# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 118
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2341 "2009-06-24T08:38:13Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > It _nearly_ fell apart when one of the Priests and the Paladin started arguing over whether Retribution could tank. I made a few halfhearted comments about how Ret can tank when overleveled but can’t at level, but otherwise I was just mentally shouting at the Priest “Shut up or he’ll take his Consecration and go home!” The Pally was a good sport, though, and we finished up the instance with everyone getting what they wanted. They were arguing about this ? At level 12? 😕:eek: Did the priest seriously argue that the paladin couldn’t tank if he didn’t spend all of his 3(!) talent points in the protection tree? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2342 "2009-06-24T11:55:49Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > So I finally did my first instance PUG. I decided I wanted to do the two Orgrimmar quests that lead into Ragefire Chasm (there’s a few Thunder bluff quests I didn’t bother with) There’s also an Undercity quest that you get from Verimathras in the throne room, to retrieve two books. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2343 "2009-06-24T13:12:35Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > They were arguing about this ? At level 12? 😕:eek: > Did the priest seriously argue that the paladin couldn’t tank if he didn’t spend all of his 3(!) talent points in the protection tree? The Pally was 23, not 13. I think they were arguing about it in a more general sense, but yeah, they were taking RFC pretty seriously. We only wiped once at the end, after two people had left the party, so it clearly wasn’t that big an issue. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2344 "2009-06-24T15:12:33Z")
> [@Darwins\_Finch](#): > > Cycloning the MT when the enemy is on your general is also great fun. I’ve wiped entire offenses by doing that 😃 > I got my Midsummer stuff done in about 2.5 hours yesterday - largely because I’d done most of it already. I purchased the complete outfit (and the pet) last year, so didn’t need to do much. I missed two fires last year for the various fire achievements, which I picked up easy; did the pole dance, did the juggling, and then had to wait about an hour or so for an Ahune group; I hadn’t done him before, so didn’t want to waste my summon in case I couldn’t solo him. After seeing how the fight goes, I think I can probably solo him, though. > > Up to 80 pets so far. Ahune’s would be 81, if I can manage to actually get it… We have another evil fun person! The good ideas just keep coming 😃 I downed Ahune yesterday on my mage, and it gave me a chance to play with fire again. I finally dual specced into it. I’ve always been a “frost player”, but for raid bosses and the immunities, it just didn’t do the job (shatter combos need to have crits and Fingers of Frost etc up). So, I will be using good old frost for solo play, questing and farming, and will use fire for instances and raids. I tried to two-man Ahune on my feral druid, teaming up with an arcane mage and we almost did it. It was one of those fights where you only need one or two more hits (yes it was that close). We are going back tonight for a rematch. I’ve been “working” the Flame Keeper activity, and when that’s done I need to go back over the toons and see which ones already did the Thiefs Reward (steal the fires). > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Ah, okay, I didn’t realize mounts scaled up for tauren. I played a tauren for a while, but he only ever rode a kodo. Yes they scale. Whenever my tauren goes to Undercity, he has to dismount to get on the elevator. Try using one of those giant strength potions (whatever they are). You get even bigger 😃 > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Bidding is just one way of using DKP–other systems involve fixed costs, percentages, or ratios. The basic idea of DKP is it’s a way of “paying” people for their raid efforts with points that will then in some way be exchanged for new gear. That is how my guild handles it, when we do use DKP. You “earn” your DKP, and when an item drops that you want, you have the option of bidding on it. I’m a casual and am an alternate raider (as opposed to the regulars). So, I just let the DKP sit in the bank so to speak. If THE item ever drops, I will be ready 😉 > [@Bosstone](#): > > It nearly fell apart when one of the Priests and the Paladin started arguing over whether Retribution could tank. I made a few halfhearted comments about how Ret can tank when overleveled but can’t at level, but otherwise I was just mentally shouting at the Priest “Shut up or he’ll take his Consecration and go home!” Now that is just dumb. At the low levels like that, you really have NO spec yet. No one has enough talent points. At the mid levels, spec matters more, but you can still fill an “offspec” function. Where the spec matters, where the spec has to be correct and has to be the right one, is at EndGame. Blizzard deliberately set low level dungeons to be more forgiving. In RFC, at the appropriate levels, you have no spec to speak of. Even at