# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 191
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3801 "2009-08-10T19:02:31Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > **Jas09** has the races in the spoiler. My own thoughts: > > I think they’re kind of odd choices, but also compelling. Goblins for the Horde I’ve seen rumored a fair amount, and makes sense. It goes further in making the Horde and Allies similar to each other - the Horde now has a small, annoying race, probably with a magic focus, and the Allies now have big furries. I’d kind of expected the Allies to pick up Furbolgs, but Worgen work as well. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3802 "2009-08-10T19:07:15Z")
Oh, hey, here’s a PUG story: wound up running SM Cathedral in a group with 3 priests (levels 34, 35, and 38 i think) and a 42 Druid tanking. There was also a shammy along, but whatevs. It was crazy fun - the tank was in serious overdrive mode, zooming off to the next group as the first group was falling over, and we were all sort of trailing behind him, alternately shielding him, throwing heals on him, spraying dots all over the place, shooting wands in random directions, and occasionally firing off holy novas just for the sheer joy of it. Occasionally one of us would sit out a fight sequence because we were oom and drinking, and it really didn’t even slow anything down. We wiped once when towards the back of the cathedral a runner ran off directly towards the final boss, but even with that it was the most fun I’ve had in a WoW instance run. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3803 "2009-08-10T19:13:06Z")
Ooh…the rumored races sound cool! And the reasoning is right…Gilneas is one of the few pieces of land big enough for a newbie zone that isn’t currently in play. All the rest are either Hyjal or tiny, weirdly-shaped odds and ends in the middle of mountain ranges between current zones or little strips of beach behind the coastal mountains. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3804 "2009-08-10T19:18:02Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Ooh…the rumored races sound cool! And the reasoning is right…Gilneas is one of the few pieces of land big enough for a newbie zone that isn’t currently in play. All the rest are either Hyjal or tiny, weirdly-shaped odds and ends in the middle of mountain ranges between current zones or little strips of beach behind the coastal mountains. Well, they could always open up Pandaria :). ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3805 "2009-08-10T19:21:24Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > **Yeah** you _do!_!🙂 > > Your life consists of helping poor, mentally challenged pissants like **ME**! > > When you ain’t busy levelin’ your own self, that is! > > Thanks! > > Quasi/Bill/Wolkie/Silka:) Going to have a couple days hiatus, at 5pm I’m headed to pick up mrAru to head over to a hotel in New Haven as I have a 7 am tee off with my surgical oncologist. I know I will be staying overnight at a minimum, more days depending on what he finds after rummaging around inside. At least I will not need a colonoscopy for a couple years and I may or may not still have an appendix … though it has never given me any issues in the past 😃 [we prefer to spend a night in a hotel next to Yale-New Haven hospital instead of fighting traffic at some ungodly hour of the morning.] So try not to die too many times, or get lost in Barrens until I get back and maybe Ill drag you into the Hinterlands to kill big birds. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3806 "2009-08-10T19:22:44Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Well, they could always open up Pandaria :). It saddens me that Pandaria will never happen. It’s an April Fool’s joke Blizzard’s tolerated but will never take seriously. A shame, because a neutral race would be really neat. A true neutral race would be best, where they’re on their own side but can team with either Horde or Alliance. Failing that, a race with a starting zone like DKs, where they choose whether they go Horde or Alliance at the end of an intro story, would be just as good. I know Blizzard never will do anything like that due to the hard wall they want to maintain between the Alliance and Horde, including player silhouettes for PVP, but it’d be such a neat addition. ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3807 "2009-08-10T19:25:15Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Yes, because often it is easier/more efficient to farm gold and buy whatever materials you need. Right so not much would change for the AH. It’ll still be easier to farm gold then to run instances for alts. It’ll have an impact I’m sure but it won’t suddenly destroy the economy. > [@](#): > > The core problem is that the game currently does not offer enough rewards for running instances at lower levels, if anything Blizzard should give us more incentives to do dungeons properly, not less. Obviously BoP items aren’t doing it though. Why keep something that’s just awkward? Why can’t my main give some decent items he can’t use to another character in my account? > [@](#): > > You’re the one who wants to make it possible, I just want to know if you’re willing to accept all the consequences. I tremble in fear of these consequences you speak of. In all seriousness though if they tried it and it turned into a huge screw up they can always change it back. > [@](#): > > As far as I’m concerned if you want something with a character you go there and get it with that character. What about what happened to me? I wasn’t even in an instance when I got a world drop BOP that was totally useless to my main but would have been perfect for my alt. This was simply idiotic. I couldn’t even vendor it for cash. Instead of a moment of ‘wow what LUCK!’ it was a moment of “What the hell? I guess I’ll never see that pattern again”. > [@Shot from Guns](#): > > Getting rid of Soulbinding would ruin the WoW economy and make it even harder than it already is to find at-level groups for existing instances. I’m not saying get rid of soulbinding. I’m saying change Bind on Pickup to Bind to Account. And I wouldn’t mind having an ability to send soulbound items to my enchanter for scrapping. Though that’s another can of worms altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3808 "2009-08-10T19:26:21Z")
