# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 253
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5041 "2009-09-15T21:01:53Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Don’t forget that there’s a portal between Sholazar and Ungoro–depending on where you are at the time, that might be faster. (Assuming you’ve done that quest chain, anyway–I think you have to unlock it.) I’ve used it, but I usually start in Dal anyway, so CoT is faster. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5042 "2009-09-15T21:03:52Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Don’t worry, you quickly get another buncha thousands of rep to get to neutral. > > ETA: Quickly, as in, in another quest or two in the same chain. > > ETA^2 - you should have gotten some kind of quest item that dropped off of one of the giants, or one of the firey dudes nearby, or something like that - I think it’s that quest that gets you to neutral. Yes, you’re right…ok, thanks for straightening me out on this. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5043 "2009-09-15T21:07:05Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Hey Tom, if your 80 is on Cairne, I could BS [Savage Saronite Bracers](http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=41354) for you (for free!), or you could go into our vault and grab [Ornate Saronite Bracers](http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=42723) just to get the achievement. **Tom** , did you want the saronite savage bracers? I can go make some and mail them to you if you do. ---
**Author:** ![shinto46](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@shinto46](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shinto46)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5044 "2009-09-15T21:08:18Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m also at the relative beginning of the ridiculously long grind of dailies for the venomhide mount (I’m hearthed in Silithus and I can move instantly to EK with my Death Gate). I have 3 baby teeth now. Only 2 1/2 weeks to go! Is that the dino mount from Un’Goro? I keep forgetting to start that. How long does it usually take? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5045 "2009-09-15T21:08:53Z")
Nah, I think I’ve looked at them on the AH and they’re not better than what I’ve got now. I’ll just have to run some heroics until I have enough Plot Tokens to buy the purples in Dalaran. ETA: That was in reply to Yeticus. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5046 "2009-09-15T21:13:21Z")
…and I didn’t, but I just wanted y’all to know there isn’t a **one** of you I wouldn’t have trusted to play **Wolkie** and **Silka** during the time (my vacation - NOW) I couldn’t have logged on. If any of y’all get the chance, take a look at ol’ **Wolkenlaufre** in the Armory, and let me know what you think. You _know_ I trust you kids! Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5047 "2009-09-15T21:14:47Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > That seems off to me. There weren’t \*\*any \*\*quest rewards, Heroic drops, badge items, or Naxx/OS/Maly drops? I can’t check Wowhead from work, so I’ll take your word for it. It does indeed appear off. Idol of Terror is ilvl 128, but WoWhead shows [Idol of the Plainstalker](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37573) (ilvl 138, but actually worse than Terror), [Perspicacious Attacks](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38365) (150), [Ravenous Beast](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40713) (200), and [Worship](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39757) (213), all of which appear to be added before or on patch 3.1. ETA: Unless **Mogle** was talking about a **direct** upgrade to Terror, as in “Your Mangle has a chance to grant X Agility for Y sec.” In which case he’s right. But there were definitely options for Feral idols. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5048 "2009-09-15T21:19:36Z")
> [@shinto46](#): > > Is that the dino mount from Un’Goro? I keep forgetting to start that. How long does it usually take? At the very least, 20 days. There’s a preliminary quest, where you have to get splashed by venomhide blood 20 times. That took me about fifteen minutes. Then you have to go get venomhide eggs from the nests…that took about five. Then you get a hatchling, and you have to acquire 20 raptor baby teeth from it (after it loses twenty baby teeth, then it’s an adult). The baby teeth you get one at a time, as quest rewards for a _daily_. You will also need 20 rugged leather and 20 runecloth, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5049 "2009-09-15T21:20:34Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Don’t forget that there’s a portal between Sholazar and Ungoro–depending on where you are at the time, that might be faster. (Assuming you’ve done that quest chain, anyway–I think you have to unlock it.) Really? I need to take another look at that one. I thought the area you portaled to was technically in Ungoro but actually surrounded by unclimbable mountains. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5050 "2009-09-15T21:31:03Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Plot Tokens I’ve never heard that term before, but I think I like it. > [@Bosstone](#): > > But there were definitely options for Feral idols. I read this as “options for Feral idiots,” and was all ready to say, “Hey now, Bosstone, there’s no reason to be rude about it.” :smack: :o > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I thought the area you portaled to was technically in Ungoro but actually surrounded by unclimbable mountains. I haven’t jumped through the portal recently, but I’m pretty sure you can get down into the basin. Could be wrong, though. > [@jayjay](#): > > At the very least, 20 days. It’s an interesting tradeoff in style between the Alliance Wintersaber and the Horde Venomhide Ravasaur. The Horde mount requires daily quests, each one of which doesn’t take very long, but which require the process to take at least as many days as you need turn-ins. The Alliance mount, on the other hand, requires repeatable quests, but with no restriction as to how many times you can do them per day, so you could theoretically grind the whole thing in a day or two, assuming you did nothing but grind the quests (I think it’s something like 16 hours of work, total). Personally, I wish both factions would offer you the choice between both “tracks”: that way, people who want to grind it out quickly can do so, but those of us who’d rather just put in a small investment each day over a longer period have that option, instead of making all Horde do it one way and all Alliance the other. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5051 "2009-09-15T21:31:52Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > It does indeed appear off. Idol of Terror is ilvl 128, but WoWhead shows [Idol of the Plainstalker](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37573) (ilvl 138, but actually worse than Terror), [Perspicacious Attacks](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38365) (150), [Ravenous Beast](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40713) (200), and [Worship](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39757) (213), all of which appear to be added before or on patch 3.1. > > ETA: Unless **Mogle** was talking about a **direct** upgrade to Terror, as in “Your Mangle has a chance to grant X Agility for Y sec.” In which case he’s right. But there were definitely options for Feral idols. You missed [Idol of the Wastes](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38295)(green ilvl 146). 🙂 Anyway, I was talking about **tanking** idols, most of the ones you listed are dps idols. The only pre-Ulduar tank idol is the Idol of Perspicacious Attacks and it’s, well, junk. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5052 "2009-09-15T21:32:43Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I read this as “options for Feral idiots,” and was all ready to say, “Hey now, Bosstone, there’s no reason to be rude about it.” :smack: :o 😃 Hey, even though I’ve got Resto on the back burner, I’m full Feral kitty right now too. Just two more levels to Mangle! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5053 "2009-09-15T21:35:31Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Plot Tokens > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I’ve never heard that term before, but I think I like it. It’s a snarky term mainly used by fantasy fans to describe the kind of plot where the hero has to go visit every country named on the map in the inside front cover of the book and collect a Plot Token in each of them in order to complete the plot and destroy the Evil One (or whatever). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5054 "2009-09-15T21:38:17Z")
Personally, I persist in calling them badges (from the single tier of TBC token, Badge of Justice), even though everything in Wrath has been Emblems of various sorts, just so I can constantly say in my head, “Badges? We don’t need no stinking badges!” ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5055 "2009-09-15T21:38:46Z")
On TVTropes, it’s known as a [Plot Coupon](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.PlotCoupon). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5056 "2009-09-15T21:41:40Z")
Ah. I was wondering why I couldn’t google the term up on TVTropes. ---
**Author:** ![shinto46](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@shinto46](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shinto46)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5057 "2009-09-15T21:43:14Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > At the very least, 20 days. There’s a preliminary quest, where you have to get splashed by venomhide blood 20 times. That took me about fifteen minutes. Then you have to go get venomhide eggs from the nests…that took about five. Then you get a hatchling, and you have to acquire 20 raptor baby teeth from it (after it loses twenty baby teeth, then it’s an adult). The baby teeth you get one at a time, as quest rewards for a _daily_. You will also need 20 rugged leather and 20 runecloth, IIRC. Thanks! I wanted one of those for my warlock. Heading down after work! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5058 "2009-09-15T21:44:00Z")
The portal from Shalozar Basin to Un’Goro does indeed drop you in the mountains (a bit to the west of Marshall’s Refuge). But it’s an easy drop down into the crater – you just can’t get back up again. You can also only get the daily from your pet venomhide in Tanaris, Un’Goro or Silithius, so you can’t find out where the daily is first and then decide which portal to use. Of the three different dailies I’ve done, two are in Un’Goro and one in Tanaris. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5059 "2009-09-15T22:10:09Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > It’s a snarky term mainly used by fantasy fans to describe the kind of plot where the hero has to go visit every country named on the map in the inside front cover of the book and collect a Plot Token in each of them in order to complete the plot and destroy the Evil One (or whatever). My neice is playing a game called Pokemon that seems to work this way. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5060 "2009-09-15T22:49:17Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > The portal from Shalozar Basin to Un’Goro does indeed drop you in the mountains (a bit to the west of Marshall’s Refuge). But it’s an easy drop down into the crater – you just can’t get back up again. That’s active all the time after you turn it on? I’ve only tried to go there when required for quests - the one with Freya I think, and one with the new Oracle orphan quest chain. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=252) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=254)