level 23, that paladin had no spec yet (not really), and that priest was just an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2345 "2009-06-24T15:14:10Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) The DK and Warlock horses are more like Demon horses than Undead ones–they’re nothing like the models for the Undead racial ones. Hmm. You’re right. For some reason I thought they had the exposed bone thing going on as well as the glowing hooves. So it’s 1 undead horse (Baron), 1 belf chicken (Kael in mgt), 1 tauren kodo (Brewfest), and 1 troll raptor(ZG) for four horde drops. Still twice as many horde mounts as alliance mounts. > [@](#): > > 1.) We don’t have to know every piece of gear everyone in the raid has–as I’ve already mentioned, when we’re awarding an item, everyone who is interested _links their current item_. We can then do a quick comparison and vote (often with comments) on who we think deserves the item. > > 2.) I’m not sure where “the council has to want progression more than anything else” is coming from… Is there something people want other than progression? Do we want to start wiping on content we put on farm a month ago? Or are you saying progression versus handing the items to whoever kissed our asses the most this week? > > 3.) Our guild doesn’t allow drama, and this includes loot. People seldom whine about upgrades they didn’t get–when they do, the issue is addressed if it’s legitimate, or they get talked to about the whining if it’s not. Everybody can see who else is interested in an item, everybody can see what item everyone else wants to upgrade from, and everybody can see who the item gets looted to. > > 4.) We are by no means a “6 raid days a week world top 100 type guild.” Our raiders are what I’d probably call “medium-core,” though we are ranked very high on our server in terms of progression, simply because it’s such a new server. I think were about the same time spent, IIRC :). I’m sure your server standing has more to do with quality people than the age of the server (SH is an orginal server, and we’re still 3rd horde on it, which always suprises me). Gear doesn’t exist in a vacuum, so a tier token that’s on the surface a minor upgrade for one guy and a massive one for someone else, may actually be bigger for the first guy when you factor in set bonuses, stats being geared for, and synergies with everything else they’re wearing. For me at least, tier8 is okay, but there’s better gear, until you get your 4pc, and getting the fifth piece may allow me to swap out a different piece of tier gear for something better, even though the fifth tier piece is actually worse than what I’m wearing in that slot. Being able to do this is what makes a loot council effective, but it means that the council as a whole has to be able to theroycraft for each class, and know the capabilites of all the players. The thing about the council having to want progression more than anything means they have to set aside the gearing of friends/favorites/self and make sure that every single piece of loot goes to where the raid will get the most out of it in the next fight. And they have to want to spend the time going through each piece. Having no drama rules is nice, but that only allows you to kick people who cause drama, which can cause drama. It doesn’t prevent drama. Then again, our GMs are subtle SoBs who can and will manage drama and personalities fairly well. > [@](#): > > Yes, that would definitely be a situation where a loot council wouldn’t work well. \*If \*you’ve got a trustworthy and knowledgable loot council, and \*if \*you’ve got a dedicated, drama-free raiding core, then loot council is going to beat any DKP system, hands-down. And we’re lucky enough to have that in my guild. But it doesn’t have anything to do with being “hardcore” or not. (Believe me, if we were a hardcore raiding guild, there are people I’d love to boot for constantly showing up without having a fucking clue what’s going on.) Not having a clue does get people kicked from our raids, even officers and core raiders will be asked to step out for an evening if they fuck up consistently. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2346 "2009-06-24T15:20:31Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The Pally was 23, not 13. I think they were arguing about it in a more general sense, but yeah, they were taking RFC pretty seriously. We only wiped once at the end, after two people had left the party, so it clearly wasn’t that big an issue. Yeah, it’s kind of ludicrous to argue that a level 23 pally, whatever spec, isn’t qualified to tank RFC, what with out-levelling every monster in the instance by at least 7 IIRC. Heck, a level 23 rogue could probably tank RFC. (I have been in a group that successfully ran the instance with a voidwalker tanking). ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2347 "2009-06-24T15:59:48Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Yes they scale. Whenever my tauren goes to Undercity, he has to dismount to get on the elevator. Try using one of those giant strength potions (whatever they are). You get even bigger 😃 For some real Gigantor fun: 1. Drink a Giant Strength potion 2. Eat a Giant Feast 3. visit the witch doctor at Sen’Jin Village, and get the “make me bigger” hex (have to do this last, then port to the city of your choice, since the effects are short-lived) I’ve seen Tauren that towered over the Orgrimmar bank after doing that 🆒 I wonder if they’d even fit entirely within Undercity… ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2348 "2009-06-24T16:17:59Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Y’all are misunderstanding **Rik** ’s problem, AFAICT. He didn’t run back to his corpse - he rezzed at the spirit healer. There happened to be mobs in the graveyard that he couldn’t see (because his corpse wasn’t there). These mobs pwned him, so he got to rez again. In addition to the already-mentioned fact that we were discussing the misconception about what mobs you can see after death… I’m not so sure you can’t see mobs around the graveyard. I think it would make sense to be able to see mobs in the radius of where you can rez, not just of your corpse. I’ll have to test this out, though. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > The difficulty in doing the quest as a druid is that all of the mobs around the perimeter are warlocks with voidwalker or imp minions. [snip] Which is one of the reasons I get so frustrated trying to play casters - I hate being so effing helpless when confronted with more than one mob at a time. If you’re fighting a Warlock with a Voidwalker: Root the VW, kill the Lock, kill the VW. If you’re fighting a Warlock with an Imp: Root the Lock at max range, run out, kill the Imp as it follows you, kill the Lock. The problem with playing casters after playing melee, especially plate-wearing melee, is that they require very different strategies. You have to make sure you use your full arsenal of CCs, roots, snares, etc. You can’t just let everything hammer on you while you take it down one at a time. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I thought I’d just sit back and watch, but because I had him selected, as soon as his HP dropped to 20% the words "\ flashed on my screen. And purely out of reflex I hit my hotkey for HoW, and down he went. BWAHAHAHAHAHA. That’s absolutely hilarious. > [@Bosstone](#): > > One side WTF: the only piece of loot I rolled on was the [Cursed Felblade](http://www.wowwiki.com/Cursed_Felblade), which would have been awesome for me. The Pally and I both rolled Need and he won. I made a goodnatured grumble about it, and he goes “Sorry, I need it to dual wield.” I just…couldn’t bring myself to ask him why he thought a Pally could dual wield. (Hint: they can’t.) Next time, bring it up. Yeah, it’s low-level loot, but if nobody ever corrects the guy, he’s gonna keep doing it. And if he realized that he just rolled Need on an item that he’s never going to use, he \*just might \*be nice enough that you could convince him to open a ticket to have the item transferred to you, instead. It’s certainly worth a shot, at least if you phrase everything politely. > [@Redwing](#): > > Still twice as many horde mounts as alliance mounts. Very true–I just wanted to know how the hell I’d missed other Undead mounts were so I could start farming 'em. 😃 > [@](#): > > I’m sure your server standing has more to do with quality people than the age of the server (SH is an orginal server, and we’re still 3rd horde on it, which always suprises me). Let me put it this way: our #3 server-wide standing for 25-man is with 15/15 Naxx, Sarth + 1D, \*no \*Malygos, and \*only \*Flame Leviathan in Ulduar (our 10-man progression is further, but we’re a little lower in the rankings there because more people run 10-man content). The server is \*very \*new–it only opened up for transfers in mid-April. > [@](#): > > The thing about the council having to want progression more than anything means they have to set aside the gearing of friends/favorites/self and make sure that every single piece of loot goes to where the raid will get the most out of it in the next fight. And they have to want to spend the time going through each piece. Yup, we do, and we do. 😃 > [@](#): > > Having no drama rules is nice, but that only allows you to kick people who cause drama, which can cause drama. It doesn’t prevent drama. Being careful about who we invite prevents drama, and the vast majority of the drama queens we’ve lost have gquit, not been gkicked. We just have an atmosphere where no one kowtows to their shit. We don’t indulge their tantrums, so they fix it or leave to find someone who will. And when you’re in a guild that’s designed to be a no-drama-zone, kicking someone for constant whining and complaining is going to result in applause from the members instead of more drama. > [@](#): > > Not having a clue does get people kicked from our raids, even officers and core raiders will be asked to step out for an evening if they fuck up consistently. I’m talking about people who don’t bother to do their research before a fight, so we have to waste time explaining, and then they might take a few tries to get it down. That’s the kind of shit that would get you into trouble in a hardcore raiding guild, whereas I have to just grit my teeth and put up with it. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2349 "2009-06-24T16:27:13Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > So it’s 1 undead horse (Baron), 1 belf chicken (Kael in mgt), 1 tauren kodo (Brewfest), and 1 troll raptor(ZG) for four horde drops. Oh, and here’s how I vote we balance things… Two of these Horde mounts already have Alliance mount counterparts: Brewfest Kodo \<–\> Brewfest Ram ZG Raptor \<–\> ZG Tiger I propose that they add the following mounts: Strat Undead Horse \<–\> Scholo Horse (off of Darkmaster Gandling) MT Chocobo \<–\> Kara Elekk (off of Prince) ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2350 "2009-06-24T19:27:34Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > If you’re fighting a Warlock with a Voidwalker: Root the VW, kill the Lock, kill the VW. > If you’re fighting a Warlock with an Imp: Root the Lock at max range, run out, kill the Imp as it follows you, kill the Lock. Start out in bear, bash the lock just before he finishes casting, beat him down, then kill the pet. This gives you the initial cast time of the nuke, the duration of the bash, and the cast time of the next nuke to drop the guy. Locks, even lock mobs, have looong cast times. Take advantage of that. > [@](#): > > The problem with playing casters after playing melee, especially plate-wearing melee, is that they require very different strategies. You have to make sure you use your full arsenal of CCs, roots, snares, etc. You can’t just let everything hammer on you while you take it down one at a time. I have reverse issue, after playing casters so long, I get really frustrated when I can’t kill something as it runs off, or control it before it hurts me/heals my target. It always amazes me how fragile some of the middle armor classes are compared to most plate and cloth classes (priests and locks are more durable than hunters or rogues by a wide margin, and dps caster druids and shaman as well). > [@](#): > > I’m talking about people who don’t bother to do their research before a fight, so we have to waste time explaining, and then they might take a few tries to get it down. That’s the kind of shit that would get you into trouble in a hardcore raiding guild, whereas I have to just grit my teeth and put up with it. I don’t consider us hard core, at the end of the day. We do expect that you’ve at least read up on the fight. When 3.1 was on the PTR we had raid days (dkp and attendence enforced) on the new content; that might be a bit over the top, but we still remember how burned out everyone was by Hyjal/BT, so seeing new stuff while blasting through Naxx seemed reasonable. Depending on progression we may do that with 3.2, though we will likely prioritize our drakes over the new raid. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Oh, and here’s how I vote we balance things… > > Two of these Horde mounts already have Alliance mount counterparts: > > Brewfest Kodo \<–\> Brewfest Ram > ZG Raptor \<–\> ZG Tiger > > I propose that they add the following mounts: > > Strat Undead Horse \<–\> Scholo Horse (off of Darkmaster Gandling) > MT Chocobo \<–\> Kara Elekk (off of Prince) As much as I want to work a mechano-strider in there, I like this set up. The only question is has Blizzard ever added mounts to old content this way before? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2351 "2009-06-24T19:36:54Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > We do expect that you’ve at least read up on the fight. Allegedly our RL is going to start enforcing “no research, no loot.” I’ll be interested to see if it works out. > [@](#): > > As much as I want to work a mechano-strider in there, I like this set up. The only question is has Blizzard ever added mounts to old content this way before? The only example I can think of is that they added the Brewfest Kodo in 2008 when they made the Brewfest Ram a boss drop instead of a reward from collecting the tokens like they did in the first Brewfest in 2007. Other than that, I’ve known them to change drop rates, but never add a whole mount. The reason I think your Mechanostrider idea would never work is that (a) the boss is too easy to farm at 80 and (b) he’d have to drop a 60% speed mount, which wouldn’t do you any good, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2352 "2009-06-24T19:41:21Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > The difficulty in doing the quest as a druid is that all of the mobs around the perimeter are warlocks with voidwalker or imp minions. I’ve tried every variation in attack plan I can think of, without success. Regardless of which of the pair I immobilize with Entangling Roots, the fact is the warlock can continue blast me with shadowbolts until she’s dead, whether she’s entangled or not. > > (snip) > > By contrast, my paladin did the same quest when she was the same level, and was able to just wade in there and kill things until the one of them dropped the quest item. Which is one of the reasons I get so frustrated trying to play casters - I hate being so effing helpless when confronted with more than one mob at a time. I started with casters, not trying melee toons until I’d been playing for a year, so perhaps I can help: When taking on multiple mobs, you need to make at least one of them stop hurting