# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 350
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6981 "2009-11-19T17:27:22Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Warriors actually have good snap AOE with Thunder Clap + Shockwave, and then lolcleavespam to help hold things. The real problem with VH on a Prot War is Rage. There’s generally juuuuuuust enough time between portals for all of your Rage to drain away from the last pack, leaving you scrambling to pick everything up if Bloodrage is on CD. (Thanks, Blizzard, for having us drop combat between portals. Jerks.) Ooh, yeah, I can see that. VH is much friendlier to Death Knights - the time between portals is generally just enough to get Death and Decay off of cooldown, which is handy. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6982 "2009-11-19T17:29:26Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > That 5000g is tough. It definitely is. My Druid started at level 1, never did any profession other than Mining and Skinning, sold _everything_ he came across, only spent money on skills (and occasionally cheap greens from the AH to fill out the secondary spec), and still only made 6000 gold by level 77 (which by that time is enough for dual spec, epic flight, and Cold Weather Flying, 1000 + 4000 + 1000). ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6983 "2009-11-19T18:20:48Z")
I use a MS split keyboard and a Sidewinder mouse. I’ve been experimenting with the Logitech G13 keypad, though. Not on my main, just on the lower level characters as they’re more forgiving of flub ups and have fewer buttons that need binding. Looking at the speedpad, it’s got a thumb joystick that I imagine can be modified like the thumb stick on my G13. When using the keypad, I steer with the thumb stick and the mouse – the thumb stick is bound to forward/back/strafe. And I keep the Logitech profiler software popped up in a window so I can change bindings/doublecheck what I have bound to what. So far, I like the keypad – it’s very comfortable for me to use, ergonomically wise, and I can organize my bars onscreen differently from how they’re plunked onto the keypad. I don’t have everything bound yet, though, just the basic stuff + attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6984 "2009-11-19T18:32:25Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I shiv you both and ninja the whole bank… much drama! _ **OH NO YOU DIDN’T!!!** _ My pally just learned the secret “Spank” talent…and she’s determined to use it on naughty little ninja rogues…😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6985 "2009-11-19T18:39:00Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > My pally just learned the secret “Spank” talent…and she’s determined to use it on naughty little ninja rogues. Ooh, normally I have to pay extra for that. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6986 "2009-11-19T18:48:02Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Fairly soon I plan on using Kene to d/e all the green 70+ gear in the gbank and replacing them with the resulting mats. Then anyone in the guild who wants an enchant (or imbued cloth for your own bag) will be able to get mats from the gbank. I need to collect some mats for enchanting my gear (about 5 pieces). My pally will pick up lvl 70-80 gear and send it to my bank alt (aptly named “Bankofyeti”) and when I got a good dozen or so items, would it be alright to mail them to you so you can DE them? Mail them back to my bank alt (or Yeticalayla) and when I have the right amount of mats, can you please enchant them whenever we meet up in Dalaran? Some enchants are gonna be somewhat easy, others might take a while, but I see that I need to at least make an attempt at maxing out my stats. Just tell me if I am missing something in this thought process. As for Blacksmithing, anyone leveling up (including the new guildies); just let me know if you need a link to see what I can make for you. I do have a ton of Saronite, lots of adamantite…that stuff is readily available for BS stuff for you. With a few other purchases or quick collecting of lower level mats, I can make lower level gear, but it takes a little more time. Just hit me up if you see me online or mail me online. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6987 "2009-11-19T18:58:26Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I need to collect some mats for enchanting my gear (about 5 pieces). My pally will pick up lvl 70-80 gear and send it to my bank alt (aptly named “Bankofyeti”) and when I got a good dozen or so items, would it be alright to mail them to you so you can DE them? Mail them back to my bank alt (or Yeticalayla) and when I have the right amount of mats, can you please enchant them whenever we meet up in Dalaran? Some enchants are gonna be somewhat easy, others might take a while, but I see that I need to at least make an attempt at maxing out my stats. Just tell me if I am missing something in this thought process. Sure, I’ve done this for plenty of our guildies. We have other enchanters who can do the same but I foget who they are, Muzungu maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6988 "2009-11-19T18:59:46Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Sure, I’ve done this for plenty of our guildies. We have other enchanters who can do the same but I foget who they are, Muzungu maybe? Ya. Not sure if we have any other max-level enchanters right now. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6989 "2009-11-19T19:06:01Z")
I can’t wait (can’t. wait.) until they add in the functionality to search your guildies’ professions. Sooooo tedious to have to wait for someone to be online so you can ask if they have a recipe, instead of just being able to search for a recipe and then see who in the guild has it. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6990 "2009-11-19T19:20:39Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Ooh, normally I have to pay extra for that. It’s a complimentary service of the Burning Spank Legion… ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6991 "2009-11-19T19:30:14Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > They can see it… If they have the time to watch for it. Our healers are busy keeping the tanks alive, so they don’t have the concentration to spare. Having the DPS call “Levitate Hunter XYZ” saves precious seconds. Our priests don’t seem to have problems. When you don’t have to worry about standing in fires, you can literally just stare at your grid screen and click on folks. It is a lot easier to identify buffs on a grid raidframe than identify names, at least for me. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6992 "2009-11-19T19:39:08Z")
