# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 256
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5101 "2009-09-16T18:52:01Z")
> [@Telperien](#): > > Oh, yes. While I was doing stuff for the Forsaken at the Sepulcher, I got pwned several times by the Sons. I haven’t gone back there in a while, with the result that I still have quests there that I am now overleveled for. Ah, well, at least maybe this time I can get away from the Sons, should I meet them, before they eat my face. And there are MORE of them! There are only two elites in Ghostlands (not counting in [del]Mordor[/del] Deatholme), but there are (if I’m counting correctly) at least 8 of the Sons scattered throughout Silverpine (not counting inside SFK). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5102 "2009-09-16T19:07:35Z")
> [@Telperien](#): > > Ah, well, at least maybe this time I can get away from the Sons, should I meet them, before they eat my face. When I was doing my fire honoring and desecration for the summer festival, I stopped on my main (Night Elf Warrior) to kill the hell out of a Son of Arugal I rode by, in honor of my long-abandoned first character ever (Undead Warrior, created on the account of my boyfriend at the time), whose noob ass got introduced to what that gold dragon on a portrait means the hard way. That was the same toon where I found out about the Welcome Bears in WPL. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5103 "2009-09-16T19:08:46Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Of our three best healers, one is currently out dealing with a medical issue, What? Greater heal didn’t work? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5104 "2009-09-16T19:10:13Z")
Had fun on Isle of Conquest last night when I discovered the portal that took me to the blimp and hopped on one of the gun turrets and rained fire on my enemies…FOR 1,000,000 DAMAGE! \ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5105 "2009-09-16T19:11:58Z")
> [@InvisibleWombat](#): > > What? Greater heal didn’t work? 😃 He’s a Shammy. They’re much better at raid heals than single-target. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5106 "2009-09-16T20:08:00Z")
[Somewhere, a skinner is twitching…](http://www.massively.com/2009/09/15/one-shots-somewhere-a-skinner-is-twitching/) ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5107 "2009-09-16T22:07:45Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > That’s it. From the Bulwark, you have to go collect a bunch of Minion’s Scourgestones in WPL. (Note: you must wear the Argent trinket you’re given in order for the sourgestones to drop.) Ah, sounds like the quests the Argent Dawn hands out at Chillwind Camp for the Alliance. Done all that 🙂 > [@](#): > > I’m thinking we’ll do ST Saturday night, but I’m waiting to hear back from our normal healer (Mordrin). Cool. Couple things to keep in mind about me: I should be considered a complete and utter noob for the purpose of doing an instance in a group at-level. Just because I’ve never done it. I also don’t have Vent/headset/microphone. OTOH, I’ll be playing a ret pally, which is the same as my main over on the Alliance side, so I at least know how to kill stuff. She’s currently geared with the best stuff I’ve been able to buy on the AH. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Don’t get the Silverpine-hating. I like it because (1) it has 3 nice, coherent storylines going that pretty much all of the quests tie into and (2) more importantly, it’s NOT THE FRIGGIN’ BARRENS. > > Darkshore is one of three zones that I haven’t quested through at-level, the other two being Bloodmist Isle and the Badlands. (Oh, and the level 70 zones in Outland). My problems with both zones are mostly related to trying to run casters through them at-level. Were my head not shaved, I would have torn all my hair out while attempting some of the Silverpine quests with my undead mage - mainly the ones in and around that old castle on Fenris Isle. Too many mobs that respawn too quickly in relation to the frequency with which I kept running out of mana and having to stop and drink. I swear that every single time I ran out of mana, I would happen to be standing in just the right place for a mob I’d previously killed to respawn and immediately aggro on me. In Darkshore, meanwhile, there’s that thrice-damned “Absent-minded Prospector” quest — the first link in a lengthy chain — that is nearly impossible to solo at-level with a caster. The entire problem is mana management. 1) It’s an escort quest; 2) the NPC you have to escort wanders all over the place; 3) he aggros everything; 4) he’s extremely fragile; 5) he will not help you fight anything that attacks _you_ - he’ll just continue on his way, probably aggroing more mobs in the process; 6) you get no chance at all to stop and replenish your mana; 7) if you decide to give up and skip the quest, you miss out on the rest of the chain, and darn it, it’s an interesting chain! And the Hannelore/Marigold raid fun continues: [Part 3](http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1492) ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5108 "2009-09-16T22:20:34Z")
