# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 319
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6361 "2009-10-30T20:46:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I humbly disagree. I know folks get upset with the notion that their guild is a stepping stone to more advanced guilds but if your guild is not progressing… Sure, I understand that. Nobody should stay in a guild they aren’t happy in. But I see a, perhaps fine, difference between coming to a guild, really contributing and finding you want something else and being a leech. 😃 But over the last several months we’ve had some people come through our guild, get geared and bail on us. We even had one player get his Yogg kill and leave that very same night. And it isn’t because we’re not progressing. We’ve cleared everything except hard modes. Of late, it’s been frustrating to have to continually recruit new players to fill the vacancies and then have to teach these people the fights we’ve already done. We can’t progress into Ulduar hard modes or TOC 25 heroic as well as we want precisely because of stuff like this. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6362 "2009-10-30T21:10:21Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Sure, I understand that. Nobody should stay in a guild they aren’t happy in. But I see a, perhaps fine, difference between coming to a guild, really contributing and finding you want something else and being a leech. 😃 > > But over the last several months we’ve had some people come through our guild, get geared and bail on us. We even had one player get his Yogg kill and leave that very same night. > > And it isn’t because we’re not progressing. We’ve cleared everything except hard modes. > > Of late, it’s been frustrating to have to continually recruit new players to fill the vacancies and then have to teach these people the fights we’ve already done. We can’t progress into Ulduar hard modes or TOC 25 heroic as well as we want precisely because of stuff like this. Tell me about it, being the number 10 guild on the server makes you the prime recruiting ground for the number 1, 2, and 3 guilds on the server but to be fair, I am talking about casual guilds as stepping stones for more progression guilds. If you are a progression guild and a conga line of people are using you as a stepping stone then there is something wrong with your choice of raids or your loot rules. Remember about 6 months ago, there were stepping stone guilds that basically ran Naxx runs constantly and people just joined them to get naxx egared and then leave. Well they had a problem with raid selection. If your loot rules favor the undergeared instead of the most deserving, you might end up giving too much gear to newbies and that encourages them to get geared up and leave. I feel your pain. We are barely top 10 guild on the server and we are in constant recruiting mode because there are a lot of people who leave for the number 1 or 2 guild on the server after about 3 to 6 months when they are finally geared enough to help carry other members in the raid. Its very frustrating to lose a healer because the top guild lost one of their healers and has recruited yours. It is very frustrating to lose one of your after they are finally geared enough to do some good because he is now attractive to the second highest guild on the server. It goes with the territory and if your guilds starts to focus on that dynamic, it will melt down. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6363 "2009-10-30T21:17:18Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > \*\*People on this board really are amazing! Whoever sent that, you rock. **Yeah** they do!🙂 Wife just informed me that this is a **“Dual HDMI”** , made by PROSCAN, and _not_ a **“Dual HOMI”** , (probably some after-market “street” version!:D) Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6364 "2009-10-30T21:34:18Z")
> [@Telperien](#): > > I trained him in maces because I was tired of staves, but I think a druid should use a staff or a polearm–a druid with a mace just doesn’t seem right to me. (I have no idea why) Depends what you’re doing with him. Druids can’t DW, so if you’re using a 1H in your main hand, that leaves you with nothing but an Off-Hand item (not another weapon) for the other slot. There are good ones for Resto or Balance, but almost nothing for Feral (either tank or DPS). > [@](#): > > To raid Naxx, you basically have to “be able to approximate a turnip,” they said. Hahaha, yeah, pretty much. The DPS requirements aren’t too tight on the non-hardmode fights. Naxx is mostly about gimmicks and for-the-love-of-god-don’t-stand-in-that-shit. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Anyone else in Northrend have the Engineering toy that lets you make a self-only portal to Borean Tundra, Icecrown, etc? I don’t, but that sounds awesome. > [@](#): > > At one point after the Instructor in Military Q, a healer had to get to bed, so a well-geared tank swapped out and grabbed his girlfriend’s priest, and I came in as my tank druid. Rawr! My husband co-tanked as his pally. We finished up the quarter - I tanked live side on Gothik, then on 4 Horsemen I started as one of the two tanks up front. Grats! Was that your raid-tanking debut? Gothik is always insane. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > I know how to do one intially (print screen), but forgot how to turn **Wolkie** and **Silka** so they’re facing to the side and how to remove the writing on the screen. Rotate camera: Hold down left mouse button. Remove UI: Alt+Z > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > As far as class is concerned, I don’t know about your server but you always want 3 paladins in your raid for kings, sanctuary and either wisdom or might, [snip] so once a guild has 3 paladins that always show up, they don’t really need any more pallies Not 100%. Additional Pallies means more Salv, more Holy Wrath, more Repent (if they’re Ret), more DIs, more HoP, more HoS… > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I know folks get upset with the notion that their guild is a stepping stone to more advanced guilds but if your guild is not progressing then that is exactly what you are for a lot of people. There’s a difference between coming in, giving your best, sticking it out, and then leaving because of a mismatch in raid style/priorities/etc., but that’s different from \*\*coming in \*\*with a “gear and go” mentality. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Gratz on all that but you are not tanking for your guild with 36K unbuffed are you? I think my resto druid has 32K unbuffed in bear form. Yes, I am tanking for my guild with that HP (well, it’s around 38.5k now). Tanking for the #1 guild on the server, 4/5 TotGC (four bosses ahead of everybody else on BT, and I was in on three of those server-firsts and was in the next week to down the one I missed), and depending on where you look we’re somewhere around the top 800 guilds in the U.S. and close to top 2k worldwide. Dunno what’s skewing your perception of “normal” tank HP… Fully raid buffed, I’m pushing 50k these days. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > [Understanding the World of Warcraft Using Super Mario Brothers | Cracked.com](http://www.cracked.com/blog/understanding-the-world-of-warcraft-using-super-mario-brothers/) An oldie but a goodie. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why use classes with defensive cooldowns? Why not just use a tank to tank the second boss? I think you may be confused about the strat. Let me break it down: Dark boss: Light-buffed tank, and light-buffed classes with defensive CDs (Hunters, SPriests, Mages) Light boss: Dark-buffed tank, and dark-buffed everybody else You split your DPS so that you always have a head-start for any casting of Twin’s Pact. If your entire raid needs to switch targets, you can lose valuable seconds stacking debuffs and DOTs, e.g., versus already having people focused on that target. Nobody ever switches buffs through the entire fight. If one of the bosses starts casting Twin’s Pact, everyone switches to that boss, but as soon as the heal is interrupted, people go back to their normal distribution. > [@](#): > > Why not switch for the vortex, it does 30K damage over 5 seconds to the entire raid. How the heck are healers supposed to keep up with that sort of damage on the whole raid? When you’re in the doorway, it’s a looooong run to switch buffs, which loses valuable DPS time. Having people with D-CDs on the “other” boss is what allows you to not switch for Vortexes. With the composition outlined above, you have light-buffed people burn those D-CDs (Ice Block, Dispersion, etc.) for a Dark Vortex, and to get the rest of the raid through Light Vortex, you have a Pally use Aura Mastery (on Fire Resist Aura) while the healers dump out big AOE heals and all the DPS use any personal D-CDs (e.g., if I’m running as Arms, I throw on a shield and 1H weap, swap to Defensive Stance, and pop Shield Wall). > [@](#): > > What is an unhittable block set? I suppose the adds are not level 83 so can you become unhittable with block against level 82 mobs? An Unhittable (UH) set is one where your total avoidance is such that \*\*every \*\*physical attack against you will be dodged, be parried, be blocked, or miss. To be unhittable against an 83 boss, you need 102.4% avoidance; against the adds on Anub in TotGC25, you need 101.6%. For the vast majority of fights, a UH set is crap, because if you block 2,500 off a 20k hit, you’re still taking 17.5k damage, and you have to sacrifice a lot of HP for avoidance, so if anything actually hits you (or worse, gets behind you, where you can’t Block/Dodge/Parry at all), you’re pretty instantly fucked. (IIRC, fully raid buffed, I’m running with over 10k less HP in my UH set versus my EH set.) For this one particular role on this one particular boss, however, it’s godly. This is because of an odd quirk to the way the Anub adds work. They individually don’t hit for very much–maybe 3k. What makes them dangerous is a debuff they stack on the tank–something like a 25% increase in damage taken for each stack, and it stacks up to nine times. So