# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 326
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6501 "2009-11-04T16:33:41Z")
There aren’t a whole lot of guildies in the right level range at the moment, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6502 "2009-11-04T18:25:50Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > There aren’t a whole lot of guildies in the right level range at the moment, unfortunately. Yeah, I noticed that. Everybody stop levelling so fast! Or, level faster! What we should have done was have everyone roll a new toon at the beginning, reserved for these runs. Except that was over a year ago and there has been turnover in the guild since then. Oh well – if we can’t get a group by 9:00 tonight, maybe Mordrin and I will go back and do Wailing Caverns - somehow we missed that achievement when we were levelling. Need the Stockades, too, but Mordrin is askaird of the run thrugh SW. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6503 "2009-11-04T18:38:48Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Yeah, I noticed that. Everybody stop levelling so fast! Or, level faster! > > What we should have done was have everyone roll a new toon at the beginning, reserved for these runs. Except that was over a year ago and there has been turnover in the guild since then. Oh well – if we can’t get a group by 9:00 tonight, maybe Mordrin and I will go back and do Wailing Caverns - somehow we missed that achievement when we were levelling. Need the Stockades, too, but Mordrin is askaird of the run thrugh SW. Hey, Nahren can always come along if you don’t mind a level 72 with you. 😉 I am sorry I leveled out of range so quickly, but damn if the Druid just isn’t so much fun. And while I’ve got a Warrior and a Mage waiting in the wings, I’m honestly not sure I can stomach classic WoW again without heirlooms to speed things up. So right now I’m prioritizing getting to the Argent Tournament with Nahren. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6504 "2009-11-04T18:47:26Z")
I’d love to come help on my farming DK, but Wednesday is a raid night for me. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6505 "2009-11-04T19:46:22Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > It’s not a _bad_ theory, and I’ve seen it used to good effect in other games. But while it may have worked for Booty Bay in classic WoW, when you could expect 60s to be going through Booty Bay often, the only people in BB these days are level 40s and level 80s. It’s not exactly fair to the lowbies, who couldn’t take down a single 80 if 50 of them got together. Yeah, I was in BB the other day on my lvl 45 draenei warrior, looking for Horde toons to put pumpkin heads on\*, and the place was a ghost town. I only saw two other players total, both Alliance. I have an idea for a “sort of” solution for the BB situation, which is to take a lvl 80 toon and locate the Bloodsail NPC who hands out these quests, and just kill him over and over so he can’t offer the quest, and people can’t get their stupid hat. Anybody know where to find the guy? I know it won’t stop them from getting their rep since that’s received when they actually make the kills, but … - Since I couldn’t find any Hordies in BB, I went to Ratchet, where I managed to tag a blood elf, an orc, and a tauren. All I needed then were a troll and an undead, so I decided to go to Orgrimmar. This could have easily turned into the kind of situation I got into when I did the same thing with my lvl 80 human pally back during Noble Garden\*\*, but fortunately it didn’t. I rode close to Org and spotted a low-level troll outside the gates. I edged closer, but aggroed a guard I hadn’t seen, who hit me from behind. Fortunately, I was still mounted, so I was able to ride away without getting killed or triggering my PvP flag. Rode back (other side of the road this time), and tagged the troll with a pumpkin. Troll ran up to me, for whatever reason, so I /waved at him. Then with perfect timing, an undead rogue galloped past, and I tagged him too for the achievement. \*\* The Noble Garden incident with my pally is still one of the funniest things that’s ever happened to me in the game. I was trying to finish the Shake Your Bunny-Maker achievement for putting bunny ears on lvl 18 female toons, and the only one I had left to do was a female orc. (Hmm. I just checked and I guess I wasn’t quite lvl 80 yet; Noble Garden was late April/early May, and I hit 80 on June 2.) Anyway, I parked myself outside the main gate of Org and waited. And waited. And waited. I stayed out of the guards’ aggro range, but there was a pair of high-70s Hordies standing nearby keeping an eye on me, apparently waiting for me to do something stupid (which, of course, I had no intention of doing). I’ll note here that I was unarmed and unarmored. Instead, I was wearing my Elegant Dress and carrying my bouquet of Spring Flowers. There also happened to be a level 40-something human loitering nearby. I assume she was also looking for somebody to bunny. Unfortunately, she _did_ wander too close to the guards, and was promptly stomped into paste. And so, being a good-hearted paladin, I clicked on her corpse and began to cast Redemption (paladin resurrection spell) … and yeah, that was all for me. My PvP flag flew, those two high-level Hordies pounced, and now there were two human corpses in front of Org :smack: Since I hadn’t seen a single female orc this whole time, I just rezzed at the graveyard and went home. I finally got the achievement in August, when I bunnied a female orc in Dalaran. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6506 "2009-11-04T19:56:39Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I have an idea for a “sort of” solution for the BB situation, which is to take a lvl 80 toon and locate the Bloodsail NPC who hands out these quests, and just kill him over and over so he can’t offer the quest, and people can’t get their stupid hat. Careful you must be. Once you start down the griefing path, forever will it dominate your destiny. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6507 "2009-11-04T20:14:27Z")
