# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 336
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6701 "2009-11-12T19:16:07Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Welp, last night was a great demonstration of the unglorious side of hardcore raiding: four hours of nothing but wipes. 😃 We were going after Anub on 25-man Heroic, and while we didn’t down him, we made definite progress. I wouldn’t be surprised if we kill him next week. (We didn’t use up all of our 50 attempts, but we’ve got other content to work on, so we probably won’t be back.) The learning curve on it is absolutely insane, though–most of the other TotGC fights click into place once you’ve got your strategy down pat… but this one is on a whole 'nother level. /jealous. Our guild is working on Anub 25 heroic too (and spent four hours wiping last night) but I haven’t gotten to go yet. Ah, well. I was there for the first four heroic 25 kills, so I’ll survive. Good luck to you! > [@](#): > > Tonight: Algalon 25! And it’ll be a realm-first if we down him. If I get sat for that fight… I might have to punch a puppy. I missed the server first for this one too (pauses to punch puppy) but I can’t really blame them on that one since they’d been working on it since before I joined the guild. Sitting around last night listening to them do Anub was kind of hard on me, but things got better afterward–my DK tank joined a 25 man ToC normal pug and ended up with a couple of really nice pieces (the Hauberk of Towering Monstrosity and Dawnbreaker Sabatons–one of the other tanks offered to trade the boots to me for the bracers I’d won, because he had just crafted the Spiked Deathdealers that day and didn’t want to lose all the money. Since the crafted bracers are at or close to BiS, I jumped at the chance. Now tonight I get to have fun gemming and enchanting it all 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6702 "2009-11-12T19:27:08Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > /jealous. Our guild is working on Anub 25 heroic too (and spent four hours wiping last night) but I haven’t gotten to go yet. Helpful hint: be the only full member (vs. initiate) with an unhittable tanking set. 😃 If it makes you feel any better, you don’t actually get a title until you kill him with all 50 attempts remaining. So if you can just eliminate anybody standing in your way by the time they’ve got it down without wiping… > [@](#): > > I missed the server first for this one too (pauses to punch puppy) but I can’t really blame them on that one since they’d been working on it since before I joined the guild. We actually had a guy transfer in with a key. Nobody on the server has completed all the necessary hard modes yet on 25. (IIRC, the only ones we need are Firefighter and Freya+3.) So it’s anybody’s guess as to who’s actually going in… > [@](#): > > the Hauberk of Towering Monstrosity and Dawnbreaker Sabatons Heyyyy, I have those! \*\*Very \*\*nice pieces. P.S., how much better is the Uld/ToC boot model than the Naxx one? I hated those ugly things. These actually look like you could kick somebody’s head in with them. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6703 "2009-11-12T19:31:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > The only way to change an auction price is to cancel the auction and then re-post it. Canceling an auction does \*\*not \*\*refund your deposit, so if you think you’ve overpriced something, it’s generally better to let the auction expire on its own–there’s always a chance some sucker will bite. If you’ve massively underpriced something, though, you’d probably want to cancel and re-post, since you’d probably lose more money off a cheap sale than off the lost deposit. > > Got it, also wanted to add that I’m now making a nice profit off my auctions which keeps the gold flowing in!😉 > > Sprecher has a deeeeeeeelicious Hefe Weiss. (Does Sprecher make it all the way out to you?) > > I’ll have to check that out once times get better! > You don’t even have to buy out your own auction (in fact, that would cost you money, since the AH would take a cut of the sale price). Just mail the cloth back to yourself. > > You mean next time, right, **SFG**? I mean, once an item has been listed, the only way it can be mailed back is to cancel (costing money) or if it is won by bidding on it? Thanks Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6704 "2009-11-12T19:35:09Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > You mean next time, right, **SFG**? I mean, once an item has been listed, the only way it can be mailed back is to cancel (costing money) or if it is won by bidding on it? Correct, next time. And \*\*always \*\*end an auction by canceling it–don’t ever try to bid it up to win it. Even if it’s not your intent, it could look like you’re trying to artificially inflate the price. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6705 "2009-11-12T19:43:28Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Correct, next time. And \*\*always \*\*end an auction by canceling it–don’t ever try to bid it up to win it. Even if it’s not your intent, it could look like you’re trying to artificially inflate the price. CAN you bid on your own auctions? Why would they even allow that, given that it IS, technically, shilling, no matter your actual intentions? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6706 "2009-11-12T19:49:11Z")
Now that you mention, I’m pretty sure you **can’t** bid on your own auctions with another character from the same account, even cross-faction. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6707 "2009-11-12T19:53:05Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > /jealous. Our guild is working on Anub 25 heroic too (and spent four hours wiping last night) but I haven’t gotten to go yet. Ah, well. I was there for the first four heroic 25 kills, so I’ll survive. Good luck to you! Geez we are still trying to get past Beasts on TOTGC 25. Heck we still wipe on regular Anub from time to time. I thought HTOC 10 DPS requirements were tough, they are absolutely outrageous on HTOC 25. Its like everyone has to be almost fully TOC25/HTOC 10 geared. The healing requirement is almost unsustainable and tanks have their hands full trying to maintain threat when all the DPS is going 110%. Its insane. On the other hand. OTOH Killing Anub for the first time on any difficulty level is pretty satisying. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6708 "2009-11-12T19:56:01Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Now that you mention, I’m pretty sure you **can’t** bid on your own auctions with another character from the same account, even cross-faction. To be totally fair, there are a lot of situations where it would be cheaper to buy back the item youself than to have the auction expire and lose your deposit. