# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 344
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6861 "2009-11-17T22:33:31Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > That was my experience up till last night’s H ToC, where we had multiple wipes on the first set of bosses until the healer stopped healing me and my incautious melee dps ass and just concentrated on keeping the tank up, which was fine – I had to fly back in a couple times but we took out the 3 in one try once he started doing that; then we smashed through Eadric the Pure without any difficulties and wound up killing the third phase of the Black Knight with the healer and tank on about 15% life/mana each and everyone else dead. Fun, albeit pretty expensive in terms of repairs. Nice! Those nail-biters are fun as well, it makes you feel like you really earned it. ToC is great because if you screw up, the entrance is right there, you jump back in, buff up, and go again! I always hated wiping on other heroics because you had like a 1.5 mile run back to where you left off. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6862 "2009-11-17T22:39:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Sometimes I’ll deliberately log in my fishing gear or even in a “festive dress” purely cosmetic “in-town” outfit just to piss off those obsessed with gear score. 😃 I do that too! I have tuxedos, wedding dresses, haliscan suits, all sorts of goofy nonsense. Ever see a male orc or male dwarf in a wedding dress? Hideous 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6863 "2009-11-17T22:47:38Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Aha, hadn’t thought about the realm forum; I’ll have to check that out. I have been looking forward to 3.3 when it should be a lot easier to get a PUG quickly. I’m really interested to see how the new LFG/random grouping system plays out on the live realms. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > There is no need to call out because the priest can set up his grid to detect whether or not the player has the levitate buff. They can see it… If they have the time to watch for it. Our healers are busy keeping the tanks alive, so they don’t have the concentration to spare. Having the DPS call “Levitate Hunter XYZ” saves precious seconds. > [@](#): > > Tank switching is about the most important part of the encounter and a couple of missed taunts in a row mean a wipe, there are just some tank classes that are better tank switching than others. AFAIK, every tanking class has at least two taunts or taunt-like skills. For example, as a Prot Warrior, I have Taunt, Mocking Blow, and Challenging Shout. If your Hit is low, there’s probably a glyph you can pick up, too. (For example, I currently have Glyph of Taunt, because I literally cannot afford even a tiny chance of a Taunt missing on Anub adds in TotGC.) > [@Jbone](#): > > But it still won’t stop the “lfm H UP, PST w/gs” in trade channel. Also fun: “lnk epic acheev” :rolleyes: > [@Bosstone](#): > > My experience is that neither option is an automated healer only requiring you to push the buttons. All Grid really does for me is present the same information the standard unit frames do in a customizable display that’s far easier to read. This whole post was great. I really don’t get the addon hatred: nothing automates your job, it just makes the layout more conducive to doing it easily. A good UI for a healer is not a good UI for a DPS is not a good UI for a tank, and Blizzard’s plays it pretty basic. So why not make use of a tool that helps you do your job better? It just strikes me as something like, oh, I dunno, a mechanic taking ten hours to change a tire because he insisted on using his bare hands instead of a tire iron. > [@Jbone](#): > > This was also one of my “I will nots”, thanks for the reminder! > -I will not join a guild that has an application process. You definitely have a very solid idea of what you want to get out of the game and how you want to play it. Sounds like you’re almost a polar opposite of me: I’m always happy to pick up a new addon that will help me do my job better, if there’s a way I could change my spec/gear/ability priority to do my job better I want to hear about it, and if a guild doesn’t have an application, it’s probably not one I want to be in. 😃 Oh, and **Tom Scud** , there are a couple of potential first bosses that can be horrible on melee DPS for ToC5. Watch out for the Warrior (Whirlwind) and the Rogue (poison clouds on the ground), especially. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6864 "2009-11-17T22:51:44Z")
While I’m not into guilding, I do notice some very clever names. A player named Äpocalypse (note umlaut). Belongs to a guild called “Mind Your Manas”.😉 Q ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6865 "2009-11-17T22:58:12Z")
Quasi, people use special characters (including umlauts) when the name they want is taken. No intention of cleverness or alternate pronunciation. 😃 Also makes me think of a story of fans at some Mötley Crüe show in Europe greeting the band with enthusiastic chants of “Mootley Croo-eh!” ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6866 "2009-11-17T23:04:23Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Quasi, people use special characters (including umlauts) when the name they want is taken. No intention of cleverness or alternate pronunciation. 😃 > > Also makes me think of a story of fans at some Mötley Crüe show in Europe greeting the band with enthusiastic chants of “Mootley Croo-eh!” To hijack a bit, during his review of Brütal Legend, [Yahtzee](http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1044-Brutal-Legend) insists on pronouncing it Bruetal Legend, because he took lessons in German and by god he’s going to say umlauts when he sees them. Cracks me up. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6867 "2009-11-17T23:12:41Z")
I have the dance down! I didn’t die to green lava once last night. Woo hoo. In fact, we got Heigan down to 7 percent. With the protadin tank, me, a resto shaman, and an enhance shaman being the last people standing. The four of us got Heigan down a fair piece by ourselves after everyone else died (mostly to lava). When the shamans went down, that did for us. People were yelling in chat and, I assume, in vent, but I didn’t check because I was so nervous and hyped that I was tunnel visioning on the fight and praying for my goddamn CDs to come off CD faster. Hell, my face and arms went numb to the elbow with adrenaline and I didn’t stop shaking for a good few minutes afterward. _Seven effing percent_. 😛 😃 Question for **Damuri** , **SFG** , and co, since all y’all are talking disc atm, how do you judge disc priest absorbs against traditional priest/shaman/druid healing? I ask since in addition to the resto shaman, we had two disc priests, one geared and one less so, and gear aside, I’d like to try to get my head around how to determine whether disc priests are doing well or not. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6868 "2009-11-17T23:21:13Z")