w00t! My lvl 80 human paladin, Eilyssana, is now [The Bread Winner](http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1182)! Geez, where did it all go? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6508 "2009-11-04T20:55:20Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > And so, being a good-hearted paladin, I clicked on her corpse and began to cast Redemption (paladin resurrection spell) … and yeah, that was all for me. My PvP flag flew, those two high-level Hordies pounced, and now there were two human corpses in front of Org :smack: Hah! That’s what you get for being all helpful. 😃 Sounds kind of like what happened to me, only I needed a Tauren. So I camped out at the Crossroads. I spent some time running through the town, too, and although I didn’t hit anything, apparently I was standing in there long enough to flag me. And since I was wearing my Noblegarden outfit instead of any of my regular gear, the Hordies who’d been panting for me to flag jumped me and killed me. Unfortunately for them, they had to learn the hard way that an 80 with “Twilight Vanquisher” floating over her head is probably better geared than they are. Especially problematic is when that Prot War has a Resto Druid friend in the area. I rezzed at a distance, threw my tanking set back on, and proceeded to chase down and corpse-camp the foolish kids who screwed with me when all I wanted was my &%#$ achievement. Who, me, vindictive? 😃 > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Geez, where did it all go? IME, hookers and booze. YMMV. (Seriously, try to never look at your income totals… it will just make you cry when you think of all the things you could have bought if you’d budgeted better.) ---
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6509 "2009-11-04T20:57:21Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Geez, where did it all go? dancing female draenei in Goldshire? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6510 "2009-11-04T21:51:49Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > IME, hookers and booze. YMMV. (Seriously, try to never look at your income totals… it will just make you cry when you think of all the things you could have bought if you’d budgeted better.) Actually, it occurred to me after I posted that the almost 6000g in my vanity guild’s bank came from my 80, and she’s also carrying almost 4000g on her person. So most of what she’s spent was earned via looting, mining, and selling other crap on the AH. Lessee … she’s looted 3439g and change … Ah, here we go: Total Gold Acquired: 32326g, 88s, 48c. So while i have almost 10k on hand, I’ve still managed to spend, one way or another, more than 22k. 4 guild bank tabs All riding/flying skills purchased before the recent price drops. Paid something like 1200g for my Titansteel Destroyer, and probably dropped another 2-3k on other crafted armor pieces. ETA: I’ll also note that that “total gold acquired” doesn’t take into account the gold I had to spend to acquire it. Like trying to top off Tailoring by making those top-end level 80 purple robes. Sure, I can sell them on the AH for ~900g, but the mats to make them cost me almost that much, sometimes more. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6511 "2009-11-04T21:54:57Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > My computer…she eez dead! > > As a doornail. As Jacob Marley. As Larry Craig’s political career. > > I’m playing a Big Fish hidden object game and…POOF! Darkness. Nothing. I reboot and…nothing. And the monitor’s acting like it’s getting no signal at all. > > Grrr… Oh noes! :eek: Come back up yet? > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > **Quasi**! I keep forgetting to tell you–I took a look at Wolkie in the Armory, and he’s lookin’ good. Well, of _course_ he is!😉 He’s got one of the best as his in-game guru! (Finally got the multi-quite thing figgered out!🙂 Quasi ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6512 "2009-11-04T21:59:05Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Oh noes! :eek: Come back up yet? No, I’ve been at work all day. I DO have a lead that points to the power supply, but won’t know if just unplugging it and letting it rest a while will fix it or if I have to buy a new one and replace it until I get home. Or if it’s not the power supply after all. That would be what we call a “worst-case scenario”. _nods_ ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6513 "2009-11-04T22:12:37Z")