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6709 "2009-11-12T20:03:01Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Helpful hint: be the only full member (vs. initiate) with an unhittable tanking set. 😃 If it makes you feel any better, you don’t actually get a title until you kill him with all 50 attempts remaining. So if you can just eliminate anybody standing in your way by the time they’ve got it down without wiping… Hmm…I like your ideas, and want to subscribe to your newsletter. 😃 Only problem is, my main is a mage. My tank is my alt, so I doubt he’d ever get to go since we’ve got far better tanks (who already have nearly unhittable tank sets). > [@](#): > > We actually had a guy transfer in with a key. Nobody on the server has completed all the necessary hard modes yet on 25. (IIRC, the only ones we need are Firefighter and Freya+3.) So it’s anybody’s guess as to who’s actually going in… We had a guy with a key too, initially, though now we’ve downed all the hard modes several times so it’s no longer an issue. The only other guild who killed Algalon at all (on 10 player mode only) had a transfer too. > [@](#): > > Heyyyy, I have those! \*\*Very \*\*nice pieces. P.S., how much better is the Uld/ToC boot model than the Naxx one? I hated those ugly things. These actually look like you could kick somebody’s head in with them. I like the Uld model. Haven’t actually tried the new ones on yet (it was very late last night when we finished and I had to get to bed) and never had the Naxx ones. My tank set started mostly with the ToC 5-man gear and worked its way up from there. I was very pleased to get them, though. I’m finding that I _love_ tanking, so anything that makes me better is wonderful. Now I’ll be able to swap out my crappy Titanium Earthguard Ring for the Seal of Ulduar which has been sitting in my bank for ages because I couldn’t afford the def hit, and also get those bracers crafted. I think that will easily suit me very well for tanking anything up to and including TotGC-10 (probably not 25, though–not that I’d get the chance). ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6710 "2009-11-12T20:20:05Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Now that you mention, I’m pretty sure you **can’t** bid on your own auctions with another character from the same account, even cross-faction. :D:D:D:D Heh! I’ve been meaning to try to position **Wollkie** in front of the AH mailbox, log out and log back in as **Wolkie** , sneak up behind him and goose him! 🙂 Wouldn’t work though, right? Time/space paradox;)? Also the account wouldn’t allow it? No joke! I have had _dreams_ of the two “bro’s” riding into town (in the same armor, the same horses) at a very slow pace with the music from “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly” as the soundtrack. That would be **awesome**!🙂 (Also I have very vivid dreams!;)) Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6711 "2009-11-12T21:20:43Z")
Downloading a patch on a **Thursday**? Q ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6712 "2009-11-12T21:27:22Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Downloading a patch on a **Thursday**? > > Q Another one? Or have you not played since Monday? ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6713 "2009-11-12T21:29:34Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Another one? Or have you not played since Monday? Played last night, **Skammer** , till about 2 am…😕 Q ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6714 "2009-11-12T21:50:55Z")
Nope, apparently there’s another one, probably to fix the problem where you couldn’t launch more than one instance of WoW on the same machine (at least not in the normal way). According to the comments in [WoW.com](http://WoW.com), some people are having problems with it and some are sailing through just fine. I hope they get it all ironed out before I get home from work tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6715 "2009-11-12T22:07:25Z")
It lasted 35 minutes with me, **winterhawk 11**.🙂 Quasi ETA: Just wanted to add that the Winterspring Firewater which increases **Wolkie’s** size and attack ability, also (well, DUH, Quasi!) makes his Gryphon fly slower and himself heavier for **Silka** in addition to slowing him down just a tad. I know I’m pointing out the obvious, but someimtes I’m just amazed at the "correct-a-ditity of the game! ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6716 "2009-11-12T22:36:19Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > ETA: Just wanted to add that the Winterspring Firewater which increases **Wolkie’s** size and attack ability, also (well, DUH, Quasi!) makes his Gryphon fly slower and himself heavier for **Silka** in addition to slowing him down just a tad. You still move at the same speed, but since you are bigger, each step is longer so the game need slow the animation down otherwise the animation won’t match your movement relative to the ground. If you use something the shrinks you, such as the Noggenfogger Elixir, your animation will speed up instead. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6717 "2009-11-12T22:48:10Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Of course, that’s provided I can find a new job again soon and don’t have to shut off WoW. ☹ Not that $15/month is a huge deal either way, and I’m gonna need at least some entertainment while job hunting. We turned off the satellite TV when I lost my job and kept WoW - WoW being the better entertainment buy. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6718 "2009-11-12T22:50:00Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > It lasted 35 minutes with me, **winterhawk 11**.🙂 > > Quasi Thanks for the warning, Quasi. I wasn’t planning to play tonight but I’ll log in on both my computers just to get that patch out of the way so I don’t have to do it tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6719 "2009-11-12T23:11:20Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Thanks for the warning, Quasi. I wasn’t planning to play tonight but I’ll log in on both my computers just to get that patch out of the way so I don’t have to do it tomorrow. 🙂 Glad to help! (finally I can help 'stead of always asking for it!:)) Q ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6720 "2009-11-12T23:36:33Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > You still move at the same speed, but since you are bigger, each step is longer so the game need slow the animation down otherwise the animation won’t match your movement relative to the ground. > If you use something the shrinks you, such as the Noggenfogger Elixir, your animation will speed up instead. Indeed. Play a gnome for a while and you feel like you’re zipping all over the place. Then switch to a tauren and experience for yourself the word “lumbering” 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=335) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=337)