with a 225% increase to tank damage, and each of four adds hitting for 3k, that’s potentially 27k coming in at a time (3,000 damage x 2.25 multiplier debuff x 4 adds). But! Because the original incoming damage is so low, you can knock a huge chunk off of it with Block. If you can block 2500 of that 3k hit, now you’re only taking up to 4,500 damage at a time, which is easily healable ((3,000 damage - 2,500 damage blocked) x 2.25 multiplier debuff x 4 adds). Get enough Block Value worked into the set, and you could literally be taking zero damage. > [@](#): > > What does EH stand for? Effective Health, which is basically a measure of how much unavoided damage you can take. Generally figured by a combination of Armor and Stamina without factoring in things like Dodge or Parry. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6365 "2009-10-30T21:40:45Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Rotate camera: Hold down left mouse button. > Remove UI: Alt+Z Thanks, **SFG**. I wanted to put 'em on the blog!🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6366 "2009-10-30T21:54:26Z")
OK, I’m hoping I haven’t done a selfish thing and possibly angered my fellow Burning Dog Legion members. I got my BE paladin, Kalathan, to level 78 today. I went back to Silvermoon City to train, checked the AH, and then decided to stick some stuff in the bank. While I was at the bank, I figured I’d take a peek at the guild vault, just to see what was there. Well, there was a **complete** set of Ornate Saronite Plate armor sitting in Tab 4. Oh my. Minimum level to wear it? 78! Pluses to both Strength and Intelligence. Perfect for a paladin. And much better than what I was currently wearing. I stared at it for a while. Then I closed the guild vault and stared at the monitor for a little while longer. Then I opened the guild value again and stared at the armor again. My conscience warred with my greedy side. \“It’s in the guild vault - it must be OK for guild members to take it” \“But it’s blue-level items! I shouldn’t just grab them, even if they are perfect for my character!” \“Someone put them in there so someone else could take them. Why shouldn’t it be you?” \“But 8 separate items?” \“If they weren’t there for a guild member to take, then they wouldn’t have been put in the guild vault.” \“Well…I guess so…” So I took a deep breath, swallowed, and took all 8 pieces. I salved my conscience a little bit by depositing a chunk of gold in the guild bank. But my oh my, they sure are nice. All that extra mana! So, I apologize if someone else had plans for that armor. But I just couldn’t resist!! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Words\_on\_the\_Interweb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Words\_on\_the\_Interweb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Words_on_the_Interweb)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6367 "2009-10-30T22:21:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Gratz on all that but you are not tanking for your guild with 36K unbuffed are you? I think my resto druid has 32K unbuffed in bear form. Dire bear form does give a 25% bonus to stamina, but I have to wonder what you’re doing with your Resto gear choices if that’s how many hitpoints you have unbuffed as Resto in bear form… I have just shy of 1000 stamina in my Holy kit, and not quite 17k hitpoints, but our Pally tank has over 3000 stamina in his tank kit, and is just shy of 37k hitpoints unbuffed. Adding 25% to my stamina would put me at not quite 20k hitpoints (250 stamina \* 10 hitpoints per = 2500 bonus). Unless you’ve been stacking stamina over other stats, or there’s some other bear form conversion factor at play, I don’t see how you’d get to 32k in a Resto kit. > [@Runestar](#): > > Well, there was a **complete** set of Ornate Saronite Plate armor sitting in Tab 4. Oh my. Minimum level to wear it? 78! Pluses to both Strength and Intelligence. Perfect for a paladin. And much better than what I was currently wearing. I don’t mean to burst your bubble, but Ornate Saronite is bonuses to Intellect and Stamina, not Strength. It’s a great kit for starting out healing at 80, but not at all suitable for Ret (I’m assuming you’re levelling Ret?). So hang on to it if you plan to go Holy for instances, but it’s just bad for DPS. That said… > [@](#): > > So, I apologize if someone else had plans for that armor. But I just couldn’t resist!! ☹ I’m not in BDL, but if something is intended for a specific individual, it should be mailed to them. Likewise, if something isn’t intended for general use, it should be kept in private storage. If it’s in the guild bank, it’s fair game, with, of course, the expectation that you “pay it forward” in some fashion or another. Sorry if I’m speaking out of turn on the matter, but anyone getting upset over that would only have themselves to blame for putting it in there to begin with. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6368 "2009-10-30T22:39:47Z")
