# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 190
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3781 "2009-08-10T18:10:35Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > So it looks like this **Hg** mailed the stuff to me (why me?) and then deleted the character. My main is a miner, so I can use the stuff, but this is just … weird. I doubt it’s a gold seller, as they wouldn’t be trading in ore and stone. Remember that the Armory doesn’t show characters under level 10. The character probably isn’t deleted, it’s simply a lowbie. My guess is it’s a bank toon that was trading materials between his own toons or to someone else. Definitely hang onto the ore and stuff until you hear back, as I’m pretty sure it was a mistake, but if you don’t hear back after a while or find out that Hg really is deleted, sell it or do whatever. Their mistake, their loss. I would keep a list of what all was in the mail, just in case he comes back in two months and demands to know what happened to his stuff, though. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3782 "2009-08-10T18:11:09Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > I highly recommend this place to anyone who is thinking about getting into raiding. It’s not that hard (we 4-manned it several times when one of our DPS disconnected), and the gear is very, very nice. Oh yes, yes it is 🙂 Finally got an upgraded melee weapon when [Marrowstrike](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47522) dropped! And then got the [T8.5 helm](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46143) from running heroics and [this chest](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47251) from the new 25-man raid. I’ve never seen such a big boost to my DPS in one weekend! Happy hunter… ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3783 "2009-08-10T18:11:13Z")
Random note from yesterday: One of my guildies is starting a druid, and has him up to 10th level. He was kicked out of a RFC (Ragefire Chasm, the dungeon in Org) run because - he doesn’t have Ventrilo! (That’s a voice chat program for those who haven’t encountered it, aka “Vent”, typically used for raids and such.) Seriously. Vent for a lowbie dungeon. He managed to find a group that didn’t require it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3784 "2009-08-10T18:12:22Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Random note from yesterday: One of my guildies is starting a druid, and has him up to 10th level. He was kicked out of a RFC (Ragefire Chasm, the dungeon in Org) run because - he doesn’t have Ventrilo! (That’s a voice chat program for those who haven’t encountered it, aka “Vent”, typically used for raids and such.) > > Seriously. Vent for a lowbie dungeon. He managed to find a group that didn’t require it. 😉 That’s awesome. “LFM RFC. Must have Vent. Link Achiev”. Those troggs are serious business. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3785 "2009-08-10T18:14:26Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > So, is anyone else loving the new Trial of the Champion 5-man instance as much as I am? There is some _sweet_ gear in that place! I want to hit level 80 so bad. ☹ My Hunter is almost 75, but my partner may be coming back into the game soon, so I’ll be switching back to my 67 Paladin. Two steps forward, one step back. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3786 "2009-08-10T18:14:54Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > So, is anyone else loving the new Trial of the Champion 5-man instance as much as I am? The jousting is stupid (HAY GUYZ HERE’S THIS SHITTY VEHICLE MECHANIC AGAIN I KNOW IF YOU DO IT ENOUGH TIMES YOU’LL LOVE IT INSTEAD OF HATING IT), and the rest is a cakewalk. But the gear is good–I picked up a few new items for my off-spec set (DPS). > [@Mogle](#): > > The core problem is that the game currently does not offer enough rewards for running instances at lower levels, if anything Blizzard should give us more incentives to do dungeons properly, not less. IMO, the incentives are great–better XP and gear than you’d get from questing or grinding at the same level. My WAG is that it’s just harder to find groups because people are being run through instead of grouping with others at their level. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > My main on Lightbringer got mail from a character named **Hg** , who I don’t know. Only characters level 10+ show up on the Armory. My guess is that someone’s mule sent the items to the wrong character. My advice would be to send a mail to this Hg telling them that you received the items (which it appears that you’ve done), wait a week or two, and then use or sell the items as you see fit if you haven’t heard back. (This is a character in the guild that’s just you and your alts, right? Otherwise, check the Guild tab in your Social window, sorted by name, to see if Hg is there.) ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3787 "2009-08-10T18:18:29Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > IMO, the incentives are great–better XP and gear than you’d get from questing or grinding at the same level. My WAG is that it’s just harder to find groups because people are being run through instead of grouping with others at their level. Is this true (the XP thing)? I’d always heard that the best per-minute XP is straight questing. I guess it would be true with a good group that blows through the instance (and maybe runs it a few times once they have it down). But add in the waiting around and the (inevitable, eventually) wipes and I can’t see how its better XP than just questing. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3788 "2009-08-10T18:19:45Z")
Oh, and my crazy WoW weekend… I ran every single 80 Heroic in the game on Saturday. That’s what, 13 instance? I picked up a few new pieces of off-spec gear, as well as enough badges to get my first piece of 8.5, what my friend Corey calls my “sad goat chest.” There were a few Heroics I’d never gotten around to doing because I didn’t need the gear, so I finally got my Champion of the Frozen Wastes title. Then, to top it all off, I won the roll on the Bronze Drake from the timed CoS run. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3789 "2009-08-10T18:23:09Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Is this true (the XP thing)? I’d always heard that the best per-minute XP is straight questing. I guess it would be true with a good group that blows through the instance (and maybe runs it a few times once they have it down). But add in the waiting around and the (inevitable, eventually) wipes and I can’t see how its better XP than just questing. A \*\*good \*\*group won’t have the waiting or the wipes. You won’t have XP-per-hour of a runthrough by an 80, but a well-run at-level group is still probably going to net you much more XP (and definitely better gear) than an equivalent amount of time spent questing. The questing involves a lot of time spent in transit, not killing anything–whereas the mobs in the instance are all nice and concentrated, and they give extra XP because they’re elite. What questing \*\*will \*\*give you better XP than is straight-up grinding. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3790 "2009-08-10T18:25:31Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > That’s awesome. “LFM RFC. Must have Vent. Link Achiev”. > > Those troggs are serious business. Hee, my husband said “RFC iz srs biznis” in guild chat after the guy mentioned being booted. From there it went to comments about gear checks and such. Regarding the ToC instance, on Saturday my husband and I got into a guild group and did the heroic, then ground the heck out of the regular instance for hours. I tanked the heroic as my sorta-equipped druid and am much better equipped now, including getting that lovely tanking trinket, [The Black Heart](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47216), on normal. Sunday we tried the heroic again, and failed repeatedly. Most of the same people were there, but we didn’t have our “thunder chicken” (Moonkin) along, I played my priest, the DK tanked instead of dps’d, and my husband went as his DK rather than his (healing) shaman; the rest of the group was the hunter from the day before (the DK’s wife) and another hunter. We switched out my priest for my warlock, and my husband’s DK for his shaman, to deal with the poison. Still failed repeatedly. The hunter-married-to-the-DK said that we needed root to force the rogue NPC to stay away from the group (which causes more poison problems), and the missing moonkin was the problem. I don’t even know if root works on her. Meanwhile, my husband thinks the problem was the hunters standing (repeatedly) in the green poison cloud, and the DK running further away from the healer and the totems when he would move out of the cloud. I’m biased because I’m also mostly a healer, but I tend to agree with a healer’s perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3791 "2009-08-10T18:37:48Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Regarding the ToC instance, on Saturday my husband and I got into a guild group and did the heroic, then ground the heck out of the regular instance for hours. I tanked the heroic as my sorta-equipped druid and am much better equipped now, including getting that lovely tanking trinket, [The Black Heart](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47216), on normal. > > Sunday we tried the heroic again, and failed repeatedly. Most of the same people were there, but we didn’t have our “thunder chicken” (Moonkin) along, I played my priest, the DK tanked instead of dps’d, and my husband went as his DK rather than his (healing) shaman; the