# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 206
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4101 "2009-08-19T14:57:58Z")
Also, you can buy Alterac Swiss in Freewind Post (Horde Thousand Needles FP). ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4102 "2009-08-19T15:01:19Z")
You can get the Giant Eggs of the Searing Rocs in the SW corner of Tanaris )flying around a bone heap). You can get the zesty clam meat from the turtles on the coast of Tanaris. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4103 "2009-08-19T15:16:51Z")
[QUOTE=Shot From Guns] I’m curious why you say +AP instead of +Agi. For Hunters (this is a Hunter, right?), doesn’t Agi –\> AP? And Agi scales with things like Kings; AP doesn’t. [/QUOTE] True, on a point-for-point basis Agility is strongly preferred, and for a Survival hunter 1 AGI \> 2 AP. This is for a Beast Mastery hunter though, and they don’t have the talents that make AGI more than twice as good as AP. Since all gems have twice the AP as AGI, the advice I’ve generally seen is that only Survival hunters should socket for straight AGI (because of talents like [Lightning Reflexes](http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=24297) and [Expose Weakness](http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34503)), while BM and MM should socket for straight AP (although now apparently you can get enough ArPen on gear to make socketing for it a good idea for MM - they can get to 100% armor penetration with the right trinket proc). ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4104 "2009-08-19T15:28:00Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > You can get the Giant Eggs of the Searing Rocs in the SW corner of Tanaris )flying around a bone heap). You can get the zesty clam meat from the turtles on the coast of Tanaris. Also, if you’re willing to do a little traveling, the Moonkin in the Hinterlands drop Giant Eggs as well, and at least subjectively I found them to drop eggs more often and been more plentiful than those damn rocs, which hardly ever dropped eggs and were cleared out way too fast, forcing me to expend a lot of downtime on waiting for them to respawn. But the Hinterlands are across the world from Tanaris, so it may not be in your best interest. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4105 "2009-08-19T15:29:09Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Random fact: that used to be a required quest to train the next level of Cooking. (Master, I think, but it’s been so long I don’t recall for sure.) I do believe so. The orc shammy I mentioned earlier HAD to do the quest, IIRC. This was pre-BC. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4106 "2009-08-19T15:32:34Z")
I will second Bosstone’s suggestion of going to the Hinterlands to farm them if you can. Otherwise you try doing what I did and stumble across them in the AH for a rediculously low price 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4107 "2009-08-19T15:38:03Z")
Yeah, I already have all the clam meat I need (and more) from killing nagas in stranglethorn and turtles in the hinterlands, and a handful of eggs from owlbeasts in the hinterlands. I was planning on farming the rest of them off of the AH, if they’re not too expensive :). While I’m using you guys as a not-blocked-at-work wowhead, is that recipe one that just uses clam meat once you have it, or is it a westfall stew kind of multi-ingredient thing? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4108 "2009-08-19T15:38:42Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I do believe so. The orc shammy I mentioned earlier HAD to do the quest, IIRC. This was pre-BC. The quest being required to gain Artisan Cooking was as recent as pre-3.1, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4109 "2009-08-19T15:40:47Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > While I’m using you guys as a not-blocked-at-work wowhead, is that recipe one that just uses clam meat once you have it, or is it a westfall stew kind of multi-ingredient thing? Just one Zesty Clam Meat per Magnifique. Pretty good deal if you ask me, as it’s a great recipe for the level, and you can get a ton of Zesty off the Steeljaw Snappers at Steamwheedle Port. ETA: Although it appears to be bugged. It doesn’t seem to give the mana regen, and the attack power doesn’t translate to ranged attack power. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4110 "2009-08-19T15:43:39Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Then she needs to not run instances or raids where she needs to be able to see things on the ground. Sucks for her, but if she doesn’t like it, she can spend the $5 to upgrade her computer. Being in a group means you come prepared to be a help and not a hindrance, and that includes meeting minimal hardware requirements. We’re just going to yell at her in Vent, basically. She and her husband are unemployed, desperately searching for jobs, and squeaking by on charity from friends/family/their church, including friends who said “you need a stress outlet, we’re paying for your WoW accounts” in addition to real necessities. She’s playing on the cheapest laptop that WoW will run on, pretty much. Still, she should have told us, then we could have started yelling sooner. 🙂 (I know it’s kind of embarrassing to admit to, though.) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4111 "2009-08-19T15:44:00Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The quest being required to gain Artisan Cooking was as recent as pre-3.1, I believe. Yes, but my toon got it pre-BC. That’s all I was commenting on. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4112 "2009-08-19T15:45:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > :smack: Now I can’t stop staring at it… **HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:D:D:D:D** Thanks, **SFG**! Made my day you did, Mädchen! (hope that’s right!) ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4113 "2009-08-19T15:56:08Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I need a bit of fire mage clarification here… > > My draenei fire mage just hit level 22, and at the trainer I learned this new spell, “Scorch”. And … I’m afraid I’m just not seeing the point. > > Scorch > 41 Mana, 30 yd range > 1.5 sec cast > Scorch the enemy for 53 to 65 Fire damage. > > How is this such an improvement over … > > Fireball Rank 4 > 95 Mana, 35 yd range > 3 sec cast > Hurls a fiery ball that causes 89 to 122 Fire damage and an additional 12 Fire damage over 8 sec. > > … that I didn’t get to learn it until level 22? > > I mean, okay, ~half the damage for less than half the mana in half the cast time. I can see that maybe being useful in situation where an enemy is almost dead but you don’t have enough mana left for a Fireball or Fire Blast, but other than that … > 😕 > > I figure there’s got to be a well-considered reasoning behind this, but I’m not seeing it. The real bonus is the fire-tree talent Improved Scorch (4th tier - level 25) which debuffs the mob by making further fire spells do more dmg. After you get it, you will open up with 5xScorch then fireballs until the scorch debuff is almost up. (this is more for dungeons where you have a tank holding aggro) Speaking of - if you are doing dungeons get Omen2 addon (threat meter) the burst damage from fire mages will get crazy aggro. > [@](#): > > Also, anybody else annoyed by this cooldown they put on wand use in the 3.2 patch? I like to use my wand to knock off a mob’s last few HPs instead of spending mana on a spell that would be major overkill. I used to be able to hit my wand hotkey as soon as I finished casting my last spell, and immediately start shooting with the wand. Now there’s this global cooldown when I finish casting that makes me wait to start using the wand, which means the mob can get in at least one more hit on me before I shoot it. I restarted a mage and am trying to level frost, but yes, I find this totally annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4114 "2009-08-19T16:09:34Z")
I just saw your reply on Wolkie’s armor, and what you said about he’s mostly “intellect”? Do I need to go back to AH and buy LESSER stuff, or can you just tell me what YOU would do in my case? I always (whenever I level up) just buy the strongest armor/weapon available to Wolkie, but maybe that’s not correct? Sorry to be so dense! ☹ Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4115 "2009-08-19T16:14:12Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Yeah, I already have all the clam meat I need (and more) from killing nagas in stranglethorn and turtles in the hinterlands, and a handful of eggs from owlbeasts in the hinterlands. I was planning on farming the rest of them off of the AH, if they’re not too expensive :). > > While I’m using you guys as a not-blocked-at-work wowhead, is that recipe one that just uses clam meat once you have it, or is it a westfall stew kind of multi-ingredient thing? I did this quest last night! For completeness I’ll add that the provisioner in Caverns of Time Tanaris also sells Alterac Swiss. You need 5 Zesty Clam meat for one ‘meal’. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4116 "2009-08-19T16:21:12Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > I just saw your reply on Wolkie’s armor, and what you said about he’s mostly “intellect”? > > Do I need to go back to AH and buy LESSER stuff, or can you just tell me what YOU would do in my case? > > I always (whenever I level up) just buy the strongest armor/weapon available to Wolkie, but maybe that’s not correct? > > Sorry to be so dense! ☹ > > Thanks > > Q **Q** you’ll be wanting armour that improves the stat bonuses that help Warriors. Basically: - Strength = More attack power (you’ll hit things harder). - Agility = You’ll dodge better and have better armour - Stamina = More health so you’ll survive longer. any other bonus is wasted on you really, if you see a piece that has +20 Intellect and another that has only +10 Strength the piece with +10 Strength is better for you. Does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4117 "2009-08-19T16:37:52Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > I just saw your reply on Wolkie’s armor, and what you said about he’s mostly “intellect”? > > Do I need to go back to AH and buy LESSER stuff, or can you just tell me what YOU would do in my case? > > I always (whenever I level up) just buy the strongest armor/weapon available to Wolkie, but maybe that’s not correct? > > Sorry to be so dense! ☹ > > Thanks > > Q You do want the strongest armor and equipment, but there’s more to a piece of armor or a weapon than just the Armor value. Armor and weapons have stat bonuses, as well. What you want, as a warrior, is equipment with stat bonuses to STR(ength)(which increases your Attack Power (AP), AGI(lity)(which increases your chance to land a critical hit) and STA(mina)(which increases your Health). INT(elligence) and SPI(rit) are secondary or useless, depending. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4118 "2009-08-19T16:43:27Z")
**Q** also when you’re searching for armour pieces in the AH look out for ‘\ of the Bear’ (for example ‘Revenant Chestplate of the Bear’) as that means it has bonuses to Strength and Stamina. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4119 "2009-08-19T16:47:47Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > I just saw your reply on Wolkie’s armor, and what you said about he’s mostly “intellect”? > > Do I need to go back to AH and buy LESSER stuff, or can you just tell me what YOU would do in my case? > > I always (whenever I level up) just buy the strongest armor/weapon available to Wolkie, but maybe that’s not correct? > > Sorry to be so dense! ☹ > > Thanks > > Q At the lower levels you’ll mostly see stuff with a combination of Strength, Agility and Stamina. Like Martu wrote, those are the stats you should be looking at right now. When you get closer to lvl 50 or so and Outland, you’ll start running into other stats as well. I made a more comphrehensive list below if you ever want to check on an item to see if it has stats useful to you. Good stats Strength Stamina Agility Attack power Critical Strike Rating Hit rating Haste Rating Expertise Rating Armor Penetration Rating “Bad” Stats: Spirit Intellect Spellpower Spell penetration Restores X mana per Y seconds Some stats are better than others, but you don’t need to worry about that too much. The bad stats are harmless, but they also don’t help you in any meaningful way. I would take items “of the tiger” and “of the bear” primarily where you can find them, until you start running into more of the exotic stats nearer Outland. After that I’d look for items that have the most stats that are good for you. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4120 "2009-08-19T17:09:21Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Also, if you’re willing to do a little traveling, the Moonkin in the Hinterlands drop Giant Eggs as well, and at least subjectively I found them to drop eggs more often and been more plentiful than those damn rocs, which hardly ever dropped eggs and were cleared out way too fast, forcing me to expend a lot of downtime on waiting for them to respawn. But the Hinterlands are across the world from Tanaris, so it may not be in your best interest. Yup, absolutely correct. I limited my answer to the nearest, geographically speaking, sources that I was familiar with. The Searing Rocs in the sothwest seem to have a 1 in 4 or 5 drop rate. However, your mileage will most likely vary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=205) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=207)