# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 351
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7001 "2009-11-19T20:45:57Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well I would bet that the blizzrd UI doesn’t have nearly the functionality or versatility of Questhelper. After Blizzard came out with a wardrobe function people kept using Outfitter and outfitter has actually integrated itself into the new UI. Oh, I know. As I said in that post, Blizzard doesn’t always get all the functionality in, so the addon generally still has a purpose. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Yeah, that totally wouldn’t work for me. Just on the bar, I have five tanking sets, my DPS set, **and my Naked button (for quick mashing** when I accidentally dismount myself midair). No way could I find that much room on my other action bars. I know there’s some kind of joke there, and I will find it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7002 "2009-11-19T21:27:30Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Ahahahahaha! So here’s the full run-down on what happened last night, in case anybody enjoys laughing about stupid guild drama as much as I do: > > > [@](#): > > > > [Guy with the Alg25 key] and [friend] were kicked because [friend] was unable to stay online and we were going to do Alg 25 without her, [key guy] refused to open the Alg door unless we rescheduled for whenever [friend] could come, so they were removed. > > > > [Officer] and [brother] have been trying to get [other officer] demoted or removed so [brother] could take his place, when [GM] obtained proof that this was true they saw the jig was up and quit. Well, that’s hard core. People taking WOW way too seriously. Why did you guys kick the friend? What did she do wrong other than not be able to stay for the raid? IIRC your guild is the top guild by a pretty wide margin, it sounds liike this guy is going to have to switch servers again if he wants to use that key and its not like you guys aren’ t ever going to get a key on your own. The brother issue is way too much drama for a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7003 "2009-11-19T21:29:41Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well, that’s hard core. People taking WOW way too seriously. Why did you guys kick the friend? What did she do wrong other than not be able to stay for the raid? Some kind of package deal, AIUI. The friend would probably have left anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7004 "2009-11-19T21:31:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > She has been bowing out of the HTOC 10s. When the guild is ready for HTOC 25, she will jump in because you have enough healers that you can have a healer focus almost exclusively on the tanks but for now, she is jsut doing the regulart 10 and 25 TOCs. I think she has now downloaded clique but has not set it up yet. That could be it as well. I’ve only done tank heals on 10 man, I’d be curious to see what would happen if I did raid (probably epic fails, but it’d be fun to try!). 25 man, IMO, is so much easier because you have others to back you up (I remember once doing a 25-naxx group that ran with 3 tanks and I was the dedicated OOT healer…how boring!). I’m almost tempted now to bite my tongue and try one out, just to see the “other side” of things. ---
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7005 "2009-11-19T21:33:44Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Some kind of package deal, AIUI. The friend would probably have left anyway. Boot 'em all! Ask questions later! 😃 I agree, the friend would have bailed anyway. Better safe than sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7006 "2009-11-19T21:37:11Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > I really regret asking questions sometimes. …I thought I’d ask if they could share any information. You did nothing wrong in asking. The guild leadership probably dropped the ball in implying that there would be changes before they knew what those changes would be. > [@](#): > > I just wanted to know what the changes might be so I can decide about whether I want to take a break from raiding or not. I know what the rules are now and what I lose by taking some raid time off. But if the rules change, I may decide to not take much time off to preserve my position. > > In most ways I don’t care what the rules are, I just want to know what they are and how they will affect me. This is fair and if the guild wants to incentivize people to stick around and grind out TOC and Ulduar to gear up some of the undergeared folks then fine but they need to up front and clear about that. For example, our guild has had great attendance on TOC raid nights and really crappy attendance on Ulduar nights so we kicked up the DKP for Ulduar bosses (they were basically on farm so they yielded very low DKP in fact one night of Ulduar raiding yielded as much DKP as Anubarak before they bumped up the DKP). Then one night “Solace of the Fallen” dropped in TOC 25 and it went to a relatively new healer so a long time healer who hadn’t looted anything in a month got upset and contested the award and the guild leader made it a point to go through the DKP awards on a raid by raid basis and it became obvious that skipping the Ulduar raid was going to make you fall behind pretty quickly (one Ulduar raid night now yields about half of what you get on a TOC night). We lost a couple of folks who thought that this was unfair but we have had full Ulduar raids since then. If you don’t mind starting fresh from zero at the beginning of 3.3 or when Cataclysm rolls out (I intend to take a break between killing Arthas and Cataclysm), then fine but there are going to be folks who play all the way through and might be getting several items before you get your first 3.3 drop. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7007 "2009-11-19T21:41:17Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Yup, I still use Outfitter. I’m just used to its quirks and features. Plus, AFAIK the Blizzard manager doesn’t make a separate bar–you’d have to use up action bar slots if you wanted buttons you could easily click. Yeah, as a druid, I don’t know what I would do without it. I am pretty ineffectual as a bear tank in our current raid content but in my full tank gear I am more than a enough of a speedbump even though I am in my resto spec. It has meant the difference between a wipe and a win at least twice. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7008 "2009-11-19T21:43:42Z")
> [@Jbone](#): > > Boot 'em all! Ask questions later! 😃 Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7009 "2009-11-19T21:56:41Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > You are automatically partied with the rest of the of your Horde (or Alliance) when you join a BG, so your fish feast can be used by anyone in your party. I do like to drop a fish feast at the starting point to give our side a slight boost in the beginning. Coolness 🙂 > [@](#): > > My Ret pally uses [dragonfin fillet](http://www.elsanglin.com/fish/dragonfin_filet.html) (+40 STR & +40 STA) for soloing. Can’t remember what spec your pally is though… I’m a Ret pally as well, and Dragonfin Fillet is my favorite food. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7010 "2009-11-19T21:57:41Z")
> [@Jbone](#): > > That could be it as well. I’ve only done tank heals on 10 man, I’d be curious to see what would happen if I did raid (probably epic fails, but it’d be fun to try!). 25 man, IMO, is so much easier because you have others to back you up (I remember once doing a 25-naxx group that ran with 3 tanks and I was the dedicated OOT healer…how boring!). > > I’m almost tempted now to bite my tongue and try one out, just to see the “other side” of things. Its not as much of a transition for a pally as it might be for another class, but a good pally healers patches up any burst damage absorbed by the raid. So if an add aggros DPS, a good pally healer will be able to throw a flash of light on them and give the regular raid healers some support. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7011 "2009-11-19T22:03:43Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Now if we could only get them to add a “gear bag” or “gear locker” feature where we didn’t have to use up so much bag space carrying different gear sets. [Foror’s Crate of Endless Resist Gear Storage](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23162) 😃 (Be sure to read the tooltip.) Now, if only it were real… Sigh. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why did you guys kick the friend? (a) They were part of a package deal and (b) IIRC, she was in on it. FWIW, there was a third person in the group who stayed (or got a re-invite) after making it clear that he was not involved. > [@](#): > > IIRC your guild is the top guild by a pretty wide margin, it sounds liike this guy is going to have to switch servers again if he wants to use that key and its not like you guys aren’ t ever going to get a key on your own. The margin’s closer now, but the next guild is still a boss or two behind us. And the guild that key-guy and his friend went to… I don’t even think they’re on the radar. We’re just going to have to push to get Mimi and Freya down on hardmode so we can start over with our own key. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7012 "2009-11-19T22:05:35Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I can’t wait (can’t. wait.) until they add in the functionality to search your guildies’ professions. Sooooo tedious to have to wait for someone to be online so you can ask if they have a recipe, instead of just being able to search for a recipe and then see who in the guild has it. The [Altoholic](http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/altoholic.aspx) mod does this, and much much more, at least with other people in your guild that also have the mod. If you’re anywhere near as much of an alt nut as I am you’ll find it a great mod to have even just for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7013 "2009-11-19T22:09:05Z")
