# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/241 "2009-03-24T21:40:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > See, I don’t generally find Kael oogy, but then I played through Warcraft III and The Frozen Throne, so I really understand a lot of his motivation for the things he’s done. On the other hand, if you want to take Kael seriously do not EVER watch the “Supervillains of Azeroth” videos. I just can not take him seriously after that. Thrall: If you climb into this cage and let me lower you into the shark pit, I’ll give you a cookie and autograph your Thrall action figure" Kael’Thas: “Chocolate chip? OK!!!” It kind of makes it hard not to giggle at him now 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/242 "2009-03-25T01:10:18Z")
> [@Mekhazzio](#): > > In short, the Big Reveal is that you’re cannon fodder, and this “shocking betrayal” of your adored leader is all it takes. > > BS, I say. By the time I got there, I had gotten well into the character and the quests up to that point. The Master wishes, nay, expects us to die fighting in his service? Glory to his name! Victory or death! I only hope that I bury my axe in a few of those Light-besotted skulls before I fall! (why yes, she IS an orc death knight, why do you ask? 😃 ) > > But alas, off you trot to your faction leader, letter of commendation in hand, greeted as a probable future hero, while still caked in the blood of the Chapel’s defenders.[/spoiler] > > Pretty weak ending. Thanks, that explains a bit. > [@SteveG1](#): > > I did that whole introductory deathknight “thing”, and basically, all through your “training” Arthas is suposed to be a cold, ruthless, baddass. Then at the Battle Of Whitehope Chapel, he gets hit once and runs away. So, to any dwarf (my DK is a dwarf) that makes him a worthless pansy. We dwarves smash each other in the face with hammers, just for fun (example: the two dwarves in Wildhammer Stronghold… SMASH! “That was great! Do it again!”). > > No self respecting dwarf would fight for a coward who runs away from a fight. > > Anyway, that’s just another way to look at it. Hmm. I may have missed a few things. Somewhere between flying the frost wyrm around and getting the quest to attack Light’s Hope Chapel, things started getting so bogged down graphically that I couldn’t even turn in place with out it jerking all over the place. I was forced to quit and relaunch the game. I had the countdown thing at the top of my screen (Battle of Light’s Hope Chapel starts in 3, 2, 1 minutes), and I think the battle had already begun when I quit and restarted. So I arrived at the chapel in time for Mograine’s speech, heard him mention that the Lich King had returned to Northrend, and then he sent me to talk to King Wrynn. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/243 "2009-03-25T01:44:24Z")
It’s also probable thatthe appearance of Mograine with Ashbringer helped sever at least part of your link to Arthas, enough to realize you’d been used like a chump. Ashbringer is more or less WoW’s Excalibur, so I don’t put anything past it. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/244 "2009-03-26T07:09:39Z")
Heh heh heh - [lookee what I found](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31134)! Found it on a Bonechewer Scavenger near Honor Hold in Hellfire Peninsula. I haven’t equipped it yet, as I haven’t decided if I want to keep it or sell it. Auctioneer says the MP is 435g :eek: Damn cool-looking sword. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/245 "2009-03-26T14:09:45Z")
Unless you really, really need a weapon upgrade or already flush with cash, sell it. ---
**Author:** ![Demo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demo/32/8472_2.png) [@Demo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/246 "2009-03-26T16:28:06Z")
What, do people make lvl 60 twinks for AV now or something? ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/247 "2009-03-26T17:55:05Z")
I heard an ugly rumor yesterday evening while playing; that QuestHelper would no longer work once the 3.1 patch was installed. Anyone else hear anything along those lines? ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/248 "2009-03-26T17:59:16Z")
> [@Runestar](#): > > I heard an ugly rumor yesterday evening while playing; that QuestHelper would no longer work once the 3.1 patch was installed. Anyone else hear anything along those lines? Quite possibly. Blizzard has a new policy now that prevents addon makers from charging for their addons. Questhelper is affected, as are things like Carbonite. Some other addon developers, even though they don’t charge for their addons, have pulled them in support (Outfitter and Guild Calendar are two such addons that aren’t available any longer.) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/249 "2009-03-26T18:08:47Z")
Questhelper costs money? I downloaded it free. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/250 "2009-03-26T18:20:52Z")
