# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 293
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5841 "2009-10-09T15:37:18Z")
While I may not be able to post from work any more, I happen to have today off. Muahaha. šŸ˜ƒ > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > You know, you \*\*could \*\*just skip the lower-level stuff for now and come back to it once youā€™ve hit 80. I could, I suppose. Iā€™ve just gotten in the habit of exhausting all the low-level zones and squeezing every drop of XP out of them that I can before moving on. I hit 74 before finishing Howling Fjord, thanks to a well-run PUG for Utgarde Keep (I mentioned I never ran it before and even though I was just doing DPS the leader was careful to explain any boss tactics necessary other than ā€œkill it till it diesā€. The mage died a couple of times but with a Druid and Pally on hand it never got bad). At this rate, Iā€™ll probably wind up finishing Dragonblight at 76, then go to Zulā€™Drak for the undead and skip Grizzly Hills and Sholazar. On my Druid Iā€™ll probably just do Borean Tundra and skip Howling Fjord, even though HF is so much better of a zone. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5842 "2009-10-09T15:53:02Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I do that for guild runs, where I can be reasonably assured that everyone will go along with ā€œeveryone, please need what you need and pass the rest. Iā€™ll greed everything and disenchant and we can /roll at the endā€. PuGs, not so much. True, it is a much bigger pain in the ass to get everyone to go along with it. Fortunately, since Iā€™m a tank, Iā€™m almost always leading a run with any PUGers, so I can dictate loot rules such as ā€œpass on anything you donā€™t need so the healer can DE it, and then weā€™ll evenly distribute the mats at the end of the run.ā€ šŸ˜ƒ > [@Bosstone](#): > > I could, I suppose. Iā€™ve just gotten in the habit of exhausting all the low-level zones and squeezing every drop of XP out of them that I can before moving on. I used to be a completist, too, but I eventually got frustrated with it and just started moving on once the quests were green and the rewards werenā€™t upgrades. Youā€™ll definitely get better XP and gear by moving on to another zone, but if itā€™ll drive you nuts to leave anything unfinished, even for a few days or weeks while you get to 80, your sanityā€™s probably more important. ā€¦ Probably. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5843 "2009-10-09T16:03:50Z")
Oh, and I wasnā€™t able to be there 'cause I had personal shit going on, but my guild just dropped Anub on TotGC10. Whee! I canā€™t wait to get in on some hot-hot hardmode action. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5844 "2009-10-09T17:02:34Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I used to be a completist, too, but I eventually got frustrated with it and just started moving on once the quests were green and the rewards werenā€™t upgrades. Youā€™ll definitely get better XP and gear by moving on to another zone, but if itā€™ll drive you nuts to leave anything unfinished, even for a few days or weeks while you get to 80, your sanityā€™s probably more important. > > ā€¦ Probably. šŸ˜ƒ Youā€™re probably right. I just feel more comfortable having a couple levels over the zone Iā€™m in, even though I know itā€™s not necessary. A habit I picked up from my old leveling partner. Besides, one good thing about coming across a ton of quest rewards I have no need for, even if Iā€™m not an enchanter, is the insane piles of money from selling everything off. By the time I hit 77 I should have enough gold to get both Cold Weather Flying and Epic Flying. And grats on Anub! ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5845 "2009-10-09T17:08:10Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Thereā€™s no need to ā€œpretrainā€ weapons, if you ever find a purdy weapon she hasnā€™t used before sheā€™ll be up to speed in a short time. Itā€™s the last 5 points that are hard, not the first 400ā€¦ What I mean is that she doesnā€™t have the skill to wield an axe right now. I have Master of Arms on my main, so I do know how weapon training works. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5846 "2009-10-09T17:17:01Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Oh, and I wasnā€™t able to be there 'cause I had personal shit going on, but my guild just dropped Anub on TotGC10. Whee! I canā€™t wait to get in on some hot-hot hardmode action. Grats! We stepped foot in TotGC10 for the first time this weekā€¦ and got to the worms a few times. We just donā€™t have quite enough DPS (the worms came out _right_ as we killed Gormok on our best attempt). We had a melee-heavy group so we need a better strategy for killing the Snobolds (having melee run out to ranged/healers takes too longā€¦). Or maybe just get more ranged DPS. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5847 "2009-10-09T17:28:17Z")