> [@Mekhazzio](#): > > The [Altoholic](http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/altoholic.aspx) mod does this, and much much more, at least with other people in your guild that also have the mod. If you’re anywhere near as much of an alt nut as I am you’ll find it a great mod to have even just for yourself. I keep meaning to pick it up (although it’s not as big a deal as when most of my alts were on one server). Guess this is another reason. (I doubt it picks up anybody but others with the addon, but even that’s better than nothing.) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7014 "2009-11-19T22:28:16Z")
Just a quick status report, sort of… Figmo is now Champion Of The Horde, and Dotbot and MooTseTung are following close behind. Engineering on Ivorae is now 450, and is working on the rep to be able to make Choppers. Steelhand has been tanking (succesfully) and Klaw is getting ready to do more tanking (like he used to during TBC). Queron is now dual spec shadow and holy (I just like shadow too much to quit it), Popgunn is now both frost and fire, and Moo is now enhance and resto. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7015 "2009-11-19T23:15:00Z")
[![](https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/wolkesdmb1.jpg) ](https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/wolkesdmb1.jpg) Also, **Rik**? I tried to move QH over where I could see **Wolkie’s** battle stats, but was unable to. Sorry Q ---
**Author:** ![My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Darn_Snake_Legs)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7016 "2009-11-20T03:30:07Z")
Well, I was going to see about moving one of my 80s over to BDL so that I could run with you guys, but it would cost me $55 to move one toon and switch factions. What a rip, man. It seems to me that these things should come as a package. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Darn_Snake_Legs)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7017 "2009-11-20T03:39:51Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > [http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/wolkesdmb1.jpg](http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/wolkesdmb1.jpg) Wow, stock bar setup, eh? Have you ever tried to use Bartender? It will let you get rid of elements you don’t need and arrange and scale everything. Great addon. If you type “/qh treset” it will move that tracker for you and you can click on a little glowing square (usually it’s in the text someplace) so you can put that where you want it. If you can’t get to that square, you could turn off those two side bars until you move the qh tracker and then turn them back on. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7018 "2009-11-20T04:04:50Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > [http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/wolkesdmb1.jpg](http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/wolkesdmb1.jpg) > > Also, **Rik**? > > I tried to move QH over where I could see **Wolkie’s** battle stats, but was unable to. I see the problem … Like **My Darn Snake Legs** said, temporarily turn off those action bars on the right Hit Esc to go to the Menu, then click Interface, then select Action Bars, and uncheck “Right Bar” and “Right Bar 2”. Now you’ll be able to see the little square in the QH text. The square will be in the upper-right corner, which is currently hidden behind your action bars. Click on that square and drag the whole shebang over to the left side of your screen. (Note: When you move it over to the left, the little square will also move to the upper-_left_ corner of the QH text.) Now go back and turn your “Right Bar” and “Right Bar 2” back on 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7019 "2009-11-20T05:25:00Z")
You know, I always think “Raiders gripe so much about repair costs. They can’t be that bad, can they? Just a few gold you can make back in a single daily, right?” And then I died 6 or 7 times in one Heroic TOC. 13 gold right there, and only 3 of my items are ilevel 200 or over. Harsh. ETA: It wasn’t all bad, though. I got [Armbands of the Wary Lookout](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47496) and [Treads of Dismal Fortune](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47248) from that one run, since I was the only leather DPS. Suddenly I’m starting to get pretty buff. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Darn_Snake_Legs)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7020 "2009-11-20T05:45:22Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > You know, I always think “Raiders gripe so much about repair costs. They can’t be that bad, can they? Just a few gold you can make back in a single daily, right?” > > And then I died 6 or 7 times in one Heroic TOC. 13 gold right there, and only 3 of my items are ilevel 200 or over. Harsh. Gratz on the new gear! It almost makes the deaths worth it. Once you start getting epics you start having to pay a lot more. Tyrchon has to pay about 13g/10% durability loss. I don’t die a lot, but when I do it makes a little dent in my pocket. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=350) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=352)