone agree ahead of time that theyā€™d be the only ones to roll on it. Otherwise, open roll is open roll, and thereā€™s no use crying about it. > [@SteveG1](#): > > Mind control works best in Alterac Valley. A friend of mine has some fun video of him defending a graveyard in AV on his Undead Shadow Priest. I canā€™t look it up from work, but if you search for the user jcapone3rd, you should find it pretty easily. > [@SteveG1](#): > > Our guild uses Master looting and also a ā€œeveryone pass and then discussā€ on important drops. Greens, we donā€™t really worry about. That takes care of most loot whores pretty well. We use Master Looter with the threshold set at blue items. Greens go to whoever picks 'em up. Blues go into the gbank. Epics are distributed by a loot council system. The GL/RL, officers, and some other experienced raiders are all in a loot council channel during runs; when an epic drops, anyone who wants it links their current item (i.e., what theyā€™d be upgrading from), and the council discusses who to award the item to. We prioritize main spec over off, mains over alts, and generally healers/tanks over DPS. Other factors include attendance, effort (in terms of researching fights instead of waiting to have it explained to you, running heroics to get all other upgrades you can instead of showing up in greens, etc.), being prepared, not dying to stupid stuff, and how much other loot youā€™ve gotten recently. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2248 "2009-06-22T17:31:14Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > If youā€™re having issues clicking on a quest giver/flight master/vendor hit shift+v to turn on friendly nameplaces, and click on the nameplate for the guy you want. This really makes a difference in Venomspite when everyone is trying to repair after a wipe, and you have all these drakes, proto-drakes, and such blocking the vendor. Baby Spice is your friend. Nothing pisses off a Tauren on a mammoth whoā€™s trying to completely block the Dalaran flightmaster faster than when I toss some Baby Spice on him and suddenly heā€™s a wee tiny Tauren on a mini-mammoth and Iā€™m happily on my way. (Yeah, since Iā€™m Horde too I could just ask him to move, but even some of our own Hordies are dicks sometimes. Baby Spice is more fun.) ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2249 "2009-06-22T17:33:18Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > IMO, if the Hunters wanted the bow _that badly_, they should have had everyone agree ahead of time that theyā€™d be the only ones to roll on it. Otherwise, open roll is open roll, and thereā€™s no use crying about it. Assuming weā€™re talking about Thoriā€™dal, the funny thing about someone stealing it from a hunter is that it might be the only Legendary item with a ā€œquirkā€ that is still useful at 80. Ammo might be cheap, but free ammo is even cheaper šŸ™‚ I canā€™t image whoever ninjaā€™ed it will shoot it enough to make it worth the grief they got for taking it. ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2250 "2009-06-22T17:43:47Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I have reached the conclusion that, unless/until I have PvP gear, there is absolutely no point in attempting to ā€œdefendā€ a capital city against opposing-faction invaders. Last night I was in Darnassus with my level 80 ret paladin when I spotted a level 80 horde DK galloping through the city with his PvP flag on. I gave chase and finally caught up to him on the dock in Rutā€™theran Village. It wasnā€™t pretty. He completely annihilated me in about three seconds! It was ā€¦ embarrassing ā˜¹ Yeah, much dislike for PvP here, althoughā€¦ Iā€™ve got a friend who has a rogue. He only does ā€˜vengenceā€™ PvPā€¦ He likes to stalk people who either kill questgivers or lowbies that they wouldnā€™t get any honor for. And when I say ā€˜stalkā€™, I mean -stalk-. Heā€™ll follow them, stealthed, for a very, very long time, occasionally just running over and sapping them. Just a little stun. That lasts for freakinā€™ ever. Doesnā€™t kill them unless they donā€™t get the ā€˜hintā€™. His little hunting of some hordies who were killing newbies in the early levels of the Darnasus surroundings (a trio of level 50ish horde versus nelfs who were, at most, around level 12) was so amusing I almost choked on my soda. After long enough, said hordies got so frustrated with the constant stunning they literally jumped off the side of the world-tree rather than face either the rogue or the guards that would inevatably be in Darnasus proper (though lord knows how they got past 'em in the first placeā€¦) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2251 "2009-06-22T18:00:41Z")
> [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](#): > > (as well as being called _ahem_ a woman of dubious virtue)ā€¦ What do you expect when you dress that way. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2252 "2009-06-22T18:01:20Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Assuming weā€™re talking about Thoriā€™dal, the funny thing about someone stealing it from a hunter is that it might be the only Legendary item with a ā€œquirkā€ that is still useful at 80. Ammo might be cheap, but free ammo is even cheaper The fact that itā€™s ammoless is useful, but that doesnā€™t make it outweigh a bow with better stats that does more damage, especially given the DPS bonus thatā€™s given by the highest level of ammo. **ArrMatey!** : I, too, am not a big fan of world PvP, and generally only PvP on my main to teach a lesson to someone who tries to gank me (e.g., when in holiday clothes instead of my normal gear, or when my HP is abnormally low) or a lowbie. