# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 115
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2281 "2009-06-22T21:35:47Z")
> [@Darwins\_Finch](#): > > Not really - it scales up like the other Tauren mounts do. So you basically wind up with a really big bird instead of a normal sized one. Ah, okay, I didn’t realize mounts scaled up for tauren. I played a tauren for a while, but he only ever rode a kodo. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2282 "2009-06-22T21:36:07Z")
> [@twilly80](#): > > Wasn’t she the red head in the Spice Girls? She was blonde I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2283 "2009-06-22T21:55:21Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Because a DKP system is just an attempt to artifically recreate what a good loot council does. DKP is better than loot council \*only \*when you can’t trust your council to hand the items over to the characters who will best use them to advance the raid, so you need to have a point-based system to put it all on paper so that no one can exploit it or bitch about it. > > If you’ve got mature raiders and knowledgeable loot council members, the council is \*always \*going to be best option for progressing the raid as a whole. It depends. There were some serious questions of equity. Sure it progresses a raid faster but how fair is it that almost half the drops go to the top 2 or 3 tanks and the healing squad for weeks and weeks after you start new content (and I’m a healer, and therefore a beneficiary of this sort of policy). Sure it progresses your to new content faster but that just means that you have another month or two when only the tanks and healers seem to be getting stuff. The only time we seemed to farm content for the DPS crowd was when lack of DPS was causing a bottleneck or when we didn’t have enough people to raid the new content. How do you keep the DPS crowd motivated when all they get are the tank/healer hand me downs? It got to the point that the only fully geared DPS we had were either officers or personal friends of the GM. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2284 "2009-06-22T21:55:28Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > She was blonde I believe. Yeah, I think she was the youngest-looking one, with blond hair and pigtails. Question: What is the difference between an enemy player, whose PvP flag is flying, with his/her name appearing in yellow text and one whose name appears red? I’ve always seen enemies with yellow names to indicate their PvP status, but as I was galloping toward Splintertree Post in Ashenvale I was passed by a lvl 70 undead mage going the opposite direction, obviously headed for Astranaar. I extinguished the flame at Splintertree and headed back to Astranaar, where I finally caught up with the guy (yay Crusader Aura!), and his name was lit up in red. (I didn’t bother attacking him, though I may have actually _won_ that fight …) ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2285 "2009-06-22T21:57:46Z")
Oh, and what on earth does “DKP” mean? ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2286 "2009-06-22T22:00:37Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Question: What is the difference between an enemy player, whose PvP flag is flying, with his/her name appearing in yellow text and one whose name appears red? I’ve always seen enemies with yellow names to indicate their PvP status, but as I was galloping toward Splintertree Post in Ashenvale I was passed by a lvl 70 undead mage going the opposite direction, obviously headed for Astranaar. I extinguished the flame at Splintertree and headed back to Astranaar, where I finally caught up with the guy (yay Crusader Aura!), and his name was lit up in red. (I didn’t bother attacking him, though I may have actually _won_ that fight …) At least with my unit frames Yellow is if they are flagged and I am not. Red is when we are both flagged. DKP is “Dragon/Dungeon Kill Points”. Its a system used for distributing loot with a goal of rewarding players who have killed many bosses without getting anything. Generally as you kill things or clear raids you get more points awarded to you (also for things like being on time or contributing to the guild). Then when something drops you want you “bid” on it and consume some of your points. If you have more points than the other bidders you get the item (and your points are reduced). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2287 "2009-06-22T22:14:20Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > I need to help my wife get a Choppa. Not for a good reason, mind you, but so I can use her toon to drag low level alts around to Fire Festival quests. One of the mamoths that carry two would be better, I could power level using my friend account that way :), but she wants to be a cow on a motorcycle, and who am I to argue? I’d point out that the mammoth can carry two passengers, and has vendors, and is cheaper to buy than the bike is to make. 😃 > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Sigh. Wouldn’t you know it? Cooking is the one secondary profession that I didn’t take at low levels. Now I’m lvl 80 and took Apprentice Cooking, but I haven’t had time to level it up yet There are guides out there for leveling Cooking and Fishing together–sounds like you already have the Fishing part, but you could still fish up what you need. > [@](#): > > **SFG** mentioned the 3-second cast time for mounts adding up after a while, and I guess that’s part of what bugs me about people doing this. They’re either completely oblivious, or they feel that their time is more important than mine, so they save their 3 seconds at the expense of forcing _me_ to either wait for them to finish and move away, or spending time fooling with my camera angles. It takes less time to click past someone on a flyer to the quest NPC than it does for that person to mount up again. So, one could make the same argument that you feel it’s more important for them to take extra time to dismount and re-mount than for you to move your mouse around a little bit or pop up the NPC’s health bar. > [@Bosstone](#): > > This reminds me. I got my Draenei up to Ambassador status a couple of weeks ago, purely so that he could get a Mechanostrider. Is the scaling as weird for Draenei as it is for Night Elves? I know that when I put my Nelf on one of her striders and park it next to a Gnome on one, the Gnome’s strider is bigger. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > **SFG**!!! > > Gratz on winning the fishing tournament!🙂 > > **I** can make my toon jump to the top tier of the fountain in **Moonbrook**!!! (read that like I’m a a little kid trying to top your winning the tournament, and smile, please! Thanks! And hey, fountain-jumping is nothing to sniff at–I know I was excited the first time I made it to the top of the one in Stormwind! 😃 > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > It depends. There were some serious questions of equity. Sure it progresses a raid faster but how fair is it that almost half the drops go to the top 2 or 3 tanks and the healing squad for weeks and weeks after you start new content (and I’m a healer, and therefore a beneficiary of this sort of policy). Sure it progresses your to new content faster but that just means that you have another month or two when only the tanks and healers seem to be getting stuff. > > The only time we seemed to farm content for the DPS crowd was when lack of DPS was causing a bottleneck or when we didn’t have enough people to raid the new content. How do you keep the DPS crowd motivated when all they get are the tank/healer hand me downs? It got to the point that the only fully geared DPS we had were either officers or personal friends of the GM. Yeah, and you had that problem with \*your \*DKP system, not \*my \*loot council. If you look back at what I wrote, I said that we \*generally \*prioritize healers and tanks over DPS (not that we always do), and that we \*also \*factor in how much loot someone’s gotten recently. 1.) Tanks vs. DPS tends not to be an issue for us, 'cause we don’t have any Feral tanks. All the tanking plate is clearly for tanks, so DPS isn’t even rolling on it except in off-spec situations where none of the tanks need it as an upgrade. 2.) Healer vs. DPS is a little more of a gray area, especially since Spirit isn’t strictly a healer stat anymore, but again, we \*do \*factor in how many pieces a person has gotten. But often, there are going to be pieces that will work best for a particular spec and/or class, so it’s generally noticable when an item is intended to be a “healer” or “DPS” caster piece. Our rules could be loosely phrased as, “Whoever will get the most benefit from the upgrade to help the raid as a whole progress, while also rewarding skill and good effort.” > [@Jas09](#): > > DKP is “Dragon/Dungeon Kill Points”. Its a system used for distributing loot with a goal of rewarding players who have killed many bosses without getting anything. Generally as you kill things or clear raids you get more points awarded to you (also for things like being on time or contributing to the guild). Then when something drops you want you “bid” on it and consume some of your points. If you have more points than the other bidders you get the item (and your points are reduced). Bidding is just one way of using DKP–other systems involve fixed costs, percentages, or ratios. The basic idea of DKP is it’s a way of “paying” people for their raid efforts with points that will then in some way be exchanged for new gear. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2288 "2009-06-22T22:16:22Z")
Oh, and: > [@Jas09](#): > > At least with my unit frames Yellow is if they are flagged and I am not. Red is when we are both flagged. Think of it as working the same way as a mob. Yellow = This can’t attack me unless I attack it first. Red = Keep your distance unless you want to get into a fight. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2289 "2009-06-22T22:29:12Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I’d point out that the mammoth can carry two passengers, and has vendors, and is cheaper to buy than the bike is to make. 😃 Actually there are two two-passenger mammoths. There’s one you can buy if you’re exalted with the Sons of Hodir, which costs 8,000 gold and carries two passengers (three characters total including the “driver”) but has no vendors, and one you can buy from Mei Francis in Dalaran, which costs 20,000 gold (minus rep bonus? not sure), carries two passengers, and has two vendors. Not sure if the one that drops in the Archavon raid allows passengers, but I’m almost certain it has no vendors. I got the Hodir one, which I used to haul around my two Refer-a-Friend characters (yes, three accounts–I have no life) and power level them. It was very convenient. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2290 "2009-06-22T23:25:05Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > At least with my unit frames Yellow is if they are flagged and I am not. Red is when we are both flagged. Okay, so it’s basically, Yellow = I can attack this, Red = This can attack me > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > There are guides out there for leveling Cooking and Fishing together–sounds like you already have the Fishing part, but you could still fish up what you need. Yeah, I was planning to look for a guide to save some time 🙂 > [@](#): > > It takes less time to click past someone on a flyer to the quest NPC than it does for that person to mount up again. So, one could make the same argument that you feel it’s more important for them to take extra time to dismount and re-mount than for you to move your mouse around a little bit or pop up the NPC’s health bar. How does one “click past someone on a flyer” when said flyer is completely covering both the NPC and me? By the time I’ve moved my mouse around, discovered the NPC is completely obscured, and resorted to activating the NPCs health bar, it’s taken me more than 3 seconds. How about those people in Dalaran who seem to think the best way to approach Marcia Chase is to ride their mounts directly in front of all the people trying to fish from the fountain, preventing them from seeing and clicking on their bobbers? They’ve now put their 3-second mount summoning savings ahead of the 15 or so seconds that several other people may have been waiting for a bite. I saw lots of fountain-fishers who would just stand there not even bothering to cast until the person moved their mount out of the way. More time lost to save one person 3 seconds. I guess my objection is that I see it as a lack of consideration. I _attempt_ to be considerate of other people in-game, just as I would in real life, and I get a little annoyed, both in-game and in real life, when other people don’t show the same consideration. Of course, in real life there are often consequences to a lack of consideration (for example, road rage and traffic accidents caused by drivers whose need to get where they’re going is somehow more important than others’ need that they cut other drivers off, drive too fast, roll through stop signs, etc.) to keep most people in “be polite” mode, but there really aren’t any in-game consequences and so it goes out the window. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2291 "2009-06-22T23:32:52Z")