**aruvqan** , have, um, “fun”? I guess? > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Meanwhile, my husband thinks the problem was the hunters standing (repeatedly) in the green poison cloud, and the DK running further away from the healer and the totems when he would move out of the cloud. You and your husband were right. What is so hard about running out of the green shit on the ground? Seriously. Move out of it and it stops hurting you. You don’t need to run across the whole arena–just step out of the vile cloud of green death. > [@Darwins\_Finch](#): > > If you’re able to add it, you’ll see his level Did they change that? IIRC, you can’t see the level of someone on your friends list unless they’re online at the time. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > ]Interestingly, my Eilyssana seems to be the _only_ Eilyssana in the entire game, on all servers, at least according to the Armory (so I suppose there may be one or more lower than lvl 10). There could also be one or more on the EU servers. I was the only US Sleutel for a long time (until some jerk Belf mage stole my name), but there are quite a few EU ones. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > There was also a shammy along, but whatevs. It was crazy fun - the tank was in serious overdrive mode, zooming off to the next group as the first group was falling over I love it when there’s a good group and we can just chain-pull. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3809 "2009-08-10T19:33:38Z")
> [@Darkhold](#): > > I’m not saying get rid of soulbinding. I’m saying change Bind on Pickup to Bind to Account. And I wouldn’t mind having an ability to send soulbound items to my enchanter for scrapping. Though that’s another can of worms altogether. 1.) Account-Bound vs. Soulbound would still mean a big hit to the economy. It would also introduce all the aforementioned problems of, “But my alt can use this!” 2.) Allowing you to send soulbound items to your chanter would also harm the economy, because it would create an influx of higher-level mats. If you want to DE things on a character, make that character an Enchanter. Otherwise, you are choosing to give up that benefit in exchange for the benefits of whatever other professions that character has. Personally, the only change I’d wish for is to make Soulbound items able to be held, but not equipped, by other characters on your account. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3810 "2009-08-10T19:41:52Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Personally, the only change I’d wish for is to make Soulbound items able to be held, but not equipped, by other characters on your account. Yes, this. Or, alternatively, Blizz: GIVE US MORE BANK SPACE!!! There’s that whole empty line of space below the current row of bag slots in the bank vault–give us another one! I’m sure I’m not the only person who hangs onto mementos from old raids and whatnot, outdated tier sets, cool looking weapons…please give us something to do with them. Let us send them to alts for safekeeping, designate one alt as a “special” bank alt who can hold soulbound items…even if we have to designate an item as “inactive” when the alt has it…just do something. You keep giving us more content, but you don’t give us more places to put the stuff from it. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3811 "2009-08-10T19:44:22Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Well this is very curious … > > My main on Lightbringer got mail from a character named **Hg** , who I don’t know. The mail had no text, but attached were four full stacks of Saronite Ore, partial stacks of Copper Ore, Iron Ore, and Tin Ore, and assorted types of stone. > > I assumed this stuff had been sent to me by mistake (maybe a typo when entering the intended recipient’s name), so I left the stuff in the mailbox and wrote back to **Hg** , asking if they meant to send it to me, and letting them know I’d hold onto it until I heard back. > > Later, on a whim, I decided to look up **Hg** on the Armory. There were 29 different characters named Hg, but none of them were on Lightbringer. The character name (isn’t Hg the symbol for helium or hydrogen?) suggested maybe a goldseller, but the 29 **Hg’s** showing on the Armory are all at least lvl 10, with the highest being lvl 79, so I’ve no reason to assume that the **Hg** who mailed me was some lvl 1 scammer. > > So it looks like this **Hg** mailed the stuff to me (why me?) and then deleted the character. My main is a miner, so I can use the stuff, but this is just … weird. The new autocomplete in the mailbox interface appears to pick up more than just your friends and guildies - for me it starts listing people near me, or names from chat channels as I’m typing in a name. A misguided mouse click and suddenly you’re mailing from your bank toon to some random person, instead of your crafter. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3812 "2009-08-10T19:55:30Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > The new autocomplete in the mailbox interface appears to pick up more than just your friends and guildies - for me it starts listing people near me, or names from chat channels as I’m typing in a name. A misguided mouse click and suddenly you’re mailing from your bank toon to some random person, instead of your crafter. Also, (though it certainly wouldn’t apply to Mister Rik’s character) I’ve tried to send mail to people as if the old autocomplete was still on - by typing in the first three letters of the name and then clicking “send”. Fortunately, so far I haven’t actually sent anything to the wrong person. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3813 "2009-08-10T19:56:56Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > So try not to die too many times, or get lost in Barrens until I get back and maybe Ill drag you into the Hinterlands to kill big birds. You just take care of Ms. **Aruvqan**! 