> [@Demo](#): > > What, do people make lvl 60 twinks for AV now or something? Yeah, there probably are lvl60 twinks… what an odd thing to do though… But I think that lvl60 sword is something that a fresh (well, 2-levels out of their intro area) DK would use and probably not find a quest upgrade for 5 or 6 levels. Since DKs are always alts (and sometimes pretty rich ones) I could see there being a good market for that weapon. [QUOTE=Bosstone] Questhelper costs money? I downloaded it free. [/QUOTE] Yeah, QH is free but I think the new policy also prohibits in-game ads or requests for donations. It’s possible QH is objecting to this, or maybe just pulling it on principle - more likely it will still work. The Outfitter one is just silly though - that capability is being added to the standard interface in 3.1 anyway so their addon is going to be obsolete. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/251 "2009-03-26T18:21:54Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Questhelper costs money? I downloaded it free. 😕 The new policy prevents them from charging for add-ons _or from nagging for donations in-game_. I think that’s the problem with QuestHelper. I’ve never seen a nag screen, but it’s possible it comes up in the chat box, which I generally ignore. Personally, I think the developers of the add-ons in question are whining. There are thousands of WoW mods that have been free of charge and free of nagging since the damn game went public. Yeah, QuestHelper and Carbonite are really great, but they’re an adjunct to WoW, would be useless without WoW, and the company that owns WoW doesn’t feel that the mod developers should be making money from their game. I’ve been using QH for a couple of months, and it’s damn useful, but if the developers decide to freeze it at its current iteration, then fine. I’ll go looking for something else to use, from a developer who does it because he loves the game, rather than is looking for a way to make a buck. I have a tendency to fossilize my UI, with only very slow and single-mod changes over many months, but that’s mostly because I’m too lazy to spend hours a month poring over Curse to find all the new stuff. If QH, etc, end up broken by the patch, then I’ll spend a little while trying to put together a new UI that’s updated for 3.1. No biggie. Stop whining, LUA devs. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/252 "2009-03-26T18:25:49Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > It’s possible QH is objecting to this, or maybe just pulling it on principle - more likely it will still work. Yes, as long as Blizzard doesn’t break the LUA framework in a way that would prevent QH from working at all, it will still work. But the developer is abandoning it, apparently, which means that at the point when a future patch does break the framework in a way that will destabilize QH, it won’t be upgraded to the new framework, unless the developer actually releases it and someone else comes along and picks it up. The new rules for mods also say that all add-on programming must be transparent. Developers can’t hide or alter their XML to prevent reverse engineering. Which is another thing the mod developers are whining about. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/253 "2009-03-26T18:29:11Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Personally, I think the developers of the add-ons in question are whining. There are thousands of WoW mods that have been free of charge and free of nagging since the damn game went public. Yeah, QuestHelper and Carbonite are really great, but they’re an adjunct to WoW, would be useless without WoW, and the company that owns WoW doesn’t feel that the mod developers should be making money from their game. Agreed. I normally have no issue with someone seeking recompense for their work, and don’t mind the request for donations from the QH developer, but when it comes to WoW, what Blizzard says goes. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/254 "2009-03-26T18:51:59Z")
> [@Runestar](#): > > I heard an ugly rumor yesterday evening while playing; that QuestHelper would no longer work once the 3.1 patch was installed. Anyone else hear anything along those lines? QuestHelper should work. The developer has even said he’ll spend some time getting it to version 1.0 and will try to maintain the database, but… It’s now essentially against Blizzard policy to make add-ons for money. While you can download and use QH for free, it does (until last Friday’s update, anyway) occasionally ask you in-game for donations. This is now against the policy, and previous efforts to put the request only on the download website were not successful. The developer has decided not to work for free. > [@http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/quest-helper.aspx](#): > > Version 0.95 3/20/2009 > > ``` > * Disable donation request. > > ``` > > Bad news, everyone. Questhelper’s dead. > > Blizzard just posted their new UI Add-On Development Policy at [http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html](http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html). The important part is that I’m no longer allowed to ask for donations in-client. I know how much I got before