> [@Telperien](#): > > You wouldn’t happen to have a screenshot of this, would you? I tried to put together a video, because it’s really the animation that does it for me, but couldn’t find a program for Linux that was quick and easy. So here’s a quick [collage](http://members.cox.net/bosstone/robotchicken.jpg), with my Draenei dismounted for comparison. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2292 "2009-06-22T23:38:09Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I tried to put together a video, because it’s really the animation that does it for me, but couldn’t find a program for Linux that was quick and easy. So here’s a quick [collage](http://members.cox.net/bosstone/robotchicken.jpg), with my Draenei dismounted for comparison. _snorfle_ Thanks for the giggle. You are right, I could giggle at that all day. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2293 "2009-06-22T23:38:34Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Is the scaling as weird for Draenei as it is for Night Elves? I know that when I put my Nelf on one of her striders and park it next to a Gnome on one, the Gnome’s strider is bigger. It’s not the draenei and nelfs that are the problem, it’s the gnomes’ scaling that is weird. What I’ve heard is that the original gnome models were too small so they had to scale them up, with the result that any mount a gnome is on also get bigger. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2294 "2009-06-22T23:44:37Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I tried to put together a video, because it’s really the animation that does it for me, but couldn’t find a program for Linux that was quick and easy. So here’s a quick [collage](http://members.cox.net/bosstone/robotchicken.jpg), with my Draenei dismounted for comparison. _snerk!_ Side note: What’s the HUD shown in the screenshots? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2295 "2009-06-23T00:15:24Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > _snerk!_ > > Side note: What’s the HUD shown in the screenshots? IceHUD. It’s not a bad tool, although I’m thinking about looking for a new one. IceHUD puts your health and mana on either side, as you see in the screen there, and it puts your target’s health and mana next to yours. Result is it’s difficult to tell whose is whose. I need a HUD that will put all my info on one side and all my target’s info on another. nUI looks good, but I’m apprehensive about downloading a full-blown UI replacement just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2296 "2009-06-23T01:04:41Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I tried to put together a video, because it’s really the animation that does it for me, but couldn’t find a program for Linux that was quick and easy. So here’s a quick [collage](http://members.cox.net/bosstone/robotchicken.jpg), with my Draenei dismounted for comparison. You don’t happen to play on Lightbringer, do you? Cuz the draenei in your screenshots looks an awful lot like the draenei-on-a-chicken I encountered yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2297 "2009-06-23T01:28:00Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > You don’t happen to play on Lightbringer, do you? Cuz the draenei in your screenshots looks an awful lot like the draenei-on-a-chicken I encountered yesterday. Nah, my mains are on Cenarius. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2298 "2009-06-23T03:40:50Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > IceHUD. It’s not a bad tool, although I’m thinking about looking for a new one. IceHUD puts your health and mana on either side, as you see in the screen there, and it puts your target’s health and mana next to yours. Result is it’s difficult to tell whose is whose. I need a HUD that will put all my info on one side and all my target’s info on another. You can make IceHUD do that. Just go into the options and play around to move the target’s stuff to the right side. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2299 "2009-06-23T03:50:20Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > You can make IceHUD do that. Just go into the options and play around to move the target’s stuff to the right side. I looked! Honest. Perhaps I missed it. I do that even when I’m specifically looking closely at everything, I’ll skip over the one item I need. I didn’t see anything for changing which side the bars appear on, though. Either way, I’ve already uninstalled it and put in [nUI](http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9108-nUI.html), which I haven’t played with much so far but looks pretty neat. Since I expect to be raiding eventually, I’ve been looking into addons that organize raiding info more neatly than the default UI. That it comes with mid-screen bars set up how I’d like them is a bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2300 "2009-06-23T03:56:17Z")
Okay Blizzard, you have _got_ to be kidding me. After my nelf druid died for the fifth time attempting to do that “The Tower of Althalaxx” quest in Ashenvale, I gave up and let the spirit healer at the Shrine of Aessina rez me. And what do you know, there’s a freakin’ wolf and a giant spider _right there in the freakin’ graveyard that aggro’d on me the instant I rezzed_! Gaaaaaaaaaaaah! And of course, thanks to the way Blizz doesn’t want people using their ghost to scout ahead, there was no way to know those things were there _before_ I rezzed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=114) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=116)