> [@Jbone](#): > > -Paladin holy/prot. I just drag the groups straight from the raid window and arrange them on either side of my action bars. It stacks them in groups of 5 that just shows health/mana/debuffs. I then have 2 additional focuses for the MT and OT to keep them at a priority. > > Ahh that might explain it. My understanding is that Holy Paladins are very good tank healers and not so good at raid healing so the raid is probably not relying on you to quickly and reflexively heal the entire raid. > > -I wouldn’t say you suck at all. You get the tools you need to get the job done. I probably will not see any hardmodes so whatever I do now is working for me. I did raid heals the other night in 25-toc reg…just popped a beacon on the MT and flash healed/holy shocked to keep everyone up and dropped holy light for any debuffs. We only did up to champions so anything beyond that I cannot guarantee that same strategy would work, but I would find one that would. > > Well, you can pretty much faceroll through twins (pally healers are godly on twins with beacon for the tans and resto druids are indispensible for the raidwide aoe) with 5 and 10 man toc gear and some ulduar gear, anubarak is likely to be your first real gear check if you can make it past northrend beasts. > > -[FONT=“Fixedsys”]It looks like you’re going to have to bring it up either way now. I hope it goes well. She has been bowing out of the HTOC 10s. When the guild is ready for HTOC 25, she will jump in because you have enough healers that you can have a healer focus almost exclusively on the tanks but for now, she is jsut doing the regulart 10 and 25 TOCs. I think she has now downloaded clique but has not set it up yet. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6993 "2009-11-19T19:42:22Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Right now I tentatively lean toward it being a good thing that Blizzard puts this stuff in the core game, but it still leaves a bit of a sour feeling. Well I would bet that the blizzrd UI doesn’t have nearly the functionality or versatility of Questhelper. After Blizzard came out with a wardrobe function people kept using Outfitter and outfitter has actually integrated itself into the new UI. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6994 "2009-11-19T20:09:40Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > It’s a complimentary service of the Burning Spank Legion… Sorry, guys, I’m pulling my Hunter out of BDL and making \. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Our priests don’t seem to have problems. When you don’t have to worry about standing in fires, you can literally just stare at your grid screen and click on folks. It is a lot easier to identify buffs on a grid raidframe than identify names, at least for me. It’s a case of YMMV, I guess. On last night’s run, the Priest doing Levitate actually said he didn’t need it called out. I say, “Meh.” > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > After Blizzard came out with a wardrobe function people kept using Outfitter and outfitter has actually integrated itself into the new UI. Yup, I still use Outfitter. I’m just used to its quirks and features. Plus, AFAIK the Blizzard manager doesn’t make a separate bar–you’d have to use up action bar slots if you wanted buttons you could easily click. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6995 "2009-11-19T20:11:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Yup, I still use Outfitter. I’m just used to its quirks and features. Plus, AFAIK the Blizzard manager doesn’t make a separate bar–you’d have to use up action bar slots if you wanted buttons you could easily click. Yep. I use the in-game feature, since I only really have 2-3 outfits per character anyway, and they can go sit over on the right edge of the screen with my trade skills and hearths. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6996 "2009-11-19T20:14:11Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Ya. Not sure if we have any other max-level enchanters right now. Three enchanters at 450: Kene, Muzungu and Kruler. Next in line: Koane at 360. Haven’t seen much of Kruler or Koane lately…but maybe it’s the hours that I play. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6997 "2009-11-19T20:15:23Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Minor drama regarding my guild… > > 1. From last weekend’s Uld10 run, a hunter (also a guild officer) rolled for some purple bracers off Razorscale. He was the only roller and won. Then we notice that it’s a BOE item; our policy for that is everyone greeds for their twinks/selling/whatever, but if you need it as an upgrade, then you can Need roll. We ask if he needs it, he says yeah, we say OK, you keep it. Fast forward to last night, when one of our officers sees that person has put the item up for sale in the AH. We usually either make people bind it during the raid or if noone else needs it we put it in the “deposit only” guild tab and auction it off for DKP on our website to folks who might not have been able to attend the raid and must bind it immediately. If we don’t get enough interest we put it on the AH (we have an officer in guild that seems to live on the AH and he handles all the guild transactions, he’s older and totally trustworthy and his grandson is in the guild). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6998 "2009-11-19T20:24:41Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Yep. I use the in-game feature, since I only really have 2-3 outfits per character anyway, and they can go sit over on the right edge of the screen with my trade skills and hearths. Yeah, that totally wouldn’t work for me. Just on the bar, I have five tanking sets, my DPS set, and my Naked button (for quick mashing when I accidentally dismount myself midair). No way could I find that much room on my other action bars. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/6999 "2009-11-19T20:34:52Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Three enchanters at 450: Kene, Muzungu and Kruler. > Next in line: Koane at 360. > > Haven’t seen much of Kruler or Koane lately…but maybe it’s the hours that I play. Yeah, Kruler (aka Long Time Lurker) posted in the other BDL thread that he’s taking a break. He hasn’t been on in a couple of months. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7000 "2009-11-19T20:41:27Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Yep. I use the in-game feature, since I only really have 2-3 outfits per character anyway, and they can go sit over on the right edge of the screen with my trade skills and hearths. I use in the in-game one now too. Now if we could only get them to add a “gear bag” or “gear locker” feature where we didn’t have to use up so much bag space carrying different gear sets. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=349) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=351)