rest of the group was the hunter from the day before (the DK’s wife) and another hunter. We switched out my priest for my warlock, and my husband’s DK for his shaman, to deal with the poison. Still failed repeatedly. The hunter-married-to-the-DK said that we needed root to force the rogue NPC to stay away from the group (which causes more poison problems), and the missing moonkin was the problem. I don’t even know if root works on her. Meanwhile, my husband thinks the problem was the hunters standing (repeatedly) in the green poison cloud, and the DK running further away from the healer and the totems when he would move out of the cloud. I’m biased because I’m also mostly a healer, but I tend to agree with a healer’s perspective. Sounds like your problem was with the second half of the first phase (with the three faction champions)? I’ve done the heroic maybe 4 times now and it really makes a big difference which ones you get. I assume you had a kill order marked and being followed? If people are dying to the poison cloud then that is _definitely_ a problem 🙂 We’ve certainly never used any CC on this phase. If you have the healer (Shaman) up you should try to be interrupting his heals (I believe they are all interruptable). I think the general priority should be Shaman \> Mage \> Warrior \> Rogue \> Hunter. At least that’s how we’ve been handling it. Oh, and that tanking trinket is badass. Grats. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3792 "2009-08-10T18:38:18Z")
For anyone who doesn’t follow WoW Insider, they just reported a leak of the new races in the next expansion. (SPOILER)[Link](http://www.wow.com/2009/08/10/cataclysm-races-leaked/)(SPOILER) They’re closemouthed about their source, but I’ve found WoW Insider to be pretty darn reliable. If they’re satisfied with the veracity of the info, so am I. Blizzard will be announcing the expansion info at Blizzcon this month anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3793 "2009-08-10T18:44:12Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Well this is very curious … > > My main on Lightbringer got mail from a character named **Hg** , who I don’t know. The mail had no text, but attached were four full stacks of Saronite Ore, partial stacks of Copper Ore, Iron Ore, and Tin Ore, and assorted types of stone. > > I assumed this stuff had been sent to me by mistake (maybe a typo when entering the intended recipient’s name), so I left the stuff in the mailbox and wrote back to **Hg** , asking if they meant to send it to me, and letting them know I’d hold onto it until I heard back. > > Later, on a whim, I decided to look up **Hg** on the Armory. There were 29 different characters named Hg, but none of them were on Lightbringer. The character name (isn’t Hg the symbol for helium or hydrogen?) suggested maybe a goldseller, but the 29 **Hg’s** showing on the Armory are all at least lvl 10, with the highest being lvl 79, so I’ve no reason to assume that the **Hg** who mailed me was some lvl 1 scammer. > > So it looks like this **Hg** mailed the stuff to me (why me?) and then deleted the character. My main is a miner, so I can use the stuff, but this is just … weird. What you can do is add **Hg** to your friends list. If the toon has been deleted, you’ll be alerted that no character by that name exists. If you’re able to add it, you’ll see his level, as well as being able to tell when he’s online and can thus just whisper him directly, rather than waiting for a couple months to determine what to do with the stuff. Oh, and Hg = Mercury 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3794 "2009-08-10T18:44:29Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > For anyone who doesn’t follow WoW Insider, they just reported a leak of the new races in the next expansion. (SPOILER)[Link](http://www.wow.com/2009/08/10/cataclysm-races-leaked/)(SPOILER) > > They’re closemouthed about their source, but I’ve found WoW Insider to be pretty darn reliable. If they’re satisfied with the veracity of the info, so am I. Blizzard will be announcing the expansion info at Blizzcon this month anyway. Can you summarize? I can’t go to WoWinsider (or any primarily gaming website) here at work. Spoiler if you feel the need. New races always make me feel all tingly inside. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3795 "2009-08-10T18:45:35Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Sounds like your problem was with the second half of the first phase (with the three faction champions)? I’ve done the heroic maybe 4 times now and it really makes a big difference which ones you get. I assume you had a kill order marked and being followed? If people are dying to the poison cloud then that is _definitely_ a problem 🙂 We’ve certainly never used any CC on this phase. > > If you have the healer (Shaman) up you should try to be interrupting his heals (I believe they are all interruptable). > > I think the general priority should be Shaman \> Mage \> Warrior \> Rogue \> Hunter. At least that’s how we’ve been handling it. Yeah, we reset the instance once to try to get a better group of champions, and used the kill order you listed. IIRC, the first selection was shaman, warrior, rogue; the DK complained that the warrior would charge him and knock him out of healing range/whatever each time he tried to move from the poison cloud. Second time was shaman, mage, rogue - mage kept nuking the crap out of our shaman. The DK also complained that he had only one interrupt. Yes, green cloud death is definitely a problem. I didn’t see it the first time I ran the instance, the day before on the heroic, on my bear-druid and had to turn up my spell effects on my crummy comp - the DK is the one who told me about that. We finally quit; there are only so many repair bills - and times that you can say “hunters, don’t stand in the cloud” - before you get sick of it. We did have one really weird effect - at one point the hunter misdirected to her husband (tanking DK) and the shaman NPC actually went off on **her** immediately. I even saw my Big Brother mod report the misdirect had happened appropriately, so that was weird. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3796 "2009-08-10T18:45:39Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > For anyone who doesn’t follow WoW Insider, they just reported a leak of the new races in the next expansion. (SPOILER)[Link](http://www.wow.com/2009/08/10/cataclysm-races-leaked/)(SPOILER) > > They’re closemouthed about their source, but I’ve found WoW Insider to be pretty darn reliable. If they’re satisfied with the veracity of the info, so am I. Blizzard will be announcing the expansion info at Blizzcon this month anyway. This matches the rumors that have been circulating. And might just make me roll an Alliance toon… Alliance = Worgen Horde = Goblin ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3797 "2009-08-10T18:47:27Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > This matches the rumors that have been circulating. And might just make me roll an Alliance toon… > > Alliance = Worgen > Horde = Goblin No, that is clearly good news for the Horde. 😉 I deleted a lvl 30 pally on my server list just to free up a slot for my new Hordeling. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3798 "2009-08-10T18:50:08Z")
**Jas09** has the races in the spoiler. My own thoughts: [spoiler]I think they’re kind of odd choices, but also compelling. Apparently Undermine, home of the goblins, is on an island near the Maelstrom, so if the next expansion focuses on the Maelstrom, they’re a natural choice. Then, of course, there’s Gilneas, hidden behind that gate in Silverpine Forest. I made a pilgrimage the other day just to see the gate. The idea of it opening and worgen pouring forth to aid the Alliance is really neat. Also, has anyone else noticed that huge gate in Stormwind Harbor near the boat to Northrend? They’re clearly planning to open up the area between Stormwind and Dun Morogh eventually, and it’s possible that will come with Gilneas, to give the lowbie worgen someplace to play other than Silverpine.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3799 "2009-08-10T18:53:25Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I would keep a list of what all was in the mail, just in case he comes back in two months and demands to know what happened to his stuff, though. Yeah, I’m gonna leave it in the mailbox for now - that will hold it for 30 days (and I have no room in my personal or guild banks for the stuff ATM either). > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Only characters level 10+ show up on the Armory. My guess is that someone’s mule sent the items to the wrong character. My advice would be to send a mail to this Hg telling them that you received the items (which it appears that you’ve done), wait a week or two, and then use or sell the items as you see fit if you haven’t heard back. (This is a character in the guild that’s just you and your alts, right? Otherwise, check the Guild tab in your Social window, sorted by name, to see if Hg is there.) Yeah, this is on Eilyssana, my main, who is in my vanity guild (Order of The Rik). Interestingly, my Eilyssana seems to be the _only_ Eilyssana in the entire game, on all servers, at least according to the Armory (so I suppose there may be one or more lower than lvl 10). ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3800 "2009-08-10T18:55:41Z")
I too had some serious gaming going on this weekend as well…in Vegas. Maybe I will find my way back in tonight after Yeti Jr. hits the sack (school night). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=189) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=191)