# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 232
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4621 "2009-09-03T15:47:29Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > I wanted to add that if I could just **watch** someone playing WoW, and _see_ what y’all are trying to tell me, it might be a little easier for me to understand. Bwahahaha–this is exactly what I’ve wished I could do for you! I keep thinking, “Man, this would be so much easier if I could just have Quasi look over my shoulder why I show him how to do it.” 😃 > [@martu](#): > > I could be in Outland for the first time next week what do you guys suggest, go there immediately at 58 (which as I understand it is the earliest you can go there) or wait a level or two? 1.) XP and especially items are going to be \*\*much \*\*better from early Outlands than from late Vanilla Azeroth. 2.) There will also be a bit of a jump in difficulty. 3.) The skill required to loot some nodes, etc. will be slightly higher. (However, high-end Vanilla Azeroth nodes will also appear in low-level Outland zones.) So, if your gear doesn’t currently suck, and your professions are close to maxed, I’d say head to Outland right now. If you’re not sure, give it a try for a few hours and see how it goes. If the biggest problem is your gathering profession(s) but the questing is going fine, stay questing in Outland and just set some time aside for old-world farming runs to speed-level your gathering. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4622 "2009-09-03T15:58:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 3.) The skill required to loot some nodes, etc. will be slightly higher. (However, high-end Vanilla Azeroth nodes will also appear in low-level Outland zones.) Not for Mining, at least. There’s absolutely no Mithril or Thorium available in Outland. It’s purely Fel Iron, Adamantite, and Khorium. There’s some nodes for Herbalism, IIRC. The idea is that the flora and some fauna propagated to Outland as Azerothians started traveling there, but obviously minerals and metals can’t do the same. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4623 "2009-09-03T16:10:22Z")
Good to know. I was extrapolating from herbs to ores and skins, and apparently I was wrong. Do you know if the \*\*skill \*\*required to harvest them is the same? It seems odd that they’d give Herbalism a transition, but not Skinning or Mining, even if they had to do it with new items versus old ones. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4624 "2009-09-03T16:22:06Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Good to know. I was extrapolating from herbs to ores and skins, and apparently I was wrong. Do you know if the \*\*skill \*\*required to harvest them is the same? It seems odd that they’d give Herbalism a transition, but not Skinning or Mining, even if they had to do it with new items versus old ones. Nope. Fel Iron requires 300 Mining, which is kind of a pain in the ass, since unless you’re a hardcore miner you’ll reach Outland before hitting 300, which means you specifically have to go back to Azeroth for skillups. Skinning is less of a problem, as it’s determined by the level of the beast being skinned; since there’s level 58 creatures in HFP, you only need Skinning 290 to go there. Of course, if my experience on Cairne is any indication, as long as you skin every animal you kill, you’ll hit 300 weeeelllll before you’re ready for Outland. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4625 "2009-09-03T16:34:22Z")
Well, that jump with Mining is stupid. Serves me right for assuming Blizzard would actually be logical and consistent. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4626 "2009-09-03T16:57:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Bwahahaha–this is exactly what I’ve wished I could do for you! I keep thinking, “Man, this would be so much easier if I could just have Quasi look over my shoulder why I show him how to do it.” 😃 :)See? **That’s** why this whole thing is so awkward on BOTH sides! Not only am I having difficulty _retaining_ what you wonderful kiddos are writing here, but we are also “hamstrung” in that y’all are dealing with a weakened and deteriorating mind! I think the “monkey see, monkey do” method would work, I really do, but the problem is (as you said, **aruvqan** and **SFG** ) we’re too far apart geographically for y’all to be my tooters (intentional mispelling - just trying to “lighten up” a bit!:D) Thanks Q PS: Amberale is helping me set up the messed up action bars as I write this, so that , at least, will be better! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4627 "2009-09-03T17:00:05Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > we’re too far apart geographically for y’all to be my tooters I’ll be your tooter anytime–just send me some soy milk. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4628 "2009-09-03T17:07:44Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > sweet jebus yest getting the scholo key is a pain in the rump. If memory serves, you kill the guy in western plaguelands, then take a key fragment from him, then get some metal bars and something else in the AH or from a guildie, run it to um … gadgetzan to get a mold, then to the volcano in ungoro, then back to someone else, then back to gadgetzan then back to the original questgiver … _sob_ I have to do it on my character shortly, as soon as mrAru gets his character out of the baby zones and feels up to doing the stupid quest. I killed Araj the other night for a different quest Alas, Androhal so it’s great (no really) I have the pleasure again. Thanks all for the tips. I will get my mining up to 300 first I think then go to outland. Going on dedicated mining runs can be boring. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4629 "2009-09-03T17:11:43Z")
> [@Telperien](#): > > She’s specced Affliction and is level 22. Mind you, to me “squishy” might not mean the same thing as it does to other people, and I also am training myself to use Drain Life, which will keep me alive once I remember to use it. Drain Tanking only really starts to work after level 30 and you can get Soul Siphon and better gear with +spellpower. From then on it’s a breeze! ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4630 "2009-09-03T17:20:46Z")
Speaking of professions: I’ve kinda let my blacksmithing and my secondaries (cooking, fishing and first aid) take a “back seat” till I get a little more “time in grade” with **Wolkie’s** warrior skills. Do y’all think that’s okay for now? Also, I am pretty sure I saw a 21 level on horseback over in SH a couple of days ago. Yeah, I KNOW he might have been a **31** , and I missed it, but why would I _remember_ 21? What I mean is, it just kinda “screamed” out at me, because I had been looking forward to level 30 so much and getting **Silka** to train and ride her. I remember also that he was right across from SH at the vendors’ wagons, b/c I had gone there to drop off some crap? So whatcha think? **Could** a 21 have gotten himself a mount, or was he just a guard, and if so, isn’t that kind of unusual for a guard to be stopped at the vendors’ wagons? They’re NPC’s, right? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4631 "2009-09-03T17:21:32Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Going on dedicated mining runs can be boring. Personally, I kind of like it when I just want to chill out: put some music on, throw the Gatherer HUD up, and made circuits of the zone(s). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4632 "2009-09-03T17:24:19Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Speaking of professions: I’ve kinda let my blacksmithing and my secondaries (cooking, fishing and first aid) take a “back seat” till I get a little more “time in grade” with **Wolkie’s** warrior skills. Do y’all think that’s okay for now? Yup, that’s just fine! Nothing says you have to level your professions along with your character–do what’s convenient for you! > [@](#): > > **Could** a 21 have gotten himself a mount They changed it recently. Used to be you had to reach level 40 before you could get your last mount, then they dropped it to 30 (which is where it was when you got Silka), then most recently 20. Epic land riding (what you use to ride fast Silka) also didn’t used to be available until 60, and it got changed to 40 at the same time that the normal mount dropped to 20. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4633 "2009-09-03T17:25:26Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I’ll be your tooter anytime–just send me some soy milk. 😃 Oh, yeah! 