# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2301 "2009-06-23T12:59:37Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I tried to put together a video, because it’s really the animation that does it for me, but couldn’t find a program for Linux that was quick and easy. So here’s a quick [collage](http://members.cox.net/bosstone/robotchicken.jpg), with my Draenei dismounted for comparison. That is hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2302 "2009-06-23T13:31:21Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I tried to put together a video, because it’s really the animation that does it for me, but couldn’t find a program for Linux that was quick and easy. So here’s a quick [collage](http://members.cox.net/bosstone/robotchicken.jpg), with my Draenei dismounted for comparison. I’ve always wanted one of those. I really wish there were more droppable Alli style mounts. AFAIK, the only ones are the tiger mount in ZG and the Brewfest Ram, compated to horde which has undead horses from 3 places, the raptor in ZG, the Brewfest kodo, and the chicken in MgT. Going in the opposite direction, my pally’s main mount is her black war kodo. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2303 "2009-06-23T14:41:24Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > I’ve always wanted one of those. I really wish there were more droppable Alli style mounts. AFAIK, the only ones are the tiger mount in ZG and the Brewfest Ram, compated to horde which has undead horses from 3 places, the raptor in ZG, the Brewfest kodo, and the chicken in MgT. While I don’t think the Cenarion Expo hippogryph exactly replicates the Ally griffin, it’s a pretty alliance-style mount. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2304 "2009-06-23T14:48:40Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > It was master looted. We always master loot, greens get DEed for the gbank, blues get sold, rolled for, or DEed, and epics follow whatever loot rules we have (offical raids are DKP+rank based, the alt run is roll based, but someone who hasn’t gotten a mainspec piece has priority over someone who hasn’t (KT is open rolling to keep people from “saving” their rolls)). Since the starting loot rules said open rolls for everything but glaives, and the rogue had the highest roll… That sounds like the way we do it. Dependingon the run, it could be DKP, master loot, pass and jabber, depending. But, you still have to make pleasing offerings to the loot gods too. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2305 "2009-06-23T14:54:02Z")
I need to use my alts since it’s Midsummer. That bonus XP you get for dancing around the pole would help both of them a lot since they’re still fairly low-level. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2306 "2009-06-23T14:54:50Z")
> [@InvisibleWombat](#): > > The only times I get involved are when there’s a whole bunch of people involved. I watch the general melee, and when an opposing faction player is fairly badly hurt, I’ll leap in with max DPS and finish him off. When someone new joins the fight, I’ll polymorph him to keep him out of the way for a while. > > How do you put blues in the guild bank? Aren’t most of them BoP? > > We usually discuss the blues, and if nobody on the run can use them, we have an enchanter DE them. I don’t wait. I just jump in. Quite often, I get spanked, and most of the time it’s people I know. I defend Orgrimmar from my Alliance guildies, and I defend Iroforge or Stormwind from my Horde guildies. Then we laugh about it. It’s all in fun. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2307 "2009-06-23T15:01:12Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Sigh. Wouldn’t you know it? Cooking is the one secondary profession that I didn’t take at low levels. Now I’m lvl 80 and took Apprentice Cooking, but I haven’t had time to level it up yet ☹ You want to level up cooking. I have one cook Alliance side and one cook Horde side. It’s just a practical thing to have. You get meat off the beasts you will be killing anywy, and the food will heal you, restore mana, or give you buffs. Some of my toons lived off warpbugers (nice buff) and blackened basilisk (another nice buff) all throu the level 70-80. Different foods do different things. It’s worth getting. Even if you never max out to 450. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2308 "2009-06-23T15:25:15Z")
Man, did I get screwed last night by Blizzard. They were hotfixing the Midsummer event last night, so when I turned in the last 2 tokens from the major cities I didn’t get the followup quest ☹ A guildie did the same about 15 minutes later and it worked for him. It was shortly after the no quest, that some of the fires that I did last year became active again. So it was during that time that the hotfix occurred. I guess I have to redo the city runs which really sucks because now that people are finishing the events they are camping the fires ☹ Still not sure which 2 I need to redo though which means I will have to redo all 4. Really sucks due to my bad timing. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2309 "2009-06-23T15:28:20Z")