you. Always take down the easiest one first. As a mage, my strategy on mobs with imps is to get back at maximum range and fire a frostbolt at the imp. I fire a second frostbolt while the first is still in the air. The lock and imp will both start casting shadowbolts at me when the first frostbolt hits the imp. I snap off a counterspell to stop the lock’s bolt, and take the hit from the imp. By this time, the 2nd frostbolt has hit the imp, and it’s probably dead. If it isn’t, I hit it with an instant damage spell to kill it. If it is dead, I turn immediately to the lock. With a priest, my strategy is similar, but I have silence, so I can make the lock shut up before he even starts casting. There’s always a tradeoff between blasting the one that deals you the most damage and blasting the one you can kill faster. _NEVER_ split your damage evenly between them (unless you can AoE from a distance). The faster you kill one of them, the sooner you’re only taking damage from one opponent. The higher your level, the more tools you have to deal with multiple mobs. With my 80 frostmage, for example, I can usually take on four mobs my own level and live. My 72 shadow priest can usually take three. I think the priest could do better than that, but I’m not as good with all of his strategies and crowd control. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2353 "2009-06-24T19:42:31Z")
It’s my understanding that if you kill the player character, their combat pet despawns. (Talking about going against Warlocks and Hunters in PvP.) Strategies to root pet, kill player, then kill pet doesn’t sound completely correct to me (since you shouldn’t have to kill the pet). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2354 "2009-06-24T19:46:44Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > It’s my understanding that if you kill the player character, their combat pet despawns. (Talking about going against Warlocks and Hunters in PvP.) > > Strategies to root pet, kill player, then kill pet doesn’t sound completely correct to me (since you shouldn’t have to kill the pet). Unfortunately, this doesn’t apply in PvE. You have to kill the pet–it won’t despawn. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2355 "2009-06-24T19:50:28Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Unfortunately, this doesn’t apply in PvE. You have to kill the pet–it won’t despawn. Ah. Sorry, my misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2356 "2009-06-24T21:17:21Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > Ah. Sorry, my misunderstanding. An easy mistake to make, seeing as logically it \*should \*work that way. If my demon/pet/ghoul can’t keep fighting after I’ve been killed, the mob’s shouldn’t be able to, either. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2357 "2009-06-24T21:36:01Z")
With imps, I’d say “kill the imp first” is definitely the way to go. If you can’t knock the imp out in two or three hits, you’re probably under-level or under-geared for the fight. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2358 "2009-06-24T21:45:14Z")
> [@Darwins\_Finch](#): > > For some real Gigantor fun: > > 1. Drink a Giant Strength potion > 2. Eat a Giant Feast > 3. visit the witch doctor at Sen’Jin Village, and get the “make me bigger” hex (have to do this last, then port to the city of your choice, since the effects are short-lived) > > I’ve seen Tauren that towered over the Orgrimmar bank after doing that 🆒 > > I wonder if they’d even fit entirely within Undercity… OMG. Please tell me you took a picture and are willing to share! Otherwise I’m going to have to beg the taurens I know to try that. XD That said, last night was an eventful night for lil’ Kut. - Devirginized my Northrendness and dinged 70 with the help of the Fire Festival buffs stacked with my guildie’s WG xp buff. (Woo hoo!) I FINALLY get Misdirection! _tear_ - Ran my little RP-clad butt into the Exodar at ass o’clock to get the fire. Next: Corpse-running SW and IF. And hitting Stockades in the process. I had a fit of the glees when I realized I can get the IF fire AND get the Stockades achieve. I can barely wait. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2359 "2009-06-24T21:51:57Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > Next: Corpse-running SW and IF. And hitting Stockades in the process. I had a fit of the glees when I realized I can get the IF fire AND get the Stockades achieve. I can barely wait. 😃 Oooh, thanks for reminding me! I missed it the first time around, but since I’m redoing all the fires after the quest reset, I can go back and finally get RFC on my main when I swing by Org again. ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2360 "2009-06-24T22:37:55Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > OMG. Please tell me you took a picture and are willing to share! Otherwise I’m going to have to beg the taurens I know to try that. XD It’s not my screenshot, but [here’s an example](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/Kazzabiss/WoWScrnShot_042109_005500.jpg) of what can happen with some Alliance guy on a mammoth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=117) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=119)