Awesome ā€“ grats on downing Anub! šŸ˜ƒ Re: going backward, you guys donā€™t jump? I tend to jump backward on my enh shaman (on my main itā€™s usually Disengage) or strafe sideways. Also about the bag of entrails and such, the official WoW website has a fanart where a draenei and a dwarf are talking as they look for a snack, and the dwarf says ā€œwait, I think I got some bread in hereā€¦ā€ and upends his bag. Tons of heads, body parts, and so on cascade out. šŸ˜› Dwarf flicks a finger off the bread and proudly holds it out for the draenei. Draenei says, ā€œUh, sorry. On Atkins diet.ā€ Dwarf responds, ā€œSince when?ā€ ā€œSince about 20 seconds ago.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5848 "2009-10-09T17:55:54Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Grats! We stepped foot in TotGC10 for the first time this weekā€¦ and got to the worms a few times. We just donā€™t have quite enough DPS (the worms came out _right_ as we killed Gormok on our best attempt). We had a melee-heavy group so we need a better strategy for killing the Snobolds (having melee run out to ranged/healers takes too longā€¦). Or maybe just get more ranged DPS. You can try having the people with Snobolds run underneath the boss, where they can get the benefit of all the AoE stuff that the melee are doing. Iā€™ve heard that works for melee-heavy groups, though I havenā€™t personally tried it since our groups are usually ranged-heavy. BTW, Iā€™m very happy with my new guild. Iā€™m still sorry that the old one didnā€™t make it, but with the addition of our little group of core raiders, the new one managed to down five server firsts this week, including One Light in the Darkness-25 (Yogg with one keeper up) just last night! I got to see Algalon for the first time (we got him to 40% our first hour on him) and itā€™s really beginning to look like I might manage to get an Iron-Bound Protodrake after allā€“as well as a distinct possibility of a server-first Algalon-25 kill. I almost want to thank the guy who took his little group of friends and went off to form their own guild. They did the rest of us a big favor. šŸ™‚ ETA: I loved that comic. šŸ™‚ Iā€™ve often thought about how horribly disgusting my bags must be after all this time. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5849 "2009-10-09T18:15:41Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Hey **Damuri** , are you familiar with the multiquote feature? Itā€™s a handy way to reply to multiple posts with just one. On every post, thereā€™s a button (to the right of Quote) with a + on it. (On mouseover, the alt text says ā€œMulti-Quote This Message.ā€) Click that, and the button will turn red, indicating that the post has been tagged. (You can click it again to un-tag it.) When youā€™re done tagging posts, hit the Quote button on the last one, and it will pull all the posts youā€™ve tagged into one reply window. Oh, is ThAT what that button is for. Cool. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5850 "2009-10-09T19:26:15Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > BTW, Iā€™m very happy with my new guild. Iā€™m still sorry that the old one didnā€™t make it, but with the addition of our little group of core raiders, the new one managed to down five server firsts this week, including One Light in the Darkness-25 (Yogg with one keeper up) just last night! I got to see Algalon for the first time (we got him to 40% our first hour on him) and itā€™s really beginning to look like I might manage to get an Iron-Bound Protodrake after allā€“as well as a distinct possibility of a server-first Algalon-25 kill. Thatā€™s awesome! Color me jealous on the drakeā€“weā€™ve decided to drop Ulduar for the time being to focus on TotGC to get ICC ready once 3.3 drops. Weā€™ll be going back to it once weā€™ve got GC on farm, of course, but thatā€™ll probably be a few weeks at least, for 25 anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5851 "2009-10-10T00:20:02Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > You can try having the people with Snobolds run underneath the boss, where they