# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 302
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6021 "2009-10-19T16:52:18Z")
One little thing they overlooked for this year’s festival: They cranked HH up to level 80 (elite), but when you get the quest it’s still labeled “(Low-level)”. So I got a nasty surprise when I tried to go solo him … :mad: Is there any “rule” to which innkeepers you can “Trick or Treat”? It seemed pretty hit & miss to me. Or is it limited by that 60-minute debuff? One more reason to despise people with Tundra Mammoths: Oh aren’t you just too cool, parking your mammoth ass in front of the water barrel while everybody’s trying to put out the fires. I’m not clear on how you get the achievement for saving a village from the HH. I helped put out the fires in Goldshire, and looted the pumpkin head thing and turned the item in to the Costumed Orphan Matron. Is that something else entirely? ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6022 "2009-10-19T16:53:57Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I’m not clear on how you get the achievement for saving a village from the HH. I helped put out the fires in Goldshire, and looted the pumpkin head thing and turned the item in to the Costumed Orphan Matron. Is that something else entirely? If you got the achievement last year, you won’t get it again this year. That confused me at first until I double-checked my achievements list - is that a possibility for you? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6023 "2009-10-19T16:56:11Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > If it’s a HH drop, blue-name, [Magic Broom](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37011) then yeah, I’m very sure. That’s it. My HH group had it drop twice yesterday, and I won the first one. I guess I can put my violet proto-drake away for a little while, since the broom is so cool. I don’t suppose if I have a 310% flyer that the broom will go that fast too, like the druid flight form? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6024 "2009-10-19T16:58:16Z")
Got my Chef’s Hat! > [@Skammer](#): > > I’ll be on tonight, Bird. I won’t run it without you 🙂 I’m gonna try to be on tonight after 10pm PDT, but don’t wait up for me. Is the HH instance similar to Coren Direbrew’s instances? Never ran HH before, so hopefully I’ll be there tonight to steal another mount from you buddy! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6025 "2009-10-19T17:07:13Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Is there any “rule” to which innkeepers you can “Trick or Treat”? It seemed pretty hit & miss to me. Or is it limited by that 60-minute debuff? That’s what the debuff is for: an Innkeeper won’t offer you the Trick or Treat option when you have it. Otherwise, you can trick or treat at any Innkeeper. > [@](#): > > One more reason to despise people with Tundra Mammoths: Oh aren’t you just too cool, parking your mammoth ass in front of the water barrel while everybody’s trying to put out the fires. That’s not people with mammoths; that’s just assholes. 🙂 Report them for griefing and get as many other people as possible to do it, too. > [@](#): > > I’m not clear on how you get the achievement for saving a village from the HH. I helped put out the fires in Goldshire, and looted the pumpkin head thing and turned the item in to the Costumed Orphan Matron. Is that something else entirely? Yes, it’s something else. You have to get the quest from the Orphan Matron before the fires are all put out. It’s slightly bugged–if you can’t get it at one town, go to another. (I couldn’t get it at Goldshire, but Kharnos worked just fine.) > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Got my Chef’s Hat! Woohoo! Now go get the IronChef addon. (It equips your hat and switches your title to “Chef” any time you open your Cooking window, then swaps everything back the way it was when you close it.) > [@](#): > > Is the HH instance similar to Coren Direbrew’s instances? Never ran HH before, so hopefully I’ll be there tonight to steal another mount from you buddy! Yup, same kind of deal, except the Horseman is in SM Graveyard. You go in, get the daily quest one at a time, and when you turn it in, it summons him. Basic fight mechanics are: DPS him down, then DPS the head when it flies off. Lather, rinse, repeat as the head reattaches and then flies off again. In the final phase, he’ll throw out four pumpkins, which will turn into adds, but you can ignore them (just have the tank pick them up) and focus on the boss. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6026 "2009-10-19T17:11:18Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > “Low end of the totem pole” doesn’t mean “unwanted.” Especially with the CC that’s needed for some fights in Ulduar and ToC, Ret can be useful (for Repentance), and Pallies of \*\*any \*\*stripe are almost always welcome because of their wide array of buffs (both Blessings and Hands, and let’s not forget Judgements). If Ret is what you really love… stick with it! Remember, this is about doing what \*\*you \*\*enjoy and what \*\*you’re \*\*best at. Yeah, I’m still thinking it over. I like all three specs and there’s very good reasons to have all three, so it’s hard to decide. At least respecs cap at 50 gold. 😛 > [@](#): > > Oh, and something I forgot to mention: AddOns! I’ve actually got all of those. DBM’s installed, just not turned on. I’m using HealBot over Decursive or Grid, since it seems to work better for me (although I still need to tweak it some more), and I’ve had IceHUD a long time. I’ve been poking at the abstracts of raiding for a while now, I’ve just finally hit the point where I can start getting some practical end-game experience. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6027 "2009-10-19T17:15:32Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > But hey, no pressure and have fun, right? 😉 > > I appreciate the advice about deciding on specs first. I’m used to joining more social groups and filling whatever needs they might have at the time, rather than looking for a guild that needs what I have. I love Retribution to death, but it’s a soloist thing. I may end up going Holy/Prot, since as you say melee DPS is on the low end of the totem pole. (Poor Rogues are so unloved.) I should still be able to do my solo stuff as Prot. I love my Ret Pally too, but I’m probably a more casual player than you, and although I love doing BDL runs with my Doper Brethren, I’m not too keen on PUGs so I am doing a lot more BG grinding for honor, shards in order to get equipment that is 200, 213 and 226 level. I’ve been leaning heavy on Jarryn and Kahmu for the gemming and soon I need to lean on our enchanters once I figure how to get a hold of some enchanting mats, which to me seems ridiculous in price. I would love to see our guild get back into 10 man raids to bump up our guild presence. Last I checked, we’re around 146th when we used to be around 100th during the summer. I think we are close to having 10 players that could do some serious damage in the 10-mans, although I would hate to see **Bosstone** leave for another guild. Anyways, those are my thoughts, scattered as they are. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6028 "2009-10-19T17:17:08Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Woohoo! Now go get the IronChef addon. (It equips your hat and switches your title to “Chef” any time you open your Cooking window, then swaps everything back the way it was when you close it.) Thanks for the reminder! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6029 "2009-10-19T17:18:24Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I think we are close to having 10 players that could do some serious damage in the 10-mans, although I would hate to see **Bosstone** leave for another guild. We’re talking about my Draenei Pally, not Nahren. I’m totally happy with hanging out in the BDL, and now that the Pally’s 80 I’ll start playing Nahren again more. I just want to satisfy my interest in raiding as well. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6030 "2009-10-19T17:22:24Z")
Yeti, Kene’s got the enchants you need (as does Muzungu I think). I can give you a price break on most mats as well, except for Infinite Dust which I never have enough of. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6031 "2009-10-19T17:39:49Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Yeti, Kene’s got the enchants you need (as does Muzungu I think). I can give you a price break on most mats as well, except for Infinite Dust which I never have enough of. I need to check my bank, but I think I still have 4 or 5 stacks of infinite dust sitting in there. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6032 "2009-10-19T18:21:53Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > and soon I need to lean on our enchanters once I figure how to get a hold of some enchanting mats, which to me seems ridiculous in price For me, my pocket healer is also an Enchanter, so all of my greens go straight to him to be DE’d, and he then holds onto all of those mats, as well as any shards that we get from running Heroics, etc. Is there a high-enough level chanter in BDL who you could have do the same for you? > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Thanks for the reminder! You’re quite welcome! I looooooooooooove my IronChef, yes I do. Oh my, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6033 "2009-10-19T18:23:07Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > We’re talking about my Draenei Pally, not Nahren. I’m totally happy with hanging out in the BDL, and now that the Pally’s 80 I’ll start playing Nahren again more. I just want to satisfy my interest in raiding as well. Ah, I should have done a better job of checking out the facts. > [@Skammer](#): > > Yeti, Kene’s got the enchants you need (as does Muzungu I think). I can give you a price break on most mats as well, except for Infinite Dust which I never have enough of. Will do; there’s a couple of items that could use an enchantment and other items I need to replace before we put an enchant on that slot. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6034 "2009-10-19T20:32:47Z")
Hallow’s End had an eventful start in the pvp sense of the word. Showed up in Brill when the event started only to find a welcoming committee of assorted high-end raiding Alliance guilds holed up in the courthouse and ganking everyone who tried to pry them out. They were seriously geared and out for bear, too. Later on when a group of us guildies went into SM, we had heavily armed Hordies waiting for anyone who dared run in while flagged. Carpet of bones, indeed. It took me a bit to figure out how the Southshore quests worked on Horde – it wasn’t clear to me until later that the keg gives you another quest to take back. :smack: So I got to run back and do it AGAIN (the first time, a grouped party member had gotten it and I figured it was complete in my log). Let’s just say that in WG, _I_ was out for bear. GNERD Rage was a bonus. 😃 At least I got plenty of kiting practice in, which is actually pretty fun as long as you have the room for it. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6035 "2009-10-19T20:45:07Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > It took me a bit to figure out how the Southshore quests worked on Horde – it wasn’t clear to me until later that the keg gives you another quest to take back. :smack: So I got to run back and do it AGAIN (the first time, a grouped party member had gotten it and I figured it was complete in my log). Oh, MAN. Is that the second quest for the achievement? I saw that the quest giver by the wicker man had a grey ! over his head, so I assumed I (my 27 pally) just wasn’t high enough level to get the achievement. Guess there will be a naked run into Southshore some time this week. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6036 "2009-10-19T20:53:00Z")