We’re on the blog and loooookin’ goooood!🙂 Caught him just as he was doing one of his shoulder-shrugs and turned to look at the camera! [![](https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/wolkiesilkanew.jpg) ](https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/wolkiesilkanew.jpg) Thanks, **SFG**!🙂 Quasi ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6369 "2009-10-30T22:47:11Z")
It never fails. Anytime I see a freaking jpg of a screenshot, I try to pan before I remember that it’s not actually WoW! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6370 "2009-10-30T22:49:03Z")
> [@Runestar](#): > > OK, I’m hoping I haven’t done a selfish thing and possibly angered my fellow Burning Dog Legion members. That stuff is totally there to be used. And hey, 8 guild bank slots open, that’s always good. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6371 "2009-10-30T22:51:32Z")
Well, you know, **jayjay** , I’m glad that **Silka’s** armored on her back end now, ‘cause that unsheathed sword was givin’ me fits. (Role-Playingly speaking, that is!;)) Q ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6372 "2009-10-30T23:36:39Z")
Yes, sorry – I mean **Stamina** and Intelligence, not Strength. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6373 "2009-10-31T00:01:14Z")
I still don’t really know what I want to do with my druid, actually. I need to work on him a little more to figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6374 "2009-10-31T00:10:11Z")
> [@Words\_on\_the\_Interweb](#): > > I’m not in BDL, but if something is intended for a specific individual, it should be mailed to them. Likewise, if something isn’t intended for general use, it should be kept in private storage. If it’s in the guild bank, it’s fair game, with, of course, the expectation that you “pay it forward” in some fashion or another. Sorry if I’m speaking out of turn on the matter, but anyone getting upset over that would only have themselves to blame for putting it in there to begin with. 😉 Yup, it’s there for whoever needs it. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6375 "2009-10-31T00:13:05Z")
**Dude!** **Why** in the HELL do the Stormwind Guards keep sending me there when there obviously _isn’t_ a warrior trainer to be found? Just a buncha drunks and none of them described a trainer!:mad: The guy in the SW barracks is also a bitch to find, which is why I like to go to Goldshire where “Lucretia McEvil” (or whatever her name is), is always just standing right there. I DID go to the barracks guy (after 5 minutes of looking for him) so now we’re all trained up. BTW, I know about that little flag, but evenso, for me they’re tough to find. Thanks for the vent!🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6376 "2009-10-31T00:37:29Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > **Why** in the HELL do the Stormwind Guards keep sending me there when there obviously _isn’t_ a warrior trainer to be found? > > Just a buncha drunks and none of them described a trainer!:mad: To be fair, he doesn’t actually say that you will find a warrior _trainer_ at the tavern, just that it’s the best place to find _warriors_. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6377 "2009-10-31T00:40:11Z")
Huh! I never even noticed that. **Whooshed** by an NPC!🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6378 "2009-10-31T00:47:32Z")
> [@Runestar](#): > > So I took a deep breath, swallowed, and took all 8 pieces. I salved my conscience a little bit by depositing a chunk of gold in the guild bank. > > But my oh my, they sure are nice. All that extra mana! > > So, I apologize if someone else had plans for that armor. But I just couldn’t resist!! ☹ In general if there is a limit on what you can take, it will be set by the guild bank manager … All I know is anything I put into the bank is free to anybody who can USE it. You should not take stuff out and sell it for your own profit … but as long as you put it on and use it, it is good. I know I put tradeskill mats and potions in for people to take. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6379 "2009-10-31T01:00:38Z")
…y’all. Anyone else experiencing this? I downloaded a trial version of MS Office Pro '07 today. Could that be it? 333 of 465 GB free? And I can uninstall it, if I need to… Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6380 "2009-10-31T01:28:46Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > In general if there is a limit on what you can take, it will be set by the guild bank manager … > > All I know is anything I put into the bank is free to anybody who can USE it. You should not take stuff out and sell it for your own profit … but as long as you put it on and use it, it is good. > > I know I put tradeskill mats and potions in for people to take. Yeah, the limit for my character for that tab was 10 stacks. Thanks everyone for the reassurance. I know intellectually that the armor wouldn’t be in the guild bank if it wasn’t there for someone to take; but emotionally, taking 8 items (and nice items at that!) at the same time just seemed greedy. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=318) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=320)