# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 307
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6121 "2009-10-21T19:20:10Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Then, to get your meta activated, get one of the prismatic gems (Nightmare Tear being the current best one, but expensive - the older ones are fine too and should be reasonably priced). They count as 1 gem of each color and can activate any socket bonus (so use it in a socket with a nice bonus but a bad color for your class/spec). **Never** use a prismatic gem in a prismatic socket (i.e. the BS-created belt buckle). It’s a waste of the prismatic quality of the gem. Alternately, players have to remember that a ‘blended’ color (non-primary color) gem counts as one each of the colors it’s made by. An orange gem counts as one red and one yellow gem, a green gem counts as one yellow and one blue gem, and a purple gem counts as one red and one blue gem. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6122 "2009-10-21T19:23:29Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > It’s both. For many classes Kings becomes better than Might at a certain point in gearing. For example, my hunter has like 1950 unbuffed AGI right now, which means a 10% Kings gives me 195 AGI which is 390 AP _and_ 3.75% crit. This doesn’t take into account the AP I get from INT and STAM (through Survival talents). _blinks_ Hunters hasn’t gotten 2 ap from agility since pre-tbc, 195 agility is only 195 ap. > [@Words\_on\_the\_Interweb](#): > > Checking your gear, you really want the [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41398) for your meta. AP is nice, but again, doesn’t scale with Kings, and the reduced stun duration really isn’t going to do anything for your PvE DPS. Assuming you can solve the meta activation issue, [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41285) is better for paladins since it grants more crit and unlike agility, crit rating also affect spell crit. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6123 "2009-10-21T19:36:11Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > _blinks_ Hunters hasn’t gotten 2 ap from agility since pre-tbc, 195 agility is only 195 ap. The poor old-schoolers, still trapped in the past. 😉 Interestingly, according to the Wiki, Cataclysm will be bringing it back to 1 Agi = 2 AP. Most likely they wanted Hunters to not neglect Intellect and Stamina in their builds, hence the 1:1 for Agility and the talents for Int and Stam. But I know Blizzard’s wanted to get rid of mana for Hunters because it doesn’t fully make sense, and if that goes, then the need for Intellect goes. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6124 "2009-10-21T20:01:46Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I dare you not to get [“That’s the World of Warcraft That You Play”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4TyqYsC26g) stuck in your head. Granted, some of it’s a little bit outdated (it was written at the end of Vanilla, before the release of TBC), but most of it still rings true (and hilarious). The first time I saw that, I was thinking, “Where have I heard this before?”, then finally realized it was Weird Al’s “[Horoscope](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0gJuUTkjKc)” > [@](#): > > And it’s not officially about WoW, but the cast of The Guild made [“Do You Want to Date My Avatar”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU) (c’mon, who doesn’t love Felicia Day?). Now that was cute 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6125 "2009-10-21T20:15:03Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > _blinks_ Hunters hasn’t gotten 2 ap from agility since pre-tbc, 195 agility is only 195 ap. :o Of course you are correct. And I didn’t even play pre-TBC… I got screwed up by my understanding that 1 AGI is generally _worth_ 2 (or more) points in AP on gear. In fact, for my current gear 1 AGI is worth almost 3 AP. This become important when considering what gems/enchants/gear upgrades to select. Of course, part of this is because of Blessing of Kings, which makes the argument a bit circular. Just to confirm my impression on pally buffs I put my current settings in the [hunter DPS sheet](http://www.femaledwarf.com/) with no Pally buffs. The simulated DPS was 5875.71. Adding Improved BoK added 348 DPS. Adding Imroved BoM added 345 DPS… Adding both adds 630 DPS. So, turns out they are about the same damage-wise. Ignorance (on my end) fought. Sorry for the misinformation! ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6126 "2009-10-21T20:28:33Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The poor old-schoolers, still trapped in the past. 😉 Interestingly, according to the Wiki, Cataclysm will be bringing it back to 1 Agi = 2 AP. Most likely they wanted Hunters to not neglect Intellect and Stamina in their builds, hence the 1:1 for Agility and the talents for Int and Stam. But I know Blizzard’s wanted to get rid of mana for Hunters because it doesn’t fully make sense, and if that goes, then the need for Intellect goes. IIRC, the reasoning behind the change back then was that hunter itemization was dull(ie agility\>all) and they wanted to give hunters a reason to use other stats(ie AP). Of course, in Cataclysm they’re doing a 180 and are removing a whole bunch of stats instead, making it so that all classes will consider the base stats to be the most important. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6127 "2009-10-21T20:33:59Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Just to confirm my impression on pally buffs I put my current settings in the [hunter DPS sheet](http://www.femaledwarf.com/) with no Pally buffs. The simulated DPS was 5875.71. Adding Improved BoK added 348 DPS. Adding Imroved BoM added 345 DPS… Adding both adds 630 DPS. > > So, turns out they are about the same damage-wise. Ignorance (on my end) fought. On the other hand, with equal damage bonuses you might as well go for the slight edge in survivability you get from BoK. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6128 "2009-10-21T20:41:39Z")
Geez, trying to do the “Put out the Fires” daily is just pathetic. Craploads of people in Goldshire just standing around doing nothing while the remaining handful of people run around frantically trying to douse the fires. Then there are the people who’d rather duel each other in the middle of the HH’s attack. I think half those people are just waiting to grab the prize after everybody else has done the work. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6129 "2009-10-21T20:59:57Z")