I’m glad I don’t have to do those achievements again. The only one I’m missing is the Masks one. It’s not part of the meta-achievement, so I’ll probably casually try to collect them but I’m not going to stress out about it. Got female NE yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6037 "2009-10-19T20:53:48Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Oh, MAN. Is that the second quest for the achievement? I saw that the quest giver by the wicker man had a grey ! over his head, so I assumed I (my 27 pally) just wasn’t high enough level to get the achievement. > > Guess there will be a naked run into Southshore some time this week. You have to get the quests from the quest giver for running into Southshore and egging the keg/throwing bombs. If you can’t get them, then yeah, you’re too low. Wowhead says the bomb quest is 25, but the keg is 30. If you can grind to 30 before the festival ends, then you should be able to get it no worries. FTR, the keg in question is on the entrance floor, back against the wall under the stairs. It’s the topmost one on the pyramid – it doesn’t sparkle so you have to mouseover it. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6038 "2009-10-19T21:05:32Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Guess there will be a naked run into Southshore some time this week. Dunno if you’re worried about dying to NPCs or to players, but in case you didn’t know, PvP deaths don’t cost you any durability. > [@Skammer](#): > > The only one I’m missing is the Masks one. It’s not part of the meta-achievement, so I’ll probably casually try to collect them but I’m not going to stress out about it. It was originally part of the meta and the reason that I didn’t bother trying to complete everything last year (because I didn’t know it was going to be removed). There are about fifty billion masks, and you have something like a one in a million chance of pulling a mask out of any given bag, so prepare for this achievement to take about ten years, even if you can afford to take off work or school for two weeks and pump yourself up on amphetamines to log in every hour on the hour. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6039 "2009-10-19T21:15:04Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > You have to get the quests from the quest giver for running into Southshore and egging the keg/throwing bombs. If you can’t get them, then yeah, you’re too low. > > Wowhead says the bomb quest is 25, but the keg is 30. If you can grind to 30 before the festival ends, then you should be able to get it no worries. Ah, good to know. I was just :smack: over having run all the way in and out again, leaving a trail of corpses, and not noticing that I needed to grab a quest on my way out. So it turns out I didn’t. Which is nice to know. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6040 "2009-10-19T21:21:55Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > What _is_ it with DKs? I don’t get it. Since the player has to have a level 55 character already, they _should_ theoretically be familiar enough with the game to not be as rock stupid as they are. Lack of time spent with the character is only a partial explanation; DK players are just _dumb_. > > Oh, I know there’s people whose mains are DKs and they take the class seriously and understand how to play their roles. And I know the idiot population on WoW is incredibly high to begin with. But every time I run with a non-DK past 58, they’re at least reasonably competent and marginally socially adjusted, and every time I run with a DK they’re drooling or foaming at the mouth. They act no better than rank newbies I meet before level 20. > > In the all-DK run, the tank couldn’t hold threat. I don’t know if this is because he was undergeared (which strikes me as unlikely, given the gear DKs enter the world with), he wasn’t properly building threat, or the other DKs weren’t managing their own threat correctly. I don’t know enough about DKs to be able to tell who had what running, and I’m guessing they were all generating threat at about the same rate. So each fight there’d be two or three people all losing health at a rapid rate, way outstripping my HOTs, and the cast times for Regrowth and Healing Touch felt unbearably long. (I did remember to use Nature’s Swiftness when it was up, at least.) > > I suppose I could have let them die and enforced a lesson about managing threat properly, but Ramps is short, it was a PUG, and I just wanted to get through it and be gone. Letting the DPS die seems more of a tactic to use for guild groups where there’s more of a social relationship. I got a decent amount of experience in emergency healing, at least. You know you;re introuble when the DK in your party says “my other main is a hunter” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=301) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=303)