I’m already getting tired of the event, solely because of the FWOOSH. After getting FWOOSHED constantly while running around Durotar, it’s begun to grate on me. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2310 "2009-06-23T15:31:37Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I’m already getting tired of the event, solely because of the FWOOSH. After getting FWOOSHED constantly while running around Durotar, it’s begun to grate on me. Oh, yes. I am also heartily tired of loping somewhere on my nightsaber, when the FWOOSH suddenly occurs and my nelf waves her arms like a madwoman. It was very funny the first couple of times, but not anymore. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2311 "2009-06-23T15:38:52Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > Man, did I get screwed last night by Blizzard. They were hotfixing the Midsummer event last night, so when I turned in the last 2 tokens from the major cities I didn’t get the followup quest ☹ > A guildie did the same about 15 minutes later and it worked for him. It was shortly after the no quest, that some of the fires that I did last year became active again. So it was during that time that the hotfix occurred. > I guess I have to redo the city runs which really sucks because now that people are finishing the events they are camping the fires ☹ Still not sure which 2 I need to redo though which means I will have to redo all 4. Really sucks due to my bad timing. What’s funny about that is that I somehow ended up turning in “A Thief’s Reward” again and getting a second halo. I have no idea HOW it happened, since I hadn’t gone through and stolen the fires again, but I clicked on the Loremaster in Ironforge because he had the quest mark over him again, and it said, in the turn-in section of the dialogue: “A Thief’s Reward”. I just thought…didn’t I do this already? and clicked on it, and got the crown again. Weird. Too bad it’s BoP. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2312 "2009-06-23T15:58:08Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Oh, and what on earth does “DKP” mean? Dragon Kill Points. It is a form of guild currency that you accumulate during raids 9and sometimes other stuff and you use for raid drops (and sometimes other stuff). > **[Dragon kill points](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_kill_points)** > > Dragon kill points (DKP) are a semi-formal score-keeping system (loot system) used by guilds in massively multiplayer online games. Players in these games are faced with large scale challenges, or raids, which may only be surmounted through the concerted effort of dozens of players at a time. While many players may be involved in defeating a boss, the boss will reward the group with only a small number of items desired by the players. Faced with this scarcity, some system of fairly distributin... It provides an objective method of equitably distributing raid loot. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2313 "2009-06-23T16:13:09Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > and one you can buy from Mei Francis in Dalaran, which costs 20,000 gold (minus rep bonus? not sure) Yes, the Tundra Traveler’s Mammoth (I think it’s called) benefits from Kirin Tor rep discounts (20% at exalted, which drops it to a “mere” 16k gold). > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > How does one “click past someone on a flyer” when said flyer is completely covering both the NPC and me? That’s why I agreed that people who park their mounts, flying or otherwise, directly on top of NPCs are rude. But you seemed to be objecting to \*anyone \*who didn’t dismount to turn their quest in–not just people who were completely on top of the NPC. > [@Bosstone](#): > > IceHUD puts your health and mana on either side, as you see in the screen there, and it puts your target’s health and mana next to yours. Result is it’s difficult to tell whose is whose. You realize that your HP and Mana/Rage/Energy/Runic Power are always on the \*inside \*and your target’s are always on the _outside_, right? Personally, I never have a problem telling which is which. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > And of course, thanks to the way Blizz doesn’t want people using their ghost to scout ahead, there was no way to know those things were there _before_ I rezzed. You can \*definitely \*see mobs that are close to your corpse before you rez; are you sure you can’t see ones by the Spirit Healer, too? > [@Redwing](#): > > AFAIK, the only ones are the tiger mount in ZG and the Brewfest Ram, compated to horde which has undead horses from 3 places, the raptor in ZG, the Brewfest kodo, and the chicken in MgT. Since when are there three Undead mounts available to the Alliance? The only one I know of is the drop off of Rivendare in Strat. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2314 "2009-06-23T16:16:49Z")
**Bosstone** : It may help to make your bars thicker, too. I just looked at your collage, and you have your bars set to be a lot more narrow than [I have mine](http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3406/wowscrnshot042509214113.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2315 "2009-06-23T16:21:17Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Since when are there three Undead mounts available to the Alliance? The only one I know of is the drop off of Rivendare in Strat. The Death Knight mount? (And the Warlock one, maybe? Haven’t looked at it too closely.) Not exactly available to everyone, but… ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2316 "2009-06-23T16:21:38Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > You realize that your HP and Mana/Rage/Energy/Runic Power are always on the \*inside \*and your target’s are always on the _outside_, right? Personally, I never have a problem telling which is which. I do realize that, but I still prefer to have my info in one area and the target’s in another area. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2317 "2009-06-23T16:42:43Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > The Death Knight mount? (And the Warlock one, maybe? Haven’t looked at it too closely.) Not exactly available to everyone, but… Not the Warlock one, but if the Death Knight ground mount and flyer count as two, then that’s three. Plus if you’re REALLY good at PvP, you could have gotten the Frostwyrm mount (that thing is gorgeous–there are only two of them on our server and one was owed by a guildie of mine who subsequently quit the game and sold his account–such as waste!) ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2318 "2009-06-23T17:30:53Z")
I haven’t tried this yet, but has anyone used [The Fire Extinguisher](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41755) for putting out the fires in the cities? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2319 "2009-06-23T17:31:12Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > That’s why I agreed that people who park their mounts, flying or otherwise, directly on top of NPCs are rude. But you seemed to be objecting to \*anyone \*who didn’t dismount to turn their quest in–not just people who were completely on top of the NPC. Nope, I was specifically referring to large flyers, (or any exceptionally large mount, like a mammoth) which is why in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11267353&postcount=2243) I said, “If you’re on a flying dragon mount, it’s impossible to get close enough to click the NPC without getting your mount right on top of the NPC.” If you land so that the NPC is to your left or right, you might be able to get close enough without covering the NPC, but in the case of the Flame Wardens, they’re all under an awning so you pretty much have to approach them from the front. Even I don’t _always_ dismount - if I’m riding up on my horse, or even on my bird, and I can see that there are no other players anywhere nearby, I’ll go ahead and remain mounted. But if there is another player talking to or approaching the NPC, I always dismount regardless of what I’m riding. > [@](#): > > You can \*definitely \*see mobs that are close to your corpse before you rez; are you sure you can’t see ones by the Spirit Healer, too? You can see the ones near your corpse because you already saw them while you were still alive. But the game doesn’t let you see mobs while you’re in ghost/wisp form that you haven’t already seen while you were alive. My best guess about the “why” of this is they realized that, otherwise, people would get themselves killed on purpose and then use their ghost/wisp to safely scout ahead to see where all the upcoming mobs are. It wasn’t until after I was killed in the graveyard and I now had a corpse lying right there that I could see the nearby mobs. That’s when I also discovered that the only path out of the graveyard was thick with giant spiders. Those spiders weren’t close enough to attack me when I rezzed, but they made it impossible to do a quick rez/run. I posted a more detailed description of the problem (including a screenshot) over on the Blizz Bug Reports forum: > **[World of Warcraft Forums](https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/?topicId=18031233741&sid=1)** I don’t know if it’s really a “bug” per se, but I didn’t see another more appropriate forum to put it in. On another note, I finished up all the flames in Kalimdor yesterday. That was … tedious. The Stonetalon Mountains/Barrens/Durotar/Mulgore area made for a whole lot of riding for very long stretches. Even with my pally’s Crusader Aura active it took a _very_ long time. I could have shortened it up a bit if I had only remembered the FP in Ratchet. When I got to Dustwallow Marsh I was once again able to fly; from DM I flew to Desolace, then to Feralas. Finished in Feralas I rode straight through into Thousand Needles, hit the Freewind Post fire, continued on to Tanaris and hit the fires there, then flew to Silithus for the last two. I had a WTF? moment when I arrived in Stonetalon Mountains. There was a level 80 draenei shaman there, sitting on an absolutely gorgeous, blue, giant falcon/hawk/eagle/whatever. I wondered how they had summoned a flying mount in “old world”, so I asked what kind of mount it was. Turned out is was one that is dropped in Setthek (sp?) Halls, and that no, it doesn’t fly. ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2320 "2009-06-23T17:37:28Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > There was a level 80 draenei shaman there, sitting on an absolutely gorgeous, blue, giant falcon/hawk/eagle/whatever. I wondered how they had summoned a flying mount in “old world”, so I asked what kind of mount it was. Turned out is was one that is dropped in Setthek (sp?) Halls, and that no, it doesn’t fly. Raven, actually. Specifically, the [Reins of the Raven Lord](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32768), which drops off the summoned boss, Anzu. He can only be summoned by a druid who has completed the epic flight form quest, and only in heroic mode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=115) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=117)