# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 175
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3481 "2009-07-30T19:47:23Z")
> [@Runestar](#): > > And as just a side note, can I say that I am so, so, so very glad that Blizzard got rid of the quest (“Triage”, I think) that you had to complete in order to learn First Aid beyond level 225? I tried that quest over and over and over again, with multiple alts, and never could successfully complete it. People kept saying it was easy to do, but no matter how often I tried, and what tricks I tried using, I always failed. I probably killed more Alliance and Horde troopers while failing that quest than the opposing faction. 😉 That quest actually wasn’t hard at all–but there was a trick to it, and if you didn’t know the trick, it was a pain in the neck. The trick was that you had to run your camera out so you could see all the injured folks, tilt it a bit so you were essentially looking down on the scene, and stand in a particular spot (it took a bit of experimentation to find the spot) where you could bandage every one of the injured without having to move. The Horde version was easier than the Alliance, but I’ve done both. I had trouble with the Alliance one (the first one of the two that I did) until somebody explained the trick to me. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3482 "2009-07-30T19:55:36Z")
Hah, I had no idea there was a first aid trainer in the Orgrimmar-side Northrend town. I just flipped over to Vengeance Landing to pick up my training. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3483 "2009-07-30T20:07:22Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > And now that I think about it, I think some skeletons behind the locked door nearby (the one you need the key off Rattlegore to open) are similarly immune. Conversely, there are some mobs in the area where Darkmaster Gandling spawns that turn into ghosts at low health - and the ghosts are immune to physical damage. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3484 "2009-07-31T03:49:37Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Boston, Pittsburg, Paris … Maine > > Ya cain’t git there from heyah … > > Don’t know why, I sure as hell got heah from theyah! I was, of course, referring to living in a confusing _building/structure_, not a city 😃 > [@ArrMatey](#): > > Going from there to the Culling of Stratholme instance in the Caverns of Time is kinda cool. You get to see the ‘before’ picture, so-to-speak. And you get to find out that Athras was a jerk long before the whole lichifying. > (My usual line while listening to his little pre-slaughter dialogue: “He keeps talking, but all I hear is ‘blah blah blah I’m a friggin nutjob’.”) Of course, the Stratholme in EPL (and I assume in the CoT) is laid out nothing like the Stratholme in WCIII, at least as far as I remember. It seems the WCIII version was laid out on a grid. > [@](#): > > Feel the same way. I usually /salute. Except to the king of the gnomes. I /silly with him, cos I always feel like him and my gnome are buds. 🙂 The gnome leader isn’t exactly a “king”, per se, of course. As I understand it (or rather, as somebody explained in Burning Dog Legion chat), gnome society is a meritocracy, so the leader is essentially the “Top Nerd” 😃 > [@winterhawk11](#): > > If you’re curious about Arthas and his descent into nutjob-hood, I recommend reading \*Arthas \*by Christie Golden. It’s one of the better of the WoW novels, and it does a good job of explaining how Arthas went from an Anakin Skywalker-esque basically good kid with early tendencies toward going bad with the wrong stimuli, to being all-out evil. Interesting that both of these characters are illustrations of “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.” ---
**Author:** ![Words\_on\_the\_Interweb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Words\_on\_the\_Interweb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Words_on_the_Interweb)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3485 "2009-07-31T05:13:17Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > Conversely, there are some mobs in the area where Darkmaster Gandling spawns that turn into ghosts at low health - and the ghosts are immune to physical damage. Can’t you use Holy Water from Strat on them, though, if you aren’t a caster (it’s been a while, I don’t remember)? ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3486 "2009-07-31T05:32:43Z")
I hit exalted with Booty Bay tonight. Everlook and Gadgetzan are close (~2.5K rep each to exalted). Ratchet is lagging behind by a fair amount, at only about 8.5K / 21K. A good day’s worth of pirate-killing in Tanaris should help with that, though. Zandalar rep is up to revered, and Netherwing rep should hit revered tomorrow. Slowly, but surely, I’m closing in on my goal… Also got [Snarly’s Bucket](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35349) from today’s Outland fishing daily, and won an auction for a [Dun Morogh Cub](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44970), bringing me up to 87 pets. I should get the remaining 2 Horde pets from the Argent Tournament in 4 days (I have 2 toons working the dailies concurrently), and I need to find an Elwynn Lamb for sale to complete the Argent Tournament collection (until 3.2 is released, anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3487 "2009-07-31T12:43:59Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > That quest actually wasn’t hard at all–but there was a trick to it, and if you didn’t know the trick, it was a pain in the neck. The trick was that you had to run your camera out so you could see all the injured folks, tilt it a bit so you were essentially looking down on the scene, and stand in a particular spot (it took a bit of experimentation to find the spot) where you could bandage every one of the injured without having to move. > > The Horde version was easier than the Alliance, but I’ve done both. I had trouble with the Alliance one (the first one of the two that I did) until somebody explained the trick to me. I kept getting told that there was a trick, and even what that trick was (although different people had different ‘tricks’), but I could never manage to find the magic spot that would let me bandage without moving around. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3488 "2009-07-31T13:32:23Z")
> [@Runestar](#): > > I kept getting told that there was a trick, and even what that trick was (although different people had different ‘tricks’), but I could never manage to find the magic spot that would let me bandage without moving around. I’m not entirely sure there was one. When I did Triage, I still had to take a couple of steps when targeting someone on the opposite side of the room. What helped me most was hitting Shift+V so the NPCs’ nameplates appeared, making it easier to prioritize, and putting the bandages on the action bar, so I only needed to tap a key and click the target, much faster than clicking on the bandages then on the target. You could probably write a macro to bandage on mouseover, which would be even faster. (Not that it really matters _now_, but.) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3489 "2009-07-31T13:56:20Z")
Yay for insomnia! I found a PUG last night to do Blackfathom Depths with my midbie undead priest and picked up the +11 INT +10 SPI staff from the next-to-the-end boss. Then the tank lit up all four braziers at once and we mass-wiped to the 20 or so mobs that streamed in, so I called it a night =). ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3490 "2009-07-31T14:15:24Z")
I went out and caught a Tundra Crawler for my hunter, and named him Leto. I also joined a few guildies on the last quest of a nice long chain that netted me a hideous but very useful gun. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3491 "2009-07-31T14:37:58Z")
> [@Telperien](#): > > I went out and caught a Tundra Crawler for my hunter, and named him Leto. _snerk_ ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3492 "2009-07-31T14:47:03Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > _snerk_ I had no choice. What else could I name a giant worm? He’s very popular, too. Everyone stops to /pet him. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3493 "2009-07-31T14:49:46Z")
So I’ve been questing in Howling Fjord for a few days now. Is it me, or does the XP come in _really slowly_? I’ve been hearing about how it’s just so easy to get from 70 to 80 in Northrend, but I’ve been pumping through quest after quest and I’m barely halfway through 71. Heck, it took me 5 quests just to finish the last 5% of level 70. I actually started in Borean Tundra halfway through level 69, and I had to switch to Fjord when I started running into level 72 quests while still only level 70. It baffles me that they expect you to choose either BT or HF at level 68 and still advance smoothly. Dailies have been helping; every day I log on I make sure to play Break the Blockade and Steel Gate Patrol. But even then that’s not much XP. Now, granted, most of the quests are _easy_; a lot of quests involve riding a vehicle or on-rails flying mount with absolutely no risk involved (both the Blockade and Patrol dailies are a lot of fun!). Is it just that the quests are easy, but you need to do a billion of them? Or am I missing something else entirely? ---
**Author:** ![MJinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@MJinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MJinks)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3494 "2009-07-31T14:59:35Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > If you aren’t already, give Wintergrasp some of your time. You can turn in Wintergrasp marks for a ilvl 200 Head (40 marks) and Shoes (15) and ilvl 213 Chest (40) and Belt (15). The “of Dominance” variety come loaded with hit, and you can gem them for more to get up to the cap. They’ve good resilience for PvP and the rest of the stats are plenty for heroics. I’m sorry I didn’t respond sooner, I had forgotten my participation in this thread. Thank you for trying to help but my main is a [my main](http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Spinetingler) is a Rogue, so the ‘of Dominance’ gear wouldn’t be a very good option. I’m just going to have to grind out arena I guess. My partner has been distracted by Fallout 3 for now though… ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3495 "2009-07-31T15:58:16Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > So I’ve been questing in Howling Fjord for a few days now. Is it me, or does the XP come in _really slowly_? No, it’s just that pre 70 the xp come in really fast. When wrath was released they increased the leveling speed for 60-70 a lot and 1-60 had been increased in an earlier patch. What you’re seeing now that you’re at 70 is the normal leveling speed. > [@](#): > > It baffles me that they expect you to choose either BT or HF at level 68 and still advance smoothly. They don’t, they expect you to choose at level 70, they just let you do it at level 68 if you really want to. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3496 "2009-07-31T16:01:39Z")
I think I zapped my DK over to Northrend at level 69 + some, and did the first set of quests around Vengeance Landing in Howling Fjords before shifting over to Borean Tundra and levelling my way up pretty steadily from there. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3497 "2009-07-31T16:04:09Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > The gnome leader isn’t exactly a “king”, per se, of course. As I understand it (or rather, as somebody explained in Burning Dog Legion chat), gnome society is a meritocracy, so the leader is essentially the “Top Nerd” 😃 The phrase you’re looking for is “alpha geek.” > [@Bosstone](#): > > I’m not entirely sure there was one. When I did Triage, I still had to take a couple of steps when targeting someone on the opposite side of the room. > > What helped me most was hitting Shift+V so the NPCs’ nameplates appeared, making it easier to prioritize, and putting the bandages on the action bar, so I only needed to tap a key and click the target, much faster than clicking on the bandages then on the target. I did manage to find the “sweet spot” where I could reach everyone, and I don’t think it would even be _possible_ to do that quest without the nameplates up. I did the same thing you did with the bandages on the action bar and a key mapped to it. It still took me two tries. > [@Bosstone](#): > > So I’ve been questing in Howling Fjord for a few days now. Is it me, or does the XP come in _really slowly_? I’ve been hearing about how it’s just so easy to get from 70 to 80 in Northrend, but I’ve been pumping through quest after quest and I’m barely halfway through 71. I hear about how quick it is, too, but my priest is putting in about ten hours of play time per level. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3498 "2009-07-31T16:07:10Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > No, it’s just that pre 70 the xp come in really fast. When wrath was released they increased the leveling speed for 60-70 a lot and 1-60 had been increased in an earlier patch. What you’re seeing now that you’re at 70 is the normal leveling speed. Aha, of course. That makes sense, especially for Outland. It seemed really odd that I could hit 70 in Nagrand and not need to bother with Blade’s Edge, Netherstorm, and Shadowmoon. I really can’t wait for patch 3.2. My Paladin, who’s on hold until my partner wants to play again, is currently 67; I think we’re gonna stay in Outland until 72 to get a head start on Northrend, and cheap flying mounts will make that really easy. ETA: Yeah, 10 hours a level sounds about right. ---
**Author:** ![dd0029](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@dd0029](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dd0029)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3499 "2009-07-31T16:24:30Z")
You have always been able to hit 70 by the end of Nagrand if you were able to run several instances in the process. I came close with my first character right when BC opened without rested XP and made it with the others with rested. You do need to do all of Hellfire, Zangarmarsh, Terrokar and Nagrand. The thing I have noticed now making my third trip through Northrend is that you can’t do grand quest circuits like you could in Outland. Most of the quests are chains that open sequentially. I can recall heading to any of the early Outland hubs and picking up 8-12 quests and then running a circle to turn them in. With Northrend, you tend to pickup two or four quests and then find a quest starting item while working that set and heading back to town to pick up two or four more quests. The back and forth travel cuts down on efficiency. Additionally, the zones are once again larger and frequently have terrain features or mob density that make quick travel problematic. While Howling Fjord is my preferred starting zone, that fjord really does add a whole lot of travel. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3500 "2009-07-31T16:40:21Z")
> [@dd0029](#): > > While Howling Fjord is my preferred starting zone, that fjord really does add a whole lot of travel. There is a lot of travel, but I’ll give it this: it’s _interesting_. I think back to old-world zones like Darkshore and Felwood and Stranglethorn that require a lot of travel, and they’re pretty boring on the main route. You don’t see much unless you actually go off the main path. Howling Fjord has really interesting geography and hotspots (like Ember Clutch, yuk yuk), unusual paths, and there’s always something to see while traveling. While Outland was grander than Azeroth and introduced some unusual scenery, it feels more like Azeroth than Northrend does so far. I’ve yet to see anything beyond Borean Tundra and Howling Fjord, but it feels _new_ and _different_ in a way that not even the prettiest and most unusual zones in Outland do. I’m sure I’m just seeing the advance in technology and refinement of ability from the designers, but it works well for me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=174) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=176)