# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 127
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2521 "2009-06-30T19:06:21Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > A concern I have is that it might kill whatever faction is in the minority on a server. If all the top raiding guilds are Horde, for example, all the good raiders will jump to that faction. If Alliance wins all of the BGs then the PvPers will jump. This will just make those discrepancies worse. The truth is, for those where faction balance is a problem, they’re already paying the $25 to transfer to a different server and/or battlegroup where the balance is more to their liking. Allowing them to change factions instead/in addition isn’t a big change from a balance point of view. I’m interested in this development because I’m looking for a new home for my lonely horde hunter and if I could bring him into my alliance guild i’d be happy. I’ll be curious to see how they deal with things like rep, quests completed, faction-specific gear, titles, achievements, mounts, pets, recipes, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2522 "2009-06-30T19:11:08Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > Heh, after seeing the horror that’s the Loremaster’s Colors, I stopped really caring about that achiement. > > Since the changes to fishing I’m not sure what you want your max fishing skill to be, but remember that you wanted 525 fishing to fish up Mr. Pinchy in Terrokar during BC. Higher fishing will still reduce the amount of gray stuff you fish up in certain areas. > > Currently the max skill you can have in fishing is (450 (skill) + 40 (best pole) + 5 (best line) + 100 (best bait) + 5 (best boots) + 5 (best gloves) + 2 (enchant) + 10 (lager) ) for 617, though you don’t need more than 575 to stop getting gray items. Can you wear a best hat with the boots for another +5? ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2523 "2009-06-30T20:05:05Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > The truth is, for those where faction balance is a problem, they’re already paying the $25 to transfer to a different server and/or battlegroup where the balance is more to their liking. Allowing them to change factions instead/in addition isn’t a big change from a balance point of view. > > I’m interested in this development because I’m looking for a new home for my lonely horde hunter and if I could bring him into my alliance guild i’d be happy. I’ll be curious to see how they deal with things like rep, quests completed, faction-specific gear, titles, achievements, mounts, pets, recipes, etc. Yeah, I hadn’t considered that it would be a pay-to-play feature (which, in retrospect, is pretty obvious). That will cut down on the “flavor of the month, OMG we lost WG three times in a row” faction switching. I guess the only issues are the one **winterhawk11** touched on (high-quality players defecting to the side with better raiding guilds, thus further gutting the quality of the side defected from) and the multiple “what abouts” that you listed here. I can only assume that anything tied to your faction (quests, race rep, mounts) will be purged with the change. And, of course, the lore-related issues, but Blizz doesn’t really seem to care much about that… ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2524 "2009-06-30T20:57:53Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Can you wear a best hat with the boots for another +5? Err… well… ya see… there’s actually no gloves, so, yeah, you can get +5 from the hat (all fishing hats give +5), but you can’t get it from the gloves. (The enchant is glove enchant). I really feel uneasy about the faction change. If you keep your race, I forsee Draeni being required for every raid. If you change race, well, then they’ve just put in race changing, unless you can only ever do this once. I’m not that concerned with reputations as I am with mounts. Do I lose access to all my faction mounts if I change race? Or do I gain the ability to learn my new factions mounts if I don’t? Either way, I will have a tauren on a mechostrider in very short order. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2525 "2009-06-30T21:08:27Z")
My young friend (level 37 Druid) couldn’t get me through Dead Mines in the one hour he had before he had to go to bed, so the farthest we got was that portal where the sprites attack. We had agreed on 10 gold, but I gave him 25, because he really tried and he was real unhappy when he had to go to bed. (Besides that gold was “ill-begotten gains” anyway, so why not spread the love a little?) And yeah, when I sent him the gold, I also sent him an explanation. (I felt I owed him that much because Wolkie _really_ looked retarded a lot of the time in DM!) And the poor kid kept telling me to “OK FIGHT!!!”☹ He wrote back thanking me and telling me his parents were proud of him for helping me out. That’s nice, dontcha think? Kinda cancels out the other young assholes I have had to deal with on the Forums. Thanks Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2526 "2009-06-30T21:19:43Z")