I added the in-client reminder - it doesn’t pay a significant fraction of the bills. And, as much as I like you guys, good intentions don’t pay for my apartment. > > So that’s it. I’m going to be finishing up and releasing v1.0, and I’ll keep posting incremental database improvements every month or two. I do plan to keep QH functional, at least through the end of Wrath, and probably further. I’ve got one or two features in mind that I want to do for my own sake - a few achievements, mostly - but besides that (and the v1.0 release) that’s pretty much all there’s going to be. > > I would like to say: thanks to everyone who donated in the past. I enjoyed working on this quite a bit, and I always enjoyed seeing another donation come in - not just because of the money, but because it meant that people wanted to use QH and wanted to keep it going. > > Let Blizzard know if you don’t like it, and if I can get an exception, I’ll start everything right back up again 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/255 "2009-03-26T20:33:31Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Unless you really, really need a weapon upgrade or already flush with cash, sell it. I already have [this sword](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/fel_iron_greatsword.jpg), which I bought at the AH in anticipation of switching to it as soon as I reached lvl 63. So far I have not equipped this sword. But I found the [new sword](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/blade_of_misfortune01.jpg) ([stats](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/blade_of_misfortune02.jpg)) shortly before dinging 63. Both swords are a major upgrade from [Demonslayer](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13044), my previous 2-hander, and both new swords are slightly better, DPS-wise, than either my current polearm or 2-hand mace. Comparing the two swords, Blade of Misfortune (BoM) has slightly higher DPS, while the Fel Iron Greatsword (FIG) has a slightly faster attack speed. Both swords have a large bonus to critical strike rating, higher on the BoM. The FIG has a bonus to Attack Power that BoM lacks, but BoM grants large bonuses to strength and stamina. (On the other hand, I may or may not really need the Str bonus, since almost every piece of armor I’m wearing also has a Str bonus of at least +20.) Finally, FIG looks cool, but BoM looks freakin’ awesome 😃 In case it’s not obvious, my pally is specced Retribution. As far as my cash reserves, I’m currently sitting at 1264g. I’ve got more gold than my guild’s bank at the moment. I’ll tell you what, I must be doing something right at the AH. I’d built up to about 1100g before I reached lvl 60, but paying for Journeyman Riding, buying a swift horse, and then starting in on the paladin charger quest chain busted me down to less than 400g. Now, in just 3 levels I’ve built back up to my current 1264g. I’ve also got several stacks of ore that still need auctioning (I’ve got 16 Truesilver Ores, showing a market price of over 100g for the stack, plus nearly full stacks of Thorium, Gold, and Mithril). I still haven’t found any takers for my Wirt’s Third Leg though, despite knocking the buyout price down to 50g. Anyway, I don’t need to decide which sword to keep right away, since both my polearm and mace are adequate for the current level of quests I’m doing. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/256 "2009-03-26T21:07:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I already have [this sword](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/fel_iron_greatsword.jpg), which I bought at the AH in anticipation of switching to it as soon as I reached lvl 63. So far I have not equipped this sword. > > But I found the [new sword](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/blade_of_misfortune01.jpg) ([stats](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/blade_of_misfortune02.jpg)) shortly before dinging 63. > > Both swords are a major upgrade from [Demonslayer](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=13044), my previous 2-hander, and both new swords are slightly better, DPS-wise, than either my current polearm or 2-hand mace. I used the Fel Iron Greatsword on my hunter from 63 pretty much until I left Outland and never felt undergeared. Any Outland gear will get replaced by very early Northrend quest gear so there’s no real good reason to min-max it. You can see a comparison of the Fel Iron and BoM [here](http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=23499;31134&weights=Paladin%20-%20Retribution%20(DPS);20:96:114:21:119:117:103:77:123;100:70:67:67:59:44:38:38:12) weighted for your spec. If it were me I’d take the cash (especially if you can get 400g) since you already have a very decent alternate. ---
