# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 147
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2921 "2009-07-14T20:28:41Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > This is kinda sorta what I’m intending with my belf paladin (just dinged 33 last night). My lvl 80 human pally skipped most instances until she so outleveled them that she could solo them (and there are still a ton of them she hasn’t done at all), but she was my very first toon and my thing with her was pretty much “do quests and explore the world”. Now at 80 she’s mostly just running around working on various achievements, hence her recent spate of fishing and cooking achievements, her “the Explorer” title, and my reports of her progress toward the Loremaster title. The downside is that I have no dungeon grouping or raid experience. Rather than start grouping/raiding with her at lvl 80 (risking making people think I bought her on eBay, since it would quickly become obvious that I have no idea what I’m doing in a group), I decided to make a new paladin (since I already know the quirks and techniques of the class) and start learning at low levels how to work in a group. > > Still, I’ve only had the opportunity to group twice, and in both cases it was more of a “partner” than a “group” since each time I just paired up with a warlock. And in both cases I still outleveled the instance (SFK and RFC) to the point where the only benefit to doing them was obtaining needed quest items. This is my pally on Cairne, a member of the Burning Dog Legion, so I really need to start pestering my fellow Dogs to log in their lower-level alts and do some of these instances with me (I don’t want to group with 80s, because I want to learn the group experience - I don’t want “run throughs”). > > Which leads me to a serious question about how a retribution paladin fits into a group. Whenever I read discussion of groups, the discussion of DPS always seems to focus on the ranged attackers, particularly mages, hunters, and warlocks. With them, the way it works is fairly obvious - the tank jumps in and keeps the mob’s attention while the ranged DPSers stand back and unload on the mob (to put it very simply). But what does a melee DPSer (like a ret pally or an arms or fury warrior) do? My guess is that he/she sticks close to the tank, doing as much damage as possible to the same mob the tank is tanking? > > I played a bit with my troll priest last night, too, and now that I’ve finally figured out how to use PW: Shield the class has become much easier to play (read: I’m not dying all the time). Man I wish mages had something like that (Frost Armor just isn’t the same). Frost armor, ice barrier (if you have it), and frost nova. Especially the nova. Lock the mob to the ground with a nova, take a few steps, and you’re golden again. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2922 "2009-07-14T20:31:02Z")
Any rogues here to help me with a question that will surely mark me as an eBayer. This is not the case, I just haven’t played my ally rogue in many months. How many ways are there to get out of combat? I thought there was more than one way to break combat (with a mob, not PvP) so I could heal up and reset. Did something change during one of the patches? Help. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2923 "2009-07-14T21:40:48Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > On this tangent, does it seem to anyone else that it’s more expensive to train everything on shamans than on other classes? My only Shaman is one I’m gearing up to be a twink, so she’s only 16 and won’t get higher than 19, so I don’t have the experience to comment. However, I can’t imagine that Blizzard wouldn’t make all costs even out among classes, unless they wanted a giant mutiny of nerdrage on their hands. Seeing as there hasn’t been one, I’m guessing it’s just you. > [@SteveG1](#): > > A melee DPS generally wants to be positioned behind the mob (usually), to avoid miss/block/parry/doge etc. Mobs \*\*can \*\*dodge attacks from behind (players can’t). Miss is exactly the same standing behind as standing in front. ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2924 "2009-07-14T21:42:02Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > The only reagent my lvl 80 pally carries is the Symbol of Kings, for her Greater Blessing of Might buff, but since she’s been purely solo that’s been all she’s needed. GBoM is the only blessing she ever uses on herself, though she’ll occasionally throw a Blessing of Wisdom on a lowbie caster she encounters, or a regular BoM on random melee toons (since the “Greater” variants only work on herself or party members). Any reason you haven’t gotten the minor BoM glyph? No reason for reagents with that. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2925 "2009-07-14T21:51:23Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > Any rogues here to help me with a question that will surely mark me as an eBayer. This is not the case, I just haven’t played my ally rogue in many months. How many ways are there to get out of combat? I thought there was more than one way to break combat (with a mob, not PvP) so I could heal up and reset. Did something change during one of the patches? > Help. I haven’t played my Rogue in ages, either. The skill Vanish drops you instantly into stealth, and removes you off all aggro “lists” of mobs you were fighting (although if you are grouped, they’ll remain in combat against your suckers… err… buds). Has a couple minute cooldown, IIRC, but no longer requires a reagent. Gouge “stuns” a mob (breaks on damage) for 4-5 seconds (varies based on talent investment), and turns off auto-attack. Gouge and flee outside leash range. Kidney shot (finishing move) also stuns target. That’s all I can recall at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2926 "2009-07-14T22:00:02Z")