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2253 "2009-06-22T18:02:37Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > Baby Spice is your friend. Nothing pisses off a Tauren on a mammoth whoā€™s trying to completely block the Dalaran flightmaster faster than when I toss some Baby Spice on him and suddenly heā€™s a wee tiny Tauren on a mini-mammoth and Iā€™m happily on my way. (Yeah, since Iā€™m Horde too I could just ask him to move, but even some of our own Hordies are dicks sometimes. Baby Spice is more fun.) So where does one obtain this ā€¦ Baby Spice? > [@ArrMatey](#): > > Iā€™ve got a friend who has a rogue. He only does ā€˜vengenceā€™ PvPā€¦ He likes to stalk people who either kill questgivers or lowbies that they wouldnā€™t get any honor for. And when I say ā€˜stalkā€™, I mean -stalk-. Heā€™ll follow them, stealthed, for a very, very long time, occasionally just running over and sapping them. Just a little stun. That lasts for freakinā€™ ever. Doesnā€™t kill them unless they donā€™t get the ā€˜hintā€™. His little hunting of some hordies who were killing newbies in the early levels of the Darnasus surroundings (a trio of level 50ish horde versus nelfs who were, at most, around level 12) was so amusing I almost choked on my soda. After long enough, said hordies got so frustrated with the constant stunning they literally jumped off the side of the world-tree rather than face either the rogue or the guards that would inevatably be in Darnasus proper (though lord knows how they got past 'em in the first placeā€¦) Thatā€™s freakinā€™ awesome šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2254 "2009-06-22T18:08:08Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > So where does one obtain this ā€¦ Baby Spice? Itā€™s a potential reward you can get from the cooking daily in Dalaranā€“you get a spice bag that has a chance to contain Northern Spice (used for recipes), Baby Spice (shrinks things), or Old Spice (gives things a ā€œsmells goodā€ buff). Northern can be traded or sold; Baby and Old soulbind, so you have to do the quests yourselves to get them. Personally, I just vendor them for the couple copper they fetchā€“itā€™s not worth it to me to take up an extra bag or bank slot on the off chance that I might want to use them, especially seeing as itā€™s pretty hard for anybody to truly block a vendor/mailbox/etc.ā€“you just have to get creative with your camera angles and where youā€™re clicking. ---
**Author:** ![twilly80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@twilly80](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twilly80)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2255 "2009-06-22T18:20:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > The fact that itā€™s ammoless is useful, but that doesnā€™t make it outweigh a bow with better stats that does more damage, especially given the DPS bonus thatā€™s given by the highest level of ammo. > > **ArrMatey!** : I, too, am not a big fan of world PvP, and generally only PvP on my main to teach a lesson to someone who tries to gank me (e.g., when in holiday clothes instead of my normal gear, or when my HP is abnormally low) or a lowbie. I will PVP you for 500g! ---
**Author:** ![twilly80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@twilly80](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twilly80)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2256 "2009-06-22T18:21:43Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > So where does one obtain this ā€¦ Baby Spice? Wasnā€™t she the red head in the Spice Girls? ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2257 "2009-06-22T18:35:21Z")
> [@ArrMatey](#): > > After long enough, said hordies got so frustrated with the constant stunning they literally jumped off the side of the world-tree rather than face either the rogue or the guards that would inevatably be in Darnasus proper (though lord knows how they got past 'em in the first placeā€¦) Thatā€™s easy. Zone in the portal like the Alliance do, then run like hell. Well no, itā€™s not actually easy. Not that Iā€™m bitter about the Alliance NElves getting all protected like that or how tough it is as a Horde to get the Explorer achievement as a result, oh noā€¦ A year or two ago, my level 16 tauren hunter went on a quest to get herself an owl pet. Teldrassil is/was the only spot with owls that low level. A naked run and six deaths later, she had an owl who loved the Horde, and an awesome bragging rights pet. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2258 "2009-06-22T18:45:37Z")
> [@twilly80](#): > > I will PVP you for 500g! If this is a self-deprecating joke, Iā€™m beginning to like you, **twilly**. If itā€™s notā€¦scratch that sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2259 "2009-06-22T18:46:26Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I have reached the conclusion that, unless/until I have PvP gear, there is absolutely no point in attempting to ā€œdefendā€ a capital city against opposing-faction invaders. The only times I get involved are when thereā€™s a whole bunch of people involved. I watch the general melee, and when an opposing faction player is fairly badly hurt, Iā€™ll leap in with max DPS and finish him off. When someone new joins the fight, Iā€™ll polymorph him to keep him out of the way for a while. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > We use Master Looter with the threshold set at blue items. Greens go to whoever picks 'em up. Blues go into the gbank. Epics are distributed by a loot council system. How do you put blues in the guild bank? Arenā€™t most of them BoP? We usually discuss the blues, and if nobody on the run can use them, we have an enchanter DE them. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2260 "2009-06-22T18:56:36Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Epics are distributed by a loot council system. The GL/RL, officers, and some other experienced raiders are all in a loot council channel during runs; when an epic drops, anyone who wants it links their current item (i.e., what theyā€™d be upgrading from), and the council discusses who to award the item to. We prioritize main spec over off, mains over alts, and generally healers/tanks over DPS. Other factors include attendance, effort (in terms of researching fights instead of waiting to have it explained to you, running heroics to get all other upgrades you can instead of showing up in greens, etc.), being prepared, not dying to stupid stuff, and how much other loot youā€™ve gotten recently. Why not memorialize your standards in a DKP system? My old guild used to have a DKP council that awarded bonus DKP for good play (tanks, and healers tended to get a lot of this, tradeskillers sometimes got bonus DKP for outfitting the guild with stuff), who could benefit the guild most by using it. The biggest problem with my old guild DKP system was that the GM was the main tank and the discretionary DKP bonuses basically meant he got every upgrade he ever wanted and we only farmed long enough to start raiding content that would provide upgrades for the tank/GM. We all put up with it because the GM treated his GM duties like a full time job and we shot past other progression guilds, then we split up when the GM started telling people to reroll to optimize guild composition (oddly he never had to reroll and none of his best friends ever had to reroll). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=112) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=114)