**Author:** ![Demo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demo/32/8472_2.png) [@Demo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/257 "2009-03-26T22:03:32Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Any Outland gear will get replaced by very early Northrend quest gear so there’s no real good reason to min-max it. This is somewhat true if you are leveling through Outland straight to Northrend. If you had a 70 for a long while before the expansion, much of your gear may last you through 80. For example, my first 80 wore most of his merciless gladiator gear all the way through NR and my second 80 still has a couple of those pieces on(caster weapon and offhand). ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/258 "2009-03-26T22:37:40Z")
> [@Demo](#): > > This is somewhat true if you are leveling through Outland straight to Northrend. If you had a 70 for a long while before the expansion, much of your gear may last you through 80. For example, my first 80 wore most of his merciless gladiator gear all the way through NR and my second 80 still has a couple of those pieces on(caster weapon and offhand). Yeah, that’s certainly true. If you have Outland epics with gems and enchants then the NR gear probably won’t be upgrades until much later. I just assumed **Rik** was planning on ditching Outland at lvl 68 or so since he was discussing a Rare world drop and an Uncommon crafted. Us “newbs” never got the uber-TBC gear since nobody runs the raids anymore and there doesn’t seem to be much point in getting lvl70 PvP gear when you could race to 80 and grind battlegrounds there. I think the only TBC gear that I didn’t replace within two levels in NR was Terrok’s Quill (and even it is replaced now with Icier Barbed Spear). I remember getting my first socketed item and being so excited I plunked down the cash to gem it out, only to replace it with literally one of the first three quest rewards in NR. I still haven’t enchanted anything cause why waste the cash on a soon-to-be-replaced item? Although I am tempted to enchant the Spear since I think it will probably last me till 80. And because (some) weapon enchants look damn cool. ---
**Author:** ![Demo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demo/32/8472_2.png) [@Demo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/259 "2009-03-26T22:54:06Z")
Yeah my (73?) hunter is still using Terrok’s Quill(with 30 agil enchant). She had been in torpor after 70 for a year or so on another server, so I never really got into getting great gear. So much fun to play a hunter again, though I feel like a wuss with my 9k HP after focusing on my 30k HP bear for so long. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/260 "2009-03-26T23:32:52Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I just assumed **Rik** was planning on ditching Outland at lvl 68 or so Nah, I’ll stick around in Outland until I feel like I’ve worked all the quests that interest me. After all, I waited until lvl 62 to even enter the portal instead of rushing there as soon as I hit 58, because I wanted to tie up all my existing quest chains (and managed to pick up a few more quests in the process). My play style is all about questing and exploration; I’ve still never been on a raid, and the instances I’ve finished have all been solo and at too high a level to actually make it worthwhile for anything but the achievement. And the only PvP duel I’ve engaged in was with my DK, as part of the DK quest that requires you to win 5 duels against other DKs. I got all 5 of my wins against NPC DKs, and lost the one fight against another player. I actually still need to return to Azeroth to mine some thorium so I can get my mining up to 300 (it’s at about 276 or 277 now). Until I do that I can’t even mine fel iron in Outland. I did get my Master Tailor and Master in First Aid ratings last night in Outland, though. Speaking of entering the portal — I was a bit … alarmed … when I went through the portal and was promptly greeted by a lvl 70 elite demon charging straight at me :eek: But I guess he was just cosmetic, because he ran right through me on his way to the portal. What’s up with those immense mechanical Fel Reavers (or whatever they’re called) near Honor Hold? One of them practically stepped on me at one point, but otherwise seemed to pay no attention to me at all. Azeroth cosmology question: I somehow made it to lvl 62 before I discovered that Azeroth apparently has two moons. I stumbled upon an old hermit living next to the river that separates Eastern and Western Plaguelands, and he sent me off to kill 15 Carrion Grubs, 30 Plaguebats, and 30 Felhounds of different varieties. It turned out that tedium was merely to see if I was trustworthy before he handed me the real quest: collecting some items to help redeem his son, who is a high-ranking officer of the Scarlet Crusade. One of those items was a family portrait. I found the ghost of the artist in Caer Darrow, and she mentioned that the painting pictured the family with “our two moons” in the background. (Then I found out I’d have to go into Stratholme to retrieve the painting, at which point I abandoned the quest, but that’s neither here nor there.) So why have I never seen two moons? The only interesting thing I’ve ever noticed in that regard is that it’s always a full moon on Azeroth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=14)