If you’re on a Night Elf, you can also Shadowmeld. (In an instance, it will only drop combat if you are the last one left alive in the instance.) ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2927 "2009-07-14T22:07:01Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > On this tangent, does it seem to anyone else that it’s more expensive to train everything on shamans than on other classes? My first 60 was a shammy and it always seemed like all the money I’d managed to accumulate between every other level evaporated like water in Hellfire Peninsula after visiting the trainer. There are STILL a lot of totems I don’t have or don’t have up to the best level because I just can’t freaking afford them. There does seem to be a discrepancy in the number of trainable class skills. Doing a quick wowhead search for class skills with a training cost shows that Druids clock in with 293 trainable skills, while Warriors only have 129 (and Hunters 163). Shaman are near the top with 272. So I can see how the shear number of skills you have to train could drain the bank. It makes sense that hybrid classes will have significantly more skills to train (and more that are optional if you’re only interested in one play style). I can’t get wowhead to display the cost of training all skills for each class to compare - sounds like a project 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2928 "2009-07-14T22:17:44Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I can’t get wowhead to display the cost of training all skills for each class to compare - sounds like a project 🙂 Cost of skills is determined by level, so you’d have to chart out how many skills each class gets at a certain level, with the back-loaded classes paying more than the front-loaded. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2929 "2009-07-14T22:28:05Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Cost of skills is determined by level, so you’d have to chart out how many skills each class gets at a certain level, with the back-loaded classes paying more than the front-loaded. Which I just did. Note that the highest level skills are 26g for a Warrior while only 19g for a Druid, which helps level it out. I downloaded the training cost data from Thottbot (which didn’t match wowhead exactly in the number of skills available). Summing them up gives 1490g for training every Druid skill (278 skills) and 729g for every Warrior skill (117 skills). I would imagine that the Shaman cost is closer to the Druid than the Warrior. As I said this kind of makes sense if you consider the dual-spec nature of the hybrid classes - you are paying twice as much for twice as many skill sets. [Druid Data](http://thottbot.com/?c=Druid#A:::10:::1,2,4,5,6,7,11) [Warrior Data](http://thottbot.com/?c=Warrior#A:::10:::1,4,5,6,7,11) ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2930 "2009-07-15T00:16:18Z")
Little Arhiatlel’s been hitting WSG recently, when I realized that she’s 39. Lots of fun learning how to do bgs, but also frustration when the Allies roll over us. Being a healer is very nice for my side, but I have only a few ways to fight back so I spend a good bit of time (re)dead. Picked up the L20 Rune of Perfection, Battle Healer’s Cloak, and the Dryad’s Wrist thinger for when I hit 40. ---
**Author:** ![Animastryfe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8797f3/32.png) [@Animastryfe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Animastryfe)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2931 "2009-07-15T01:12:57Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > Any rogues here to help me with a question that will surely mark me as an eBayer. This is not the case, I just haven’t played my ally rogue in many months. How many ways are there to get out of combat? I thought there was more than one way to break combat (with a mob, not PvP) so I could heal up and reset. Did something change during one of the patches? > Help. Do you mean in general, or rogue specific? If rogue specific, then you can stun/disorient/blind/gouge and run away, or vanish. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2932 "2009-07-15T06:18:29Z")
> [@Redwing](#): > > Any reason you haven’t gotten the minor BoM glyph? No reason for reagents with that. Hmm. I do seem to have that. For some reason it never occurred to me that it would negate the need to use _Greater_ BoM :smack: Probably because I didn’t pick up the glyph until I’d already learned and started using the Greater variant … ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2933 "2009-07-15T07:31:34Z")
1. Can a lake be “fished out”? I stood by the banks of Crystal Lake for 10 minutes w/ my pole and didn’t see one bob floating. I know they’re supposed to respawn, but I saw nothing but fireflies on that lake. Thinking of unlearning my fishing skill anyway. Can that be done and how? 2. A Fetid Corpse ran away from me into some bushes tonight. That has NEVER happened before in Duskwood. They just don’t tun away before I can engage them in combat. Has this happened to anyone and what if I’d followed him in? 3. Looted a lockbox tonight and need lockpicking skill to open it. The locksmith in Dwarven only said he “might” have a key when I right-clicked him. No mention of training, and I only have blacksmithing as my profession right now. Can I “hire” it done? 4. At what level do I enter BC? Well, that’s more than two, isn’t it? 😉 Thanks Q By the way, I have oodles of nightcrawlers! Those fetid corpses must eat them? ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2934 "2009-07-15T09:21:05Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > 1. Can a lake be “fished out”? I stood by the banks of Crystal Lake for 10 minutes w/ my pole and didn’t see one bob floating. I know they’re supposed to respawn, but I saw nothing but fireflies on that lake. Thinking of unlearning my fishing skill anyway. Can that be done and how? No, unlike the real world there is an infinite amount of fish in the lakes/oceans of WoW. Individual schools can be fished out but they respawn and you can fish anywhere not just in the schools of fish. Schools of fish will just have a higher drop rate of specific fish and treasure. And no, fishing, cooking and first aid can not be unlearned, there is no reason to since having them don’t stop you from learning anything else. Just to make sure, were you using your fishing skill and not just standing there with a pole equipped? > [@](#): > > 1. A Fetid Corpse ran away from me into some bushes tonight. That has NEVER happened before in Duskwood. They just don’t tun away before I can engage them in combat. Has this happened to anyone and what if I’d followed him in? Mob movement out of combat can be random, it was not because of you. > [@](#): > > 1. Looted a lockbox tonight and need lockpicking skill to open it. The locksmith in Dwarven only said he “might” have a key when I right-clicked him. No mention of training, and I only have blacksmithing as my profession right now. Can I “hire” it done? No, you need to find a friendly rogue with high enough lock picking skill to open the box. The locksmith you talked to is for restoring special keys you’ve aquired and then lost, which shouldn’t be an issue these days since keys go to the keyring and don’t occupy any bagspace. > [@](#): > > 1. At what level do I enter BC? Not before 58, though personally I never go to Outlands before level 60. > [@](#): > > By the way, I have oodles of nightcrawlers! Those fetid corpses must eat them? The fetid corpses aren’t the ones doing the eating. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2935 "2009-07-15T11:33:50Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > 1. Looted a lockbox tonight and need lockpicking skill to open it. The locksmith in Dwarven only said he “might” have a key when I right-clicked him. No mention of training, and I only have blacksmithing as my profession right now. Can I “hire” it done? You can ask for a kind rogue to open it for you - or, if your blacksmithing level is high enough, open it yourself using [skeleton keys](http://www.wowhead.com/?search=skeleton+key) (not all the items in the list are made by smiths, some are for quests). If you use a rogue’s services: trade with them and place your box at the bottom of the trade window (where it says “will not be traded”). Engineers have some explosives which can be used to open boxes, too. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2936 "2009-07-15T12:05:49Z")
Do they still have server transfers? I haven’t played since March. I just replaced my Video card and logged on last night to find that my lvl 70 hunter is by himself on one server when I know he was on Archimonde with most of my other characters before. (because I used to mail items to and from others using him). Now, I may have moved him myself back in march, I just don’t remember doing it. But I’d like to move him back. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2937 "2009-07-15T15:26:35Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > > [@Quasimodem](#): > > > > 1. At what level do I enter BC? > > Not before 58, though personally I never go to Outlands before level 60. You can go to Outlands any time you wish (I had a Warlock friend summon one of my toons to Hellfire Peninsula at level 50, and another got a port to Shattrath City at level 10), but you must be level 58 to go through the Dark Portal. I took my priest to Hellfire Peninsula to grind boars and vultures at level 57, and he got much more experience per mob kill there than he was getting in the Plaguelands. Then he picked up quests at level 58 and replaced most of his gear before reaching 60. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2938 "2009-07-15T15:57:01Z")
> [@InvisibleWombat](#): > > You can go to Outlands any time you wish (I had a Warlock friend summon one of my toons to Hellfire Peninsula at level 50, and another got a port to Shattrath City at level 10), but you must be level 58 to go through the Dark Portal. > > I took my priest to Hellfire Peninsula to grind boars and vultures at level 57, and he got much more experience per mob kill there than he was getting in the Plaguelands. Then he picked up quests at level 58 and replaced most of his gear before reaching 60. Yes, you can do that, but since **Quasimodem** is only level 31 right now it may be while before this is really an issue. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2939 "2009-07-15T16:05:53Z")
[For Quasi’s benefit] The reason people get ported to Shattrath or Dalaran while still too low for any of the content out there, is purely so they have access to the major city portals. If you set your hearthstone in Dalaran, then when you are questing and you need to get from one continent to the other, you can hearth to Dalaran and use the portal to the other city. Basically it saves time so you don’t have to use the boats. Although don’t Alliance have to sit through a ridiculously long flight since the only major cities on Kalimdor is Darnassus/Asuremyst (all the way at the top)? I guess it’s no worse than Horde in E.Kingdoms. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/2940 "2009-07-15T16:08:22Z")
I think they can take a boat down to Theramore Isle. Or catch the boat from Booty Bay to Ratchet or the Tanaris seaport area (I think). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=146) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=148)