🙂 I have **SFG** , **jayjay** , **Mister Rik** , **Mogle** ,\*\* Bosstone\*\* (if I left anyone out, consider the source, please!) to keep me out of trouble. And, as the conductor (Tom Hanks) said to the little girl in _Polar Express_: “I’d follow you anywhere, young lady!” Bill/Quasi/Wolkie/Silka ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3814 "2009-08-10T20:06:21Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > The new autocomplete in the mailbox interface appears to pick up more than just your friends and guildies - for me it starts listing people near me, or names from chat channels as I’m typing in a name. A misguided mouse click and suddenly you’re mailing from your bank toon to some random person, instead of your crafter. If you do accidentally mail something to the wrong person, is there any way of finding out where it went? There doesn’t appear to be any sort of mail archive. I had an embarrassing situation arise when a guildie sent me some stuff to disenchant. I opened the email, pulled the gear out (which deleted the email), disenchanted everything, and then _forgot who sent me the stuff_. There’s nothing like the caller ID history list on the phone that lets me see who the last dozen people were to send me mail. I ended up having to announce it in guild chat until someone said, “yeah, that was me.” ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3815 "2009-08-10T20:17:33Z")
> [@Darkhold](#): > > Right so not much would change for the AH. It’ll still be easier to farm gold then to run instances for alts. It’ll have an impact I’m sure but it won’t suddenly destroy the economy. Wool is wool, it doesn’t matter how you get it. The gear that you can pick up from instances is better than what you’ll find on the ah. > [@](#): > > Obviously BoP items aren’t doing it though. Why keep something that’s just awkward? Why can’t my main give some decent items he can’t use to another character in my account? No, but removing BoP would kill any chance of fixing it. And it isn’t really awkward, Soulbound has been working just fine for more than four years. > [@](#): > > What about what happened to me? I wasn’t even in an instance when I got a world drop BOP that was totally useless to my main but would have been perfect for my alt. This was simply idiotic. I couldn’t even vendor it for cash. Instead of a moment of ‘wow what LUCK!’ it was a moment of “What the hell? I guess I’ll never see that pattern again”. Which pattern was it? Of the top of my head I can only think of one, and that can at least be vendored. But this is really an issue with that specific pattern, not soulbound as a whole. At rate they kind of fixed it in the Burning Crusade so you won’t see BoP patterns drop unless you can use them. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > A \*\*good \*\*group won’t have the waiting or the wipes. You won’t have XP-per-hour of a runthrough by an 80, but a well-run at-level group is still probably going to net you much more XP (and definitely better gear) than an equivalent amount of time spent questing. The questing involves a lot of time spent in transit, not killing anything–whereas the mobs in the instance are all nice and concentrated, and they give extra XP because they’re elite. Keyword here is _good_, usually I’m happy if the group doesn’t fall apart half way through because someone throws a hissy fit or leaves because his dinner is ready. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3816 "2009-08-10T20:19:29Z")
> [@InvisibleWombat](#): > > I had an embarrassing situation arise when a guildie sent me some stuff to disenchant. I opened the email, pulled the gear out (which deleted the email), disenchanted everything, and then _forgot who sent me the stuff_. There’s nothing like the caller ID history list on the phone that lets me see who the last dozen people were to send me mail. I ended up having to announce it in guild chat until someone said, “yeah, that was me.” Whenever I send stuff to another player, I always add a note to the mail. The mail _does not disappear_ if there’s text, but it will if it’s only items or money. It’s an extra step to delete the note if it’s not necessary, but it does add permanence to the mail which can be helpful, like in that situation. So I’d blame your guildmate. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3817 "2009-08-10T20:19:46Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > The new autocomplete in the mailbox interface appears to pick up more than just your friends and guildies - for me it starts listing people near me, or names from chat channels as I’m typing in a name. A misguided mouse click and suddenly you’re mailing from your bank toon to some random person, instead of your crafter. Does anyone else hate the new autocomplete? I liked the old one–you could start typing in a name, and if it was a guildie or on your friends list, it would autocomplete, you hit Enter and were one your way. Now it drops a drop-down list, _doesn’t_ autocomplete, and you can’t even use the arrow key to move down the drop-down list. You actually have to _click_ on the name. I don’t like it at all. I wish they’d go back to the old way. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3818 "2009-08-10T20:21:26Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > Does anyone else hate the new autocomplete? I liked the old one–you could start typing in a name, and if it was a guildie or on your friends list, it would autocomplete, you hit Enter and were one your way. Now it drops a drop-down list, _doesn’t_ autocomplete, and you can’t even use the arrow key to move down the drop-down list. You actually have to _click_ on the name. I don’t like it at all. I wish they’d go back to the old way. Actually, you can. When the box of names appears, hit Tab. The first name in the list will be highlighted, then you can use the arrow keys to page through and hit Enter to enter the name. That said, I prefer the old autocomplete too, especially for sending things between my toons. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3819 "2009-08-10T20:22:29Z")
My own thoughts: I need more spaces dagnabit! ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/3820 "2009-08-10T20:23:29Z")
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