😉 I KNOW about the “SOY SMELL”. “knock a buzzard off a shit wagon” - The late _wonderful_ **George Carlin** 😃 Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4634 "2009-09-03T17:26:27Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > You know, I have my bottom bar set up so autoattack with main weapon is in 1, then 2,3,4,5 and 6 are the attacks I use pretty much the most, then the bar above it has the 3 that affect ae, and the bar above that is my personal spells [boneshield, and magic shell, and the ghoul attack boost spell] so that when I fight, a lot of the time it is simply a matter of smashing what pops ready, sort of like: > > \23234 \ 23234\23234\ Yeah, what **aruvqan** ’s saying is for a DK, but I have similar setups for my toons. I even try and make sure that, for example, all my toons have the same key for the “ohshit” ability, the same key for the “pulling” ability, etc. That way when I’m on a toon I haven’t played in a while, muscle memory can make up for my brain’s “now how the heck did this one work?” 234 are my Most-Used things, 5 is Ohshit (for a warrior: taunt), 678 normally are area things (warrior: Demoralizing Shout, Thunderclap, on 8 she has something which isn’t for area). I also use a macro which is the same for each toon, set on button 2. It’s based on what used to be the Beastmaster Hunter’s One Button Macro. #showtooltip Myprettyspell /script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent(“UI\_ERROR\_MESSAGE”); /cast Myinstantspell /use 13 /use 14 /script UIErrorsFrame:RegisterEvent(“UI\_ERROR\_MESSAGE”) /cast [target=focus] Myprettyspell Where Myprettyspell is an actual skill; use 13 and use 14 attempt to trigger my trinkets (if either trinket isn’t usable, I erase that line); Myinstantspell is a skill that’s on a different cooldown than Myprettyskill (normally, this one is an instant; for the warrior it’s the other one that’s instant). The long lines try to hide error messages like “that trinket is in cooldown, you stoopit gnome;” I say try because lag lets the errors escape sometimes. For the warrior, in defense mode ( **Quasi** , you don’t have Devastate yet but you have Sunder Armor): #showtooltip Devastate /script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent(“UI\_ERROR\_MESSAGE”); /cast Cleave /use 13 /use 14 /script UIErrorsFrame:RegisterEvent(“UI\_ERROR\_MESSAGE”) /cast [target=focus] Devastate ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4635 "2009-09-03T17:26:41Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Speaking of professions: I’ve kinda let my blacksmithing and my secondaries (cooking, fishing and first aid) take a “back seat” till I get a little more “time in grade” with **Wolkie’s** warrior skills. > > Do y’all think that’s okay for now? > > Also, I am pretty sure I saw a 21 level on horseback over in SH a couple of days ago. > > Yeah, I KNOW he might have been a **31** , and I missed it, but why would I _remember_ 21? > > What I mean is, it just kinda “screamed” out at me, because I had been looking forward to level 30 so much and getting **Silka** to train and ride her. > > I remember also that he was right across from SH at the vendors’ wagons, b/c I had gone there to drop off some crap? > > So whatcha think? > > **Could** a 21 have gotten himself a mount, or was he just a guard, and if so, isn’t that kind of unusual for a guard to be stopped at the vendors’ wagons? They’re NPC’s, right? > > Thanks A patch or two ago, they lowered the level for getting a mount to 20. I believe it was after you hit 30, though, so you didn’t make yourself wait when you didn’t need to. They do send you a mail about riding, though, if you don’t go to the riding trainer immediately; I tested this with my warlock. She got to level 20 and I went on my merry way without going to the riding trainer, and a little while later, I got a mail from the trainer telling me to come get trained to ride. I didn’t have to go, though; warlocks are one of the classes who get a special mount in a spell with the riding training built in. Speaking of my warlock, she’s finally wearing a dress again. I got a pattern for a nice purple robe with better stats that the vest I’d been wearing and I sewed one up for her. I wouldn’t mind a purple hat to go with it. There’s an undead guy at the Sepulcher with a pointy purple hat I like. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4636 "2009-09-03T17:34:32Z")
Played my rogue some last night, and there’s one thing I’m getting a bit frustrated with: abilities not “firing”. I don’t know if it’s a bug, or if I’m just not timing things correctly, or what, but … I’ll be using, say, Sinister Strike to build up Combo Points. I’ll have enough Energy. I make sure I wait until the button does its little sparkle thing to show its cooldown is over. I bang the hotkey, _and nothing happens_. My little gnome just keeps right on auto-attacking. At least, all I see is the same auto-attack animation, no Energy is consumed, and I don’t get a Combo Point. I don’t know what’s going on. I can’t believe I’m simply missing my attacks that often, especially when I’m fighting a mob that is 2-3 levels lower than me. And it’s inconsistent. I’ll fight one mob and it’s stabbity-stabbity-stab-dead, then I’m fight another mob of the same kind and level, and now Sinister Strike just won’t go off. Occasionally the same thing happens with my warrior - I’ll have sufficient Rage, hit the key for a particular attack, and nothing happens, though the frequency of that happening is much lower than with my rogue. I never see this with mana-using classes; if I have sufficient mana and I hit the hotkey, the spell/ability goes off every time (whether it hits or not is another story, but at least the spell is going off). Anybody else have this trouble? ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4637 "2009-09-03T17:35:00Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > They changed it recently. Used to be you had to reach level 40 before you could get your last mount, then they dropped it to 30 (which is where it was when you got Silka), then most recently 20. Epic land riding (what you use to ride fast Silka) also didn’t used to be available until 60, and it got changed to 40 at the same time that the normal mount dropped to 20. “Mixed Emotions” about that, **SFG**. On the one hand, for someone like me, who had to struggle and needed a LOT of help to get to 30, lowering it to 20 all of a sudden kinda pisses me off. (Or as “pissed off” as a guy like me _can_ be, keeping in mind that I never would have _reached_ 30 if it hadn’t been for _you_ kids! :rolleyes:)) But then I can’t “mecker” too much, can I, because it allowed me to speed and armor **Silka** up some 😉 much earlier than normal. Aww, hell. Just transport my sorry ass to Azeroth! 😉 Tanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4638 "2009-09-03T17:48:38Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Druid Feral DPS gear is pretty much the same as Druid Feral tanking gear. DK gear is not. The DK thing is more analogous to a Warrior switching to Defensive stance and slapping on a shield. They are similar but not really the same. I think we all agree that tanks trinkets/jewelry are going to be very different. And while both specs are going to gear AGI and STA (I don’t recall seeing STR/STA leather gear but I could be mistaken), bears are going to gear for expertise, dodge, and other damage mitigation statistics while cats are going to gear for the hit cap and crit. Just like resto druids will pass on gear with “hit” on it, bears and cats will pass on gear with wasted itemization points. > [@](#): > > One of the stupidest things Blizzard ever did was keep gear that is used by ONE spec of ONE class and have it drop equally with DPS and tanking plate. :smack: My Resto druid generally doesn’t have much competition for healing gear either. In fact the only time my resto rolls against others is for trinkets, jewelry and tier gear. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4639 "2009-09-03T17:56:51Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > we’re too far apart geographically for y’all to be my tooters You’re quite a hike for me, and I’m in Atlanta. Maybe one weekend when the Mrs. is in a road-trip mood we can come your way. I’ve never (knowingly) met a fellow doper. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/4640 "2009-09-03T17:57:58Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Well, I know Maul, which is your primary damage dealer and threat generator as Bear, replaces your standard auto-attack for one hit, and the bear has a 3.5 second swing. So if you tap it after you attack, you have to wait ~3 seconds for it to kick in. It’s basically the same as the Warrior’s Heroic Strike. > > I agree that the Bear Form seems to have some trouble generating Rage. You do have Enrage available, which is like the Warrior’s Bloodrage, but I don’t like losing 27% of my armor in the middle of a fight. If you can remember to hit it before going into combat so that you start fighting right as the effect ends and you still have the Rage, it should work better. Slow, though. > > Personally, I find Cat works beautifully for 9 out of 10 situations. The only time I’ve fought as a caster since level 20 while soloing was when I was doing the Durotar lowbie quests for reputation and was hunting in the water by Sen’jin Village; Wrath was faster than swimming to the crabs in Cat form. Even with the modest armor Cat provides, I can still handle 2-3 enemies at a time, since they just die so fast. Only rarely do I need Bear form, although I suspect when I hit 40 and get Dire Bear it’ll be a lot more useful. I also used cat to level up but by the time you are 70 ish, you are better off killing 5 or 6 greens at a time in bear form with swipe and glyhed maul than you are killing yellows one or two at a time in cat form. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=231) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=233)