Heh. Pally fun in today’s [Ctrl+Alt+Del](http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20090916) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5109 "2009-09-17T01:09:34Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Cool. Couple things to keep in mind about me: I should be considered a complete and utter noob for the purpose of doing an instance in a group at-level. Just because I’ve never done it. I also don’t have Vent/headset/microphone. OTOH, I’ll be playing a ret pally, which is the same as my main over on the Alliance side, so I at least know how to kill stuff. She’s currently geared with the best stuff I’ve been able to buy on the AH. No problem! I’m a tank pally, Mordrin is a holy priest. Since we’re all over 50 ST should be pretty easy, depending on who we get to round out the group. And we don’t currently have a vent server anyway. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5110 "2009-09-17T08:08:47Z")
Thanks for all the new (to me at least) links to comics you guys have posted recently, my latest time sink to avoid a very dull code refactoring job… Last night was fantastic. Firstly the new kit is a monster and Windows 7 really is a joy, well done Microsoft. I am now at Ultra graphics settings and maximum resolution and, by the Light, the game is a beauty at these settings. We had a guild run to Stratholme to do the living side, this time we had an 80 druid with us which made it easy but it was still a lot of fun and we lost our newly respecced Holy pally (the guy I quest with all the time is my new pocket healer!) a few times, I really need to work on getting my threat back after a big heal. No good drops for me unfortunately but the achievements made up for it: Recent Achievements 10 (16/09/2009) Got My Mind On My Money 10 (16/09/2009) Level 60 10 (16/09/2009) Defeat the evil masterminds inhabiting Stratholme. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5111 "2009-09-17T16:23:27Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > In Darkshore, meanwhile, there’s that thrice-damned “Absent-minded Prospector” quest This is my favorite-hate quest in the entire game. If it were possible to make one video game character real, for the express purpose of bludgeoning them to death, it would be that asshole. The only toon I was able to solo this on at-level was my Hunter, and only by using the strategy of letting Remtravel (that was his name, right?) go first and aggro everything, then having my pet focus on one add while I downed the other myself. > [@martu](#): > > Recent Achievements > 10 (16/09/2009) Got My Mind On My Money > 10 (16/09/2009) Level 60 > 10 (16/09/2009) Defeat the evil masterminds inhabiting Stratholme. Grats! > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Heh. Pally fun in today’s [Ctrl+Alt+Del](http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20090916) 😃 Given the current state of Pally tanks, I 100% believe that that comic is grounded in absolute truth. WTB [Ardent Defender](http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31852). ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5112 "2009-09-17T16:29:39Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Given the current state of Pally tanks, I 100% believe that that comic is grounded in absolute truth. WTB [Ardent Defender](http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31852). ☹ Well, they’ve said class balancing goes through highs and lows for each class. It’s a decent compromise between the unfairness of letting one class dominate always and the impossibility of striking a perfect balance. I’m sure there’ll be a time when Warriors are OP again and Pallies are struggling. Really, though, at least for right now, fighting against the Scourge, Pallies _should_ be an awesome class. Them and Priests. When Cataclysm hits, Shammies should get the spotlight, and when the Emerald Dream expansion hits, Druids should be brought forward. And through it all, Warriors will endure. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5113 "2009-09-17T16:39:13Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Well, they’ve said class balancing goes through highs and lows for each class. It’s a decent compromise between the unfairness of letting one class dominate always and the impossibility of striking a perfect balance. I’m sure there’ll be a time when Warriors are OP again and Pallies are struggling. Oh, I know. But I highly doubt there will ever again come a time when Warriors are on top as tanks, simply because that was already how the world worked through vanilla and a good deal of TBC. The dev team’s perspective (per Ghostcrawler) pretty much seems to be, “Yeah, we fucked up by focusing on Warriors as tanks, so now we’re going to focus on making every one else more viable to ensure they’re seen as equally acceptable, and we don’t care if that puts Prot Wars SOL.” ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5114 "2009-09-17T16:47:36Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Oh, I know. But I highly doubt there will ever again come a time when Warriors are on top as tanks, simply because that was already how the world worked through vanilla and a good deal of TBC. The dev team’s perspective (per Ghostcrawler) pretty much seems to be, “Yeah, we fucked up by focusing on Warriors as tanks, so now we’re going to focus on making every one else more viable to ensure they’re seen as equally acceptable, and we don’t care if that puts Prot Wars SOL.” I hope that’s not the case. But I figure as long as every tanking class can actually do the job and no class actually becomes unable to fulfill their role (as in, Warriors don’t become suited only for tanking heroics and no higher, for example), then that’s more or less acceptable enough to me. I’ve been neglecting my Warrior for a while now. I rolled him intending to go Prot, then went Druid-crazy. I’ll go back to him when I get a heirloom or two, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5115 "2009-09-17T16:57:48Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > This is my favorite-hate quest in the entire game. If it were possible to make one video game character real, for the express purpose of bludgeoning them to death, it would be that asshole. The only toon I was able to solo this on at-level was my Hunter, and only by using the strategy of letting Remtravel (that was his name, right?) go first and aggro everything, then having my pet focus on one add while I downed the other myself. That quest was a cakewalk when I did it with a pally and with a warrior, and somewhat tougher but do-able with a druid. I think I managed it with my shammy as well. But my mage or priest? Fageddaboutit! The toughest spot for the classes I succeeded with was the last mob spawn - a caster mob and a melee mob, who immediately split up after they spawn and either of whom can kill Remtravel with two hits. And this is where Remtravel becomes even more maddening - his “won’t help you fight” goes to an extreme here. If you try to attack the mob that is attacking him (usually the melee mob) _he disengages and runs to attack the other mob_, and then immediately dies. With a pally, I think at this point in the quest I turned on Devotion Aura to boost Remtravel’s armor a bit, took out the caster with two hits, quickly healed Remtravel (who was almost dead) and then whacked the melee mob. Don’t remember what I did with my warrior or shammy. Druid revealed the strategy I’d need to use with my mage: as soon as those last two mobs spawned I rooted the melee mob and put a HoT on Remtravel, and then took out the caster before turning my attention back to the melee mob. So when I tried the quest with my mage, I planned to sheep the melee mob. Unfortunately, as previously mentioned, I couldn’t even get to that point because mana depletion/inability to drink would result in Remtravel getting killed long before that point. Same problem with the priest. Of course, there’s a certain amount of foolishness inherent in trying to solo the quest at-level. The quest _does_ recommend “[2] Players” after all. But I’ve never been able to find somebody to do it with me. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5116 "2009-09-17T16:59:19Z")
I haven’t played with a Druid tank in a very long time. Are they still viable? I only see warriors and pallies, and the occasional DK. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5117 "2009-09-17T17:07:46Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I hope that’s not the case. But I figure as long as every tanking class can actually do the job and no class actually becomes unable to fulfill their role (as in, Warriors don’t become suited only for tanking heroics and no higher, for example), then that’s more or less acceptable enough to me. It’s not that I think they’re deliberately \*\*nerfing \*\*Prot Wars: I just think they’re giving priority right now to tanking classes that have previously been overlooked, so the broken aspects to Warrior tanking just aren’t getting as much attention. Because while there \*\*are \*\*things that need fixing, we aren’t \*\*completely \*\*non-functional… just not \*\*as \*\*functional as, e.g., Pally tanks at the moment. I know we’ll be picking up some buffs and they’ll be picking up some nerfs (see the latest PTR patch notes, e.g.), but that doesn’t mean I can’t whine about the imbalance in the meantime. 😃 > [@Skammer](#): > > I haven’t played with a Druid tank in a very long time. Are they still viable? I only see warriors and pallies, and the occasional DK. Definitely viable! The low population seems to be a combination of factors. Some people seeing Druid tanks as boring to play, for example. Their excellent utility as switch-hitters (able to go from tanking to doing decent DPS just by changing from Bear to Cat, without having to drop combat to change spec or gear) also means that some people who want to exclusively tank will avoid them, because they’d rather be the boss tank than the add tank. (I’m deliberately avoiding the words “main tank” and “off tank” here because there are currently a number of fights where the “main” tank has the much easier job.) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5118 "2009-09-17T17:22:55Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I haven’t played with a Druid tank in a very long time. Are they still viable? I only see warriors and pallies, and the occasional DK. Did a heroic with a Druid tank the other day. Seemed to go fine. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5119 "2009-09-17T17:26:41Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I know we’ll be picking up some buffs and they’ll be picking up some nerfs (see the latest PTR patch notes, e.g.), but that doesn’t mean I can’t whine about the imbalance in the meantime. 😃 Fair enough. 😃 > [@](#): > > Definitely viable! I almost want to try tanking with me Druid. “I’m wearing leather armor. What’s your excuse?” I’ll probably wind up focusing on DPS and healz like most of Druids, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5120 "2009-09-17T17:36:20Z")
I have a [druid tank](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sen%27jin&n=Neeltje). Their advantages are boatloads of stamina/hp, and easy Defense capping (read: put 3 points in the Survival of the Fittest talent). My husband was playing his resto shaman and as we were running Heroic Azjol-Nerub, he kept “nagging” me to get hurt enough for him to need to heal me more. You get huge boosts to armor/health in bear form. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=255) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=257)