Yeah, “Put Out the Fires” was a lot easier when the Magic Broom had an instant cast time. And as the holiday goes on, fewer people will bother to try to help. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6130 "2009-10-21T21:04:22Z")
Other than the HH, and I’ve only done that once so far, I’m skipping Halloween this year. At this rate I’ll never get the Long Strange Trip achievement. 😛 Besides being preoccupied with level 80 stuff, it’s just not interesting me the way Brewfest did, and some of the achievements don’t look like much fun to get. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6131 "2009-10-21T21:07:29Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Geez, trying to do the “Put out the Fires” daily is just pathetic. Craploads of people in Goldshire just standing around doing nothing while the remaining handful of people run around frantically trying to douse the fires. Then there are the people who’d rather duel each other in the middle of the HH’s attack. I think half those people are just waiting to grab the prize after everybody else has done the work. I’m having trouble with the fact that nobody wants to team up. You move better than twice as fast with 2 people working together. I yell and yell to work together, but nothing happens until I whisper someone to hang out by the fire, and then I just feed them buckets. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6132 "2009-10-21T21:10:08Z")
Some days, it really does feel like the #1 life lesson of WoW is, “God damn, some people are really fucking retarded.” ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6133 "2009-10-21T21:50:28Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Some days, it really does feel like the #1 life lesson of WoW is, “God damn, some people are really fucking retarded.” It’s just like life, but with bigger boobs and pointier ears. I’ve also found that no one wants to help put out fires, but they all want to go to Southshore and smack people around. There wasn’t a lot of cleaning up going on when I went there, because everyone was too busy attacking flagged people. My belf warlock utterly failed to save Razor Hill from the fires, but that’s because I didn’t know there was a method other than random bucketing of buildings, and because I was the only one trying to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6134 "2009-10-21T22:12:27Z")
> [@Telperien](#): > > It’s just like life, but with bigger boobs and pointier ears. Play City of Heroes for a month, I guarantee you won’t even notice WoW boobs after that. Other than, you know, the dummies. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6135 "2009-10-21T22:48:30Z")
[Oh snap](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45074). The Titansteel Destroyer may have more Strength, but _that_ looks badass. I’m still a few days out from being able to purchase it, sadly, but the money I don’t spend on that can go to the rest of my gear. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6136 "2009-10-21T23:12:46Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Geez, trying to do the “Put out the Fires” daily is just pathetic. Craploads of people in Goldshire just standing around doing nothing while the remaining handful of people run around frantically trying to douse the fires. Then there are the people who’d rather duel each other in the middle of the HH’s attack. I think half those people are just waiting to grab the prize after everybody else has done the work. They are, I just ran into it in Blood Elf babyland I had 2 other people with me trying to put the fires out while 5 people sat on various mounts watching ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6137 "2009-10-21T23:46:04Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > [Oh snap](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45074). The Titansteel Destroyer may have more Strength, but _that_ looks badass. I’m still a few days out from being able to purchase it, sadly, but the money I don’t spend on that can go to the rest of my gear. **Boss** , I can craft a Titansteel Destroyer for you for cheap or for a trade, I have the Titansteel and Saronite bars; I just need you to get a hold of two frozen orbs. As for gemming for pally dps, always go with the +20 STR gems, only exception is for making your meta requirements. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6138 "2009-10-22T00:00:10Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > **Boss** , I can craft a Titansteel Destroyer for you for cheap or for a trade, I have the Titansteel and Saronite bars; I just need you to get a hold of two frozen orbs. I appreciate it, but this is an Ally character on Cenarius, not Cairne. Unless you do have a Blacksmith on Cenarius, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6139 "2009-10-22T00:07:14Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > **Boss** , I can craft a Titansteel Destroyer for you for cheap or for a trade, I have the Titansteel and Saronite bars; I just need you to get a hold of two frozen orbs. > > As for gemming for pally dps, always go with the +20 STR gems, only exception is for making your meta requirements. I know **Boss** doesn’t need it in Cairne, but I’ve got at least 10 frozen orbs if you ever need one for you or someone else in the guild. ---
**Author:** ![Words\_on\_the\_Interweb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Words\_on\_the\_Interweb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Words_on_the_Interweb)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6140 "2009-10-22T00:36:04Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > _blinks_ Hunters hasn’t gotten 2 ap from agility since pre-tbc, 195 agility is only 195 ap. > Assuming you can solve the meta activation issue, [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41285) is better for paladins since it grants more crit and unlike agility, crit rating also affect spell crit. With Kings, the Relentless scales to .44% crit, which is only .02% less than the Chaotic. The real point of Relentless, however, is that it requires 1 red, 1 yellow, and 1 blue to activate, which means a single prismatic can cover it. Chaotic, unfortunately, requires 2 blues, which isn’t the best gem choice for plate DPS, who should be gemming pure strength. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=306) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=308)