**jayjay**? Don’t know how fast it would be for WoW, but I have Dell Dim 3K just sitting here gathering dust if it would help? Be glad to ship it to you as a gift? At least you could cannibalize the power supply (or I could cannibalize it for you), if it would work, that is. Can you tell I don’t know much about computers? Wife is the “guru” about that! 😉 Q ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6514 "2009-11-05T01:44:31Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > **jayjay**? > > Don’t know how fast it would be for WoW, but I have Dell Dim 3K just sitting here gathering dust if it would help? Be glad to ship it to you as a gift? > > At least you could cannibalize the power supply (or I could cannibalize it for you), if it would work, that is. > > Can you tell I don’t know much about computers? > > Wife is the “guru” about that! 😉 > > Q I’m going to do some research over the weekend, and I’ll figure out if that would work out and let you know. 🙂 Thank you for offering, either way! ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6515 "2009-11-05T01:56:02Z")
Woot. You may now call me Twilight Vanquisher Tacoloco! ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6516 "2009-11-05T01:57:59Z")
NP… Just let me know!🙂 Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6517 "2009-11-05T15:26:46Z")
Quick thought from last night’s alt instance: wow, Dire Maul West is a hell of a lot harder than DM East. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6518 "2009-11-05T15:27:30Z")
I just sent this PM to the co-GMs of our guild. I’m more than moderately frustrated at the generally lax attitude some folks take toward raiding. I’m not a “hardcore” raider, but I had hoped that people would at least be serious about the time they’re actually raiding. We have people who always show up late for raids, people who will AFK without warning, people who show up for raids unprepared with no reagents, pots and/or flasks. > [@](#): > > I’ve been thinking about things over the last couple of days since I blew a > gasket about people not being on time for raids. What I’ve determined is that > people are going to do what they want to do, regardless of what other people > think. There is no amount of cajoling, rewarding or anything else that will > motivate people to actually show up on time on a regular basis, and show up > regularly for older content like Yogg. > > What I’ve also realized is that this is basically how it is in a “casual” > raiding guild. Some people will be more serious about raiding and others no so > much. This, I supposed, leads to friction when people like me want others to at > least be serious about raid time and really work hard on stuff (like Yogg) and > people who don’t want to put the effort in. > > A very telling point is that for Yogg we have trouble getting enough people on, but > we have a full house for ToC/Ony nights. > > I don’t see any particularly good solutions. Well short of instituting the kinds of > rules and requirements that I don’t think anyone wants. > > For my part, I’m just going to fade into the woodwork. I can’t change people and I > can’t stress over it. I’m just going to show up for raids and do the best I can > every night. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6519 "2009-11-05T16:14:20Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > You know the BoP (er, HoP these days) strat for kiting, right? You have the person being targeted kite Anub all the way down to the opposite end, HoP them and have them sit just off of an ice patch while Anub attacks them (with no effect because of the HoP), and then with one second left on the buff, they run over the ice. Totally maximizes your kiting time, so you shouldn’t go through more than one, maybe two ice patches per burrow phase. We used this on the regular anubarak encounter and it makes it almost trivial. > [@](#): > > Scarabs, I’d assume we just burn down. IMHO, as a healer, managing the scarabs and their debuffs is the secret to clearing anub regular mode. > [@](#): > > Given repair costs, I, for one, am insanely happy that someone else did the dozens (hundreds?) of wipes and long hours of combat-log analysis to work out the strategies. My guild used to do have a lot of server firsts before the core of the guild (like 10 people) left to join some uberguild (before my time, I think they left right after WOTLK) on some other server and my understanding is that they used to wipe more than 100 times a week during progression. That was back when you had 40 people in a raid so the raidwide cost was relatively high. These days most of the wiping is done on the 10 man version so it is a bit cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6520 "2009-11-05T16:18:01Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > BS+JC is godly for plate tanks, so I’d assume it’s similarly awesome for DPSers. Good luck switching over! I’ve thought about switching my main from Alch/Herb to BS/JC, but the time/cash involved is a little daunting, plus I’m a stubborn bitch who refuses to get rid of the profs I’ve had from day one, even if Blizz keeps declining to make them comparably helpful for endgame raiding. 😃 BS+JC is godly for everyone. I have JC but I can’t be bothered to level up BS because it is just too painful gathering all the mats. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=325) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=327)