Thanks to **SFG** and **SteveG1**! I had to go back and re-read, but gotcha! One question: Do Glyphs “build” themselves? I tried to get some info on Wow-Wiki, but couldn’t tell. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2527 "2009-06-30T21:49:05Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Thanks to **SFG** and **SteveG1**! > > I had to go back and re-read, but gotcha! > > One question: Do Glyphs “build” themselves? > > I tried to get some info on Wow-Wiki, but couldn’t tell. > > Thanks > > Q Glyphs have to be made by someone with the inscription trade. I bought my glyphs on the Auction House. Think of them as an enchantment, because that is basically what they are. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2528 "2009-06-30T21:53:15Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > One question: Do Glyphs “build” themselves? Glyphs are made by someone with the Inscription profession. Each class has various Major and Minor glyphs that they can use, each of which will be best suited to different specs and roles. You decide which glyphs you would like, purchase them, and “install” them on your character. You can see your current glyphs (or install new ones) by pulling up your talent window (hit “N”) and clicking to the glyph tab. Once you have a glyph in your inventory, right-click it and then click an unlocked glyph slot. (Glyphs are unlocked at different levels–mouseover a glyph slot to see if it’s unlocked. If it’s locked, the tooltip will tell you what level you can use it at.) The glyph will be applied to your empty slot, or overwrite the current glyph you have in the slot if it’s already occupied. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2529 "2009-06-30T21:59:33Z")
**Steve** and **SFG** , would a warrior _need_ a glyph? I just recently got rid of some milk and potions because Wiki says those are not meant for warriors, since we don’t need mana (we “rage out” I guess?). I know every once in a while Wolkie and me will be running down the road, and someone will cast a spell on us, so I guess we CAN be enchanted, but didn’t know how important a glyph was. I will take a look. Thanks, you two!🙂 Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2530 "2009-06-30T22:12:01Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > Heh, after seeing the horror that’s the Loremaster’s Colors, I stopped really caring about that achiement. I looked that one up on [Wowhead.com](http://Wowhead.com) and … yikes, that’s awful! Wouldn’t be so bad without the big yellow “!” The Tabard of the Explorer isn’t nearly as bad. Here’s Eilyssana in hers: [Front](http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3348715&l=be31cd8ee2&id=661212628) [Back](http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3348714&l=7a9a49277f&id=661212628) ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2531 "2009-06-30T22:28:39Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > **Steve** and **SFG** , would a warrior _need_ a glyph? > > I just recently got rid of some milk and potions because Wiki says those are not meant for warriors, since we don’t need mana (we “rage out” I guess?). > > I know every once in a while Wolkie and me will be running down the road, and someone will cast a spell on us, so I guess we CAN be enchanted, but didn’t know how important a glyph was. > > I will take a look. Thanks, you two!🙂 > > Quasi Glyphs improve your attacks and such. There are glyphs for every class, so you should be able to find some useful ones for you. Your guild can often be helpful with finding these, and you may even be able to get a scribe from your guild, if there are any, to make glyphs for you. Here’s the [Wowwiki page](http://www.wowwiki.com/Warrior_glyphs) on warrior glyphs. I don’t know much about warriors, since I prefer to play mana-using classes, but several of them look nifty. And no, you don’t use mana as a warrior, but rage potions might be worth looking into. Just think, though; you’ll save space by not having to carry around drinks. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2532 "2009-06-30T22:33:26Z")
On another note … My _other_ paladin, this one a blood elf, hit lvl 30 last night, got her mount, and finished her paladin weapon quest. Since I’m planning to finally learn how to work in a group with this toon, I did the two instances required for the quest (Shadowfang Keep and Ragefire Chasm) with help from two different warlocks - a guildmate for SFK, and a different warlock who I met by chance at the entrance of RFC. I could have soloed RFC at that point, though, since I seriously out-leveled the mobs inside. Probably could have soloed SFK, but it would have been extremely tedious and time-consuming. Frankly, I’m terribly disappointed with the “awesome” weapon I got out of that quest. For one thing, I was expecting one of those cool two-bladed twirly swords you see all the blood elf guards carrying, and instead I got a [Blood-Tempered Ranseur](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25464). It’s a polearm, which I had no skill in, _and_ it’s inferior, damage-wise, to the blue 2-hand sword I bought at the AH, the [Deanship Claymore](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13049). Part of the problem, I suppose, is that I got the quest at lvl 23 but didn’t complete it until lvl 30. Even so, I think my human pally was around lvl 28 when she finished _her_ weapon quest (and had a much harder time of it, since she gutted her way through both Deadmines and Shadowfang Keep solo), but the weapon, [Verigan’s Fist](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=6953), stayed useful for a few levels (and it was a 2-hand mace, which I already had skill with). To be fair, it was better than anything she already had or could buy because she was my first toon, I was still new to the game, and I hadn’t figured out how to make money on the AH and so didn’t have the gold to buy good gear. My belf pally doesn’t have those “handicaps”. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2533 "2009-07-01T00:11:38Z")
Yeah, for some reason the Ranseur is kind of a shoddy weapon considering the lengths you have to go to to get it. The stats on Verigan’s Fist are unusual, but it’s a solid weapon. Don’t knock polearms, though. Some of the most kickass leveling weapons available are polearms. The [Ice Barbed Spear](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19106) is a fantastic weapon, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2534 "2009-07-01T05:36:07Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yeah, for some reason the Ranseur is kind of a shoddy weapon considering the lengths you have to go to to get it. Speaking of lengths, I’ve somehow played this long (since last December) thinking that your character automatically knows _all_ of his/her faction’s capital city flight points (apparently it’s only your race’s capital city FP). So I took the zeppelin from Undercity to Orgrimmar, then skipped through Org without stopping to get the FP there as I was on my way to Ashenvale and BFD. So I galloped from Org to Splinterpine Post, got the FP there, then galloped from Splinterpine all the way to the Horde outpost at Zoram Strand clear at the other end of Ashenvale, before heading to BFD, where the very first naga I killed dropped the Corrupted Kor Gem. Then I hit the FP at the Zoram outpost, and that’s when I discovered I couldn’t fly from there back to Org. So I flew to Splinterpine and then rode all the way back to Org, making sure to hit the FP this time before jumping the zeppelin back to UC and translocating to Silvermoon. Sheesh. At least I had my mount before I started all that. I would have been royally ticked if I’d had to _run_ all the way back from Splinterpine to Org! > [@](#): > > Don’t knock polearms, though. Some of the most kickass leveling weapons available are polearms. The [Ice Barbed Spear](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19106) is a fantastic weapon, for instance. Oh, I love polearms; my lvl 80 human pally uses one (the blue one you can buy once you’re Revered with the Kalu’ak in Northrend, to which I’ve added the “Fiery Weapon” enchant). Of course, she has 4 weapon skills at 400, and if she acquires a weapon of one of the other three types that’s superior to the polearm, she’ll use that. But with her I had decided at lvl 1 to go for the Master of Arms achievement, and by keeping four weapons at maximum or close to max skill at all times she was able to use just about anything she found without having to spend time in lower-level areas trying to skill it up. With this blood elf pally, I decided from the start to just concentrate on 1-hand and 2-hand swords, with the intention of eventually dual-speccing Ret/Prot, and I want to have the 1-hander ready to go as soon as I take the second spec. So each level, once I’ve got my 2-hand skill maxed I switch to 1-hand and shield. Heh, yesterday I ended up in a group attacking Dun Garok in Hillsbrad while I was using the 1-hander, and a slightly-higher-level belf pally said to me, as if I was an idiot, “You do know ret uses 2-hand weapons, right?” I didn’t feel like explaining myself to him, though. Anyway, now I’ve got both swords at 150/150, and polearm skill at 1/150, and after the pain in the neck of trying to keep 4 different weapons maxed for 80 levels with my other pally, I’m not sure I want to do the same with this one. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2535 "2009-07-01T08:45:39Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Heh, yesterday I ended up in a group attacking Dun Garok in Hillsbrad while I was using the 1-hander, and a slightly-higher-level belf pally said to me, as if I was an idiot, “You do know ret uses 2-hand weapons, right?” I didn’t feel like explaining myself to him, though. There are a lot of people playing this game who don’t know what they’re doing. So unless he actually called you an idiot, I would assume he thought you might be one of them and was trying to help you. Because after all, running around with 1h and shield as Ret _is_ weird. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2536 "2009-07-01T09:10:01Z")
Grats **Mister Rik** I had a great night with my Warlock last night, bumped into a Guildy in Desolace who was looking for help and even though I didn’t have the quest (I had the pre requisite in my log) went along anyway. We spotted a warrior doing the same quest so he joined us and we got through the quest quick quickly but the result for me was that one of the mobs we killed dropped a quest item for a quest I had in my log that was still red a pleasant suprise. We then helped the warrior kill an elite he was struggling with then they both ran me through all the quests they had both completed recently which meant I gained a level and about two thirds of an XP bar in one evening. I have a very friendly server. Warlock question – that item I picked up above was an Infernal Orb for this warlock specific quest [Fragments of the Orb of Orahil](http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1799) which results in quite a nice weapon for my level. Happy about that but I also have this quest [Components for the Enchanted Gold Bloodrobe](http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=1796) which results in an OK robe but one of the pre requisites is this item [Robes of Arcana](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=5770) which goes on the AH for about 45g at the moment. Though I’d like to do the quest as it is a Warlock specific quest the robe doesn’t seem worth it, I can buy robes with better stats now for less than the Robes of Arcana. Did anyone else bother to get this robe? It hardly seems worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2537 "2009-07-01T09:25:08Z")
**Mister Rik** gets immature shit said to **him** too??? I would hope he looked you up in The Armory and was properly _chagrined_, my friend! I don’t know a lot about WoW and its machinations, but I **do** see how y’all progress, and how you drop everything to help **me** , so yeah, I kinda get pissed off when one of those “elite” little shits annoys one of my friends! And, I admit, I am one of those who “don’t know what they’re doing”, but in _no way_ would I EVER criticize them, _whatever_ the reason. **Mogle**? With all due respect? Before I lit into someone like **Rik** (like that Blood Elf did), I would hope the little shit did his “homework” and looked him (“Mister Rik”) up in The Armory. Again, **Mogle** , PLEASE? 🙂 This is in no way a bad (or mean) response to what you posted. It’s just that **Rik** is a friend, and that little shit shoulda looked him up first! Q ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2538 "2009-07-01T09:46:43Z")
**Quasi** , since when is asking “You do know ret uses 2-hand weapons, right?”(assuming **Master Rik** didn’t clean up what the guy said for us) throwing immature shit? It’s a perfectly fair question when you see a retribution paladin trying to kill something using a 1h weapon. Secondly, there is nothing relevant the armory will tell you that a normal inspect won’t. The armory is something you use when you’re not standing next to the character you want to look at. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2539 "2009-07-01T10:08:47Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > (assuming **Master Rik** didn’t clean up what the guy said for us) Whoops, oh well, one vowel is as good as any other, raght? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2540 "2009-07-01T10:10:04Z")
Okay, yeah. Sorry. Sometimes I can’t pull it all together.🙂 As for “The Armory”: I always thought one could click on a name and see his/her attributes? As for “the immature shit” comment: I think that sometimes we assume too much (I thought I was playing with an adult when we went through DM, but he was just a kid!). I apologize. Q [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=126) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=128)