can get the benefit of all the AoE stuff that the melee are doing. Iā€™ve heard that works for melee-heavy groups, though I havenā€™t personally tried it since our groups are usually ranged-heavy. This works, but only to a very minor extent. The snobolds with Gormok have the same AOE immunity that totems have. No radial AOEs will hit them, and cleaving attacks will only hit them if they are the primary target. Youā€™ll need rogues, arms warriors or blood DKs to notice a gain. That said, moving in to the boss means melee has a shorter distance to travel to attack the things in the first place, so it is a net DPS gain anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5852 "2009-10-10T00:41:07Z")
Healing for Hellfire Ramparts where everyone but you is a newbie arrogant DK isā€¦stressful. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5853 "2009-10-10T04:43:31Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > On another note, I made a deal with Yeti Jr. He was jonesing for 1400 gold to get epic flying for Sinjara, so I gave it to him in exchange that he would do 14 days worth of grinding for me: > > 1. Sons of Hodir dailies. > 2. Heroic dailies at Violet Hold. > 3. Fishing and Cooking dailies. > 4. BG daily (until he gets the win). > 5. Argent Tournament dailies. > > I think I got a good deal on this if he actually follows through with this. So, when you see Yeticalayla on there, it just might be Yeti Jr. (usually earlier in the day and evening), Iā€™m usually on later at night or early Sat & Sun. Someone should report to to the NLRB for violating child labor laws. You will get about 2K gold from his activity not to mention the emblems, the faction, the badges, the cooking awards and the fishing backpacks. If you had Jewelcrafting you could have sent him on those quests as well. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Thatā€™s awesome! Color me jealous on the drakeā€“weā€™ve decided to drop Ulduar for the time being to focus on TotGC to get ICC ready once 3.3 drops. Weā€™ll be going back to it once weā€™ve got GC on farm, of course, but thatā€™ll probably be a few weeks at least, for 25 anyway. Well, color ME jealous. We are farming TOC 25 and the difference between TOC 25 and TOC 25 heroic seems insurmountable. We are literally having trouble getting past Northrend beasts in TOC heroic 25. We only raid 3 days a week so we only really have time for TOC 25, VOA, Ony, and then we have to choose between doing some Ulduar (usually farming up to keepers before the reset (we havenā€™t been extending the Ulduar raids, although perhaps we should)) or trying to bash our heads against TOTGC, ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5854 "2009-10-10T05:37:52Z")
Grumble. My guild has recruited probably 15 new players in the last couple of weeks because we sometimes have trouble filling out all 25 raid slots. So weā€™re going from sometimes not having enough to usually having too many, which means people have to sit out. And it doesnā€™t bode well for getting 10 man raid slots because we have so many new mains and about a bazillion alts in the guild. My server kinda blows for decent, but not hardcore raiding guilds, so Iā€™m sort of stuck in this guild for the time being. I can say for sure that Iā€™m losing my patience with our young, arrogant, know-it-all GM. I think Iā€™m either going to take a long raiding break or quit the guild after we finally down Yogg. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5855 "2009-10-10T13:05:58Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Healing for Hellfire Ramparts where everyone but you is a newbie arrogant DK isā€¦stressful. That is all. May I offer you the corpse of the nelf DK we had in AK this morning, to be used wet-trout-style? Iā€™ll even switch to my mage so I can deepfreeze him properly before sending it! The mage we had died in the first fight. The DK must have said ā€œrez himā€ ā€œrez him fastā€ ā€œshammy ress mageā€ half a dozen times; amazingly, the shaman (who has a name, thank you much) didnā€™t bitchslap the DK from there to Ulduar. The DK died in the last fight, must have said ā€œrez meā€ a dozen times before we found the time to explain that only druids can resurrect in combat. He still asked a couple times more. Then he asked whether he could join our guilds :smack: Hell NO and if I see his name in my guildā€™s forum Iā€™m posting a ā€œhell noā€ the size of Azeroth. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5856 "2009-10-10T16:39:28Z")