_sigh_ Did get the power supply. Did install it. The fans run now. But no boot. I think the old PS took out the hard drive when it went (o/`We will all go together when we go...o/`). I’m going to try to get it to a friend who does computers and see if anything is salvageable. My Windows was OEM…I have no disks. My backup consisted of System Recovery. This promises to be…difficult… ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6869 "2009-11-17T23:29:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Oh, and **Tom Scud** , there are a couple of potential first bosses that can be horrible on melee DPS for ToC5. Watch out for the Warrior (Whirlwind) and the Rogue (poison clouds on the ground), especially. I think we had both of them plus the shammy (chain lightning! heals!) last night. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6870 "2009-11-17T23:29:40Z")
In the past few weeks, I’ve lost most of my desire to raid. Part of the reason is that we’re not progressing. We do the same 25 man content every week, which does not include hard modes. Ulduar 25, TOC 25 and Ony. And then we spend a few nights failing on Yogg, if we have enough on. The main reason we’re not progressing is because we keep having to teach new people the fights and we have to build our raid cohesion again. We had people in last night’s raid who had never done some of the keepers and General Vezax. For some reason our guild master just wants to continue to work on Yogg instead of trying to work on some of the hard modes (many of which require less coordination and situational awareness than Yogg). I might just have to take a long raid break. It’s not fun for me right now. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6871 "2009-11-17T23:32:05Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > _sigh_ > > Did get the power supply. Did install it. The fans run now. I was afraid of that. The power supply touches every part of the computer, and if it goes wonky, it can cause other parts of the computer to wonk out as well. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6872 "2009-11-18T01:40:59Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I > > This whole post was great. I really don’t get the addon hatred: nothing automates your job, it just makes the layout more conducive to doing it easily. A good UI for a healer is not a good UI for a DPS is not a good UI for a tank, and Blizzard’s plays it pretty basic. So why not make use of a tool that helps you do your job better? It just strikes me as something like, oh, I dunno, a mechanic taking ten hours to change a tire because he insisted on using his bare hands instead of a tire iron. > > . I like certain mods, but for some reason, i prefer to do my fights macroless/modless, I feel that it is more flexible for me. But then again I have been playing MMORPGs since 1999 and I am more comfortable with doing things old school. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6873 "2009-11-18T02:03:08Z")
> [@Jbone](#): > > That sounds like the way to go. Something about it just doesn’t sit with me though, even if it is painless and easy. I somewhat agree with you. In fact, I joined Black Axe two years before we started applications so I never had to deal with it, and in some cases we invite people in before they apply (in which case the app is a formality). But we really were getting deluged - it happened about the time we had a good enough team for end-game raiding. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6874 "2009-11-18T02:24:50Z")
I use a bunch of mods, but I’ve been cutting back to try to improve performance. As far as applying to a guild, I wouldn’t worry about it, unless the guild’s application shows you they’re complete dicks. We have a simple application form. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6875 "2009-11-18T03:27:10Z")
In regard to add-ons, I have recently lost faith in Quest Helper as any kind of 100 % accurate guide to completing my quests. When logging on lately, I’ve noticed that “Quest Helper needs your help message”. Anyone know what that’s about? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6876 "2009-11-18T03:31:36Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > I like certain mods, but for some reason, i prefer to do my fights macroless/modless, I feel that it is more flexible for me. But then again I have been playing MMORPGs since 1999 and I am more comfortable with doing things old school. Heck, I’ve been playing MMOs since Ultima Online and MUDs before that, and I adore addons. WoW is the first game I’ve seen where player-developed programs are encouraged, and I admire that about Blizzard (even if I sometimes cynically think it’s just so they can steal ideas without having to think them up themselves). > [@Quasimodem](#): > > When logging on lately, I’ve noticed that “Quest Helper needs your help message”. Some addons like Questhelper rely on player input to provide information, and this is actually how it becomes more accurate. If a player, say, has a quest in their quest log that Questhelper doesn’t know about, then the player reporting that to the QH coder helps everyone. It is optional, though, so you’re free to ignore it as you please. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6877 "2009-11-18T03:52:05Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > When logging on lately, I’ve noticed that “Quest Helper needs your help message”. > > Anyone know what that’s about? It could also be a nag message, like shareware. Kind of an “If you like using QuestHelper, please donate to the developer so s/he can continue improving the add-on” sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6878 "2009-11-18T05:07:29Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > WoW is the first game I’ve seen where player-developed programs are encouraged, and I admire that about Blizzard (even if I sometimes cynically think it’s just so they can steal ideas without having to think them up themselves). Well why not? It worked for Microsoft 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6879 "2009-11-18T08:19:14Z")
So, funny little story. **SFG** made one of her rare appearances on Cairne last night while I was getting my fishing skill up (227 to 277 in 3 hours, man that’s a killer). I mentioned that I needed to get my hands on the fish tracking manual eventually. After pulling up like 200+ fish in the Barrens (the oases are really quite relaxing), I needed a short break, so I wandered over to Stonetalon and found an Oil Spill. First cast got me a Watertight Trunk, and voila, inside was the Weather-Beaten Journal. 😃 Now I’m fully equipped to try the Stranglethorn Fishing Extravaganza. I’ve yet to actually enter with any character, so this could be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6880 "2009-11-18T11:27:00Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > First cast got me a Watertight Trunk, and voila, inside was the Weather-Beaten Journal. 😃 > > Now I’m fully equipped to try the Stranglethorn Fishing Extravaganza. I’ve yet to actually enter with any character, so this could be fun. I’m curious if that now works to track Tastyfish pools. Last time I tried the competition (a long time ago), fish pool tracking didn’t show those. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=343) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=345)