What _is_ it with DKs? I donā€™t get it. Since the player has to have a level 55 character already, they _should_ theoretically be familiar enough with the game to not be as rock stupid as they are. Lack of time spent with the character is only a partial explanation; DK players are just _dumb_. Oh, I know thereā€™s people whose mains are DKs and they take the class seriously and understand how to play their roles. And I know the idiot population on WoW is incredibly high to begin with. But every time I run with a non-DK past 58, theyā€™re at least reasonably competent and marginally socially adjusted, and every time I run with a DK theyā€™re drooling or foaming at the mouth. They act no better than rank newbies I meet before level 20. In the all-DK run, the tank couldnā€™t hold threat. I donā€™t know if this is because he was undergeared (which strikes me as unlikely, given the gear DKs enter the world with), he wasnā€™t properly building threat, or the other DKs werenā€™t managing their own threat correctly. I donā€™t know enough about DKs to be able to tell who had what running, and Iā€™m guessing they were all generating threat at about the same rate. So each fight thereā€™d be two or three people all losing health at a rapid rate, way outstripping my HOTs, and the cast times for Regrowth and Healing Touch felt unbearably long. (I did remember to use Natureā€™s Swiftness when it was up, at least.) I suppose I could have let them die and enforced a lesson about managing threat properly, but Ramps is short, it was a PUG, and I just wanted to get through it and be gone. Letting the DPS die seems more of a tactic to use for guild groups where thereā€™s more of a social relationship. I got a decent amount of experience in emergency healing, at least. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5857 "2009-10-10T16:57:13Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Veriganā€™s Fist is a great weapon (much better than the Horde equivalent) but by 40 you should be able to do better. I canā€™t agree with that. Itā€™s a good weapon, but it has some flaws. First, Blood Elves (and more pallys these days anyhow) are subtly encouraged towards the Retribution tree - and the Ranseur is incredibly perfect as such. It has lower DPS, but because of the normalization of Ret abilities lets you cause more damage. It would be disgustingly overpowered if they let you have the same DPS as Vā€™s-F. More specialzied, but probably the better of the two for levelling by far. It takes a long and painful questline which you canā€™t do anymore b/c threā€™s nobody around. :rolleyes: I know. Iā€™ve done it twice. It was awful. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5858 "2009-10-10T18:24:51Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > I canā€™t agree with that. Itā€™s a good weapon, but it has some flaws. First, Blood Elves (and more pallys these days anyhow) are subtly encouraged towards the Retribution tree - and the Ranseur is incredibly perfect as such. It has lower DPS, but because of the normalization of Ret abilities lets you cause more damage. It would be disgustingly overpowered if they let you have the same DPS as Vā€™s-F. More specialzied, but probably the better of the two for levelling by far. > > It takes a long and painful questline which you canā€™t do anymore b/c threā€™s nobody around. :rolleyes: I know. Iā€™ve done it twice. It was awful. You could be right; my last Alliance pally was around 2.3, so ret pally abilities have changed several times since then. I do remember having to solo most of the questline, which was a big pain. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5859 "2009-10-10T20:34:47Z")
Well, at this point, the better weapons for my paladin are not yet accessible to me, so Iā€™m hanging onto the Fist, though I may ask a blacksmith to make me a little something once I check out whatā€™s available. I can beg my guild for an Uldaman run, I suppose; I donā€™t want to PUG it unless I have to. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/5860 "2009-10-10T21:44:15Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > You could be right; my last Alliance pally was around 2.3, so ret pally abilities have changed several times since then. I do remember having to solo most of the questline, which was a big pain. Oh yeayh, itā€™s changed a lot since then. Ret is now a serious DPS spec, and theyā€™ve significantly upgraded how it plays twice over, I think. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=292) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=294)