# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 365
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7281 "2009-12-01T18:42:43Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Also, after we killed Sirana, that’s when I noticed I’d gone into battle without my Retribution Aura :smack: I had logged out the night before in my PvP spec/gear, and switched back to my PvE spec/gear when I logged in. Apparently switching specs cancels my auras. One more thing to remember … Switching specs tends to take off the buffs you had cast, too, including debuffing your raid if you’ve buffed them up and then switched specs. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7282 "2009-12-01T18:56:21Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > What I meant was that I _assume_ the BG reward gear you can spend Honor Points on at the lowest levels (the stuff you can buy from the quartermaster(?) at the BG entrance\*) costs less than the level 80 BG reward gear you buy from the quartermasters back in SW. So people who started doing BGs as soon as they were able purchased reward gear as it became available to them, and they’ve been upgrading as they go along, and by the time they get to 80 they’ve had their leftover unspent HPs plus everything they’ve accumulated since the previous upgrades. > > - I say “assume” here because, being lvl 80, I haven’t bothered to look at what the lowest-level vendors are offering. Low level pvp gear may be cheaper, but it is also _low level_, I without doing any detailed comparisons I think that the blue craftable sets are at least on par with anything you can get from bgs before level 80. I had to go check, but I don’t even think there is much level 70 pvp gear available anymore, looks like they removed the armour sets. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7283 "2009-12-01T19:01:59Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Low level pvp gear may be cheaper, but it is also _low level_, I without doing any detailed comparisons I think that the blue craftable sets are at least on par with anything you can get from bgs before level 80. Okay, that’s what I happen to be wearing for PvP - the full crafted Savage Saronite set. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7284 "2009-12-01T19:29:53Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Okay, that’s what I happen to be wearing for PvP - the full crafted Savage Saronite set. Then you’re better off than with anything you’d get from turning in Warsong Gulch marks. (I’ll say that with 99.9% certainty, though I haven’t checked - I know that Arathi Basin gear maxes out at level 60, and you’ll do better with any random level 70+ gear than with level 60 Arathi stuff). (You can use Warsong Gulch marks to buy a tabard you can’t get any other way, though). ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7285 "2009-12-01T19:38:16Z")
The 78 blue crafted PVP gear is definitely superior to anything you could’ve gotten earlier. The 60 or even 70 PVP gear isn’t worth wearing at 80, it’s just too far behind in raw stats. The blue crafted sets are comparable to the old Season 4 arena gear, which can’t be gotten anymore. > [@](#): > > I’m also getting the impression that my pally bubble doesn’t do a darn thing against spells. There are four paladin “bubbles”. The one most people mean when they say the term is Divine Shield, which is complete immunity to **everything** save two abilities: Mass Dispel and Shattering Throw, either of which will remove the DS. The runner-up is Hand of Protection, which is immunity to everything Physical except for Shattering Throw, but does nothing to magical abilities. A magic-user can simply fire through it, or Dispel it for their friends, or a mage could even steal it for himself. The third is Sacred Shield, which has a bubble-style graphic effect and is purely a damage absorber, thus drawing parallels to “priest bubbles”. The fourth is Divine Protection, which up until 3.0, used to be the poor man’s bubble available at low levels. These days it serves as your Shield Wall, halving incoming damage but not actually stopping anything (but like Hand of Protection, it’s also magical and thus dispellable). > [@](#): > > Speaking of those lower levels, what’s so magical about level 19 (as opposed to 29, 39, etc.) that would make people want to turn off their XP and stay there as twinks “forever”? Battlegrounds first open up at level 10, so 19 is the earliest you can camp a bracket. It’s the simplest state the game is in. Characters have few abilities and barely any talent points, so it’s easy to learn and involves few surprises. Apparently some people view these things as advantages. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7286 "2009-12-01T20:23:12Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > In other news, _I finally got my paladin’s Enchanting skill up to 350_! Last night I was _finally_ able to disenchant the crapload of Northrend gear I’d been saving (I’d mailed most of it to my bank alt and then had her mail it all right back to me so it had been lurking in my mailbox for a while). w00t! Four full stacks of Infinite Dust, a full stack of Greater Cosmic Essences, and 3 Dream Shards. And you know what this means: My combination of Enchanting 350 + Tailoring means I can now make Frostweave Bags essentially free. So I do the Hodir dailies for the gold + the Frostweave and Relics I can farm from the relevant mobs, then I run over to Bouldercrag’s Refuge and go to town on the iron dwarves across the way to farm more Frostweave and Relics. Free gathered Frostweave + making my own Infinite Dust means free Imbued Frostweave, so I can make the bags for just the cost of the Eternium Thread. Pure Profit! I made 4 Frostweave Bags, and got 1 Tailoring skill point out of the deal, pushing my Tailoring to 447. Nice! Now wait until you get to 450 tailoring and Exalted with Hodir, and can start making Glacial Bags. I’ve been selling those for 600-700g a pop. Unfortunately due to the cooldown for making Moonshroud/Ebonshroud, they take like two weeks to make (unless you buy or trade for the cloth). I need to find an Ebonshroud specialist I can trade Moonshroud with, you don’t happen to be one do you? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7287 "2009-12-01T21:02:58Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Then you’re better off than with anything you’d get from turning in Warsong Gulch marks. The stuff I’m looking at appears to cost only Honor Points, not Marks. > [@Mekhazzio](#): > > The 78 blue crafted PVP gear is definitely superior to anything you could’ve gotten earlier. The 60 or even 70 PVP gear isn’t worth wearing at 80, it’s just too far behind in raw stats. My point was more that the people who acquired the lvl 70 PvP gear at around lvl 70 have had _since_ 70 to save up Honor Points to spend on the lvl 80 stuff when they get there, since there wasn’t really anything to spend them on in between. They’ve also gotten to earn most of those Honor Points while fighting in the 70-79 bracket. But the lvl 80 bracket is nothing but lvl 80s, obviously, so I’m starting at lvl 80 from 0 Honor Points and competing against already-geared 80s. > [@](#): > > There are four paladin “bubbles”. The one most people mean when they say the term is Divine Shield, which is complete immunity to **everything** save two abilities: Mass Dispel and Shattering Throw That’s the one I’m talking about. I suppose the reason I’m still dying quickly after bubbling is that I’m getting hit with a bunch of DoT’s _before_ I get the bubble up (see aforementioned opposing team composed almost entirely of mages, priests, and warlocks). > [@](#): > > The third is Sacred Shield I’ve seen this listed before, but I’m not seeing it in my abilities (unless I’ve gone selectively blind). I’ve trained every paladin ability in all three trees. Does Sacred Shield come from a Holy or Prot talent or something (I’m Ret)? > [@Skammer](#): > > Nice! Now wait until you get to 450 tailoring and Exalted with Hodir, and can start making Glacial Bags. I’ve been selling those for 600-700g a pop. Unfortunately due to the cooldown for making Moonshroud/Ebonshroud, they take like two weeks to make (unless you buy or trade for the cloth). I need to find an Ebonshroud specialist I can trade Moonshroud with, you don’t happen to be one do you? Already Exalted with SoH, and know the Glacial Bag pattern (requires 445, not 450). Unfortunately, I can’t make the Moonshroud or Ebonweave myself (I can make Mooncloth, but I missed the Moonshroud recipe somewhere - does it require Cenarion rep or something?), so at the moment I have to buy the mats, which on my server tend to cost more than what I can get for the finished bag. I’ve made one, and it sold fairly quickly, but I think I lost about 50g in the process. If I can learn to make Moonshroud I think making the relevant lvl 80 robe will actually be profitable as well. The few robes I’ve made have been the one that requires Ebonweave, because that’s the cheapest of the three special cloths on the AH. Speaking of Hodir, I need to run up there and buy another shoulder enchant to put on my PvP shoulders. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7288 "2009-12-01T21:28:27Z")
I _thought_ Moonshroud/Ebonshroud/Spellshroud was taught by the tailoring trainer; I don’t recall buying recipes just for the cloth. Your specialty will carry over from your earlier choice; if you were Moonweave, you’ll specialize in Moonshroud (getting twice the cloth from the same amount of mats). To make the Glacial Bags, I typically make 2 MS and 1 ES on day one, then 2 MS and 1 ES on day four, then I just have to buy 2 more Ebonshroud to make the bag. Okay to be honest I’m too cheap to do that, I usually wait until I’ve made all four Ebonshroud (12 days). By then I’ve got a lot of extra MS to sell, trade or save. ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7289 "2009-12-01T21:35:17Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > My point was more that the people who acquired the lvl 70 PvP gear at around lvl 70 have had _since_ 70 to save up Honor Points to spend on the lvl 80 stuff when they get there, since there wasn’t really anything to spend them on in between. They’ve also gotten to earn most of those Honor Points while fighting in the 70-79 bracket. But the lvl 80 bracket is nothing but lvl 80s, obviously, so I’m starting at lvl 80 from 0 Honor Points and competing against already-geared 80s. Honor comes pretty quickly, and caps at 75,000 (which is the most anyone could have saved getting from 70 to 80, and there really wasn’t anything available aside from the craftable sets in between there). A winning Wintergrasp can net you 20K+ honor, with all the quests. Doing the daily BG nets over 3K honor for a win. Doing BGs on holidays nets bonus honor (a losing AV, for example, can still net 1K+ honor in only a few minutes). Saving marks for the repeatable turn-in nets 1489 honor each time you do the turn-in. Sure, you’ll get kicked around a bit at first. Pretty much everyone does when they first step into BGs. But stick with it, and you’ll gear up pretty quickly. It takes me about a week per piece of gear, largely because I’m lucky if I get to participate in 3 WG battles per _week_. And I hop into the odd BG when I have time. I still get kicked around fairly often (largely because in areas like WG, Horde are vastly outnumbered on my server), but I’ve done my share kicking, too. It helps sometimes to shake it up; sometimes I’ll go in as Boomkin, others as a tree. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7290 "2009-12-01T22:00:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > That’s the one I’m talking about. I suppose the reason I’m still dying quickly after bubbling is that I’m getting hit with a bunch of DoT’s _before_ I get the bubble up (see aforementioned opposing team composed almost entirely of mages, priests, and warlocks). Well, that’s not it either, because the act of casting Divine Shield removes everything harmful from you, DOTs included. If you’re predictable enough with it that there’s a priest pre-casting mass dispel on your location, then it could conceivably take the bubble off fast enough that missiles in flight still kill you, and that’s the only possible explanation. It’s not inconceivable - priests and warriors both salivate at any chance they get to break open the god-bubble, and a good PVPer will be very quick with it if you don’t do something to them to stall for time. Sacred Shield is the generic level 80 paladin spell. It’s in the Holy spellbook, but the talent that buffs it is in early prot. It’s very potent for any spec of paladin, as it absorbs damage and amplifies healing. It’s huge for PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7291 "2009-12-01T22:32:55Z")
> [@Jbone](#): > > Ahh, the ghost boat! I had a ride on that too. I believe it was one of the first times I tried to take the boat from SW to BT. > You can see the [“Dalaran Force Field”](http://s687.photobucket.com/albums/vv240/johnryan_photo/WoW/?action=view¤t=WoWScrnShot_121808_234305.jpg) in the back ground. Wait… if you’re taking the boat to BT, how is the Dalaran bubble still up? I thought that disappeared when the city moved. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Not only did they raid the guild bank, apparently they also cashed in all of his characters’ badges on every server (he’d come over from another server to join a RL friend/coworker, who happens to be the GL) for stuff like gems/orbs that could be auctioned for cash, and his characters’ gear was all stripped for gold! That’s actually pretty standard. They’ll raid your banks, raid your bags, raid the gbanks you have access to, DE your gear if they can (and drop your profs and level Enchanting to do it), sell your gear if they can’t. Sometimes they’ll even delete all your characters. This is **Reason Number One to Never Buy Gold** –most of it comes \*\*not \*\*from farmers, but from **hacked accounts**. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Speaking of those lower levels, what’s so magical about level 19 (as opposed to 29, 39, etc.) that would make people want to turn off their XP and stay there as twinks “forever”? People do twink at the end of every bracket (there are 29 twinks, 39 twinks, etc.). 19 is the most popular for several reasons, IMO: it’s the fastest to get to; the highest level items are disproportionately better at 19 than at the higher levels; fewer spells and talent points make for more straightfoward fighting; the best-in-slot items are expensive for a lowbie but affordable for a max-level character and/or easily farmable for a max-level. > [@](#): > > Well, he said “the white arrow”, and the onscreen directional arrow is never white. Ah, you may well be right. I always turn the arrow off, so I couldn’t recall. > [@](#): > > In other news, _I finally got my paladin’s Enchanting skill up to 350_! Awesome! Isn’t that a great feeling, to finally burn through all that crap? > [@](#): > > Real World WoW Moment: The other day I overheard the general manager at my job, who I can confidently say has never played WoW, talking to one of the sales people, and she quoted a goblin vendor: “Ah, a potential customer!”. In almost exactly the same tone of voice 😃 In kind of a twist on that, every time I hear a Goblin say, “I’ve got what you need,” I get “I Know What Boys Like” stuck in my head. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > So I grouped up with a warrior and a rogue, and was surprised to see that their portraits, instead of just floating over on the left side like in normal party, were contained in sort of a box. The “box” was shaped like a backwards “D” and had a translucent, dark gray background. Did you enabled the feature to display a background behind your party? > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Unfortunately, I can’t make the Moonshroud or Ebonweave myself (I can make Mooncloth, but I missed the Moonshroud recipe somewhere - does it require Cenarion rep or something?) When in doubt, check [Wowhead](http://www.wowhead.com). It will tell you whether the recipe is trained or purchased, and who to get it from. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7292 "2009-12-02T00:19:54Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I _thought_ Moonshroud/Ebonshroud/Spellshroud was taught by the tailoring trainer; I don’t recall buying recipes just for the cloth. I’ll have to go back and check with some of the old trainers then - I don’t recall ever seeing it. > [@Darwins\_Finch](#): > > Saving marks for the repeatable turn-in nets 1489 honor each time you do the turn-in. Is that the one with the dwarf in Stormwind Keep that says something like, “Bring me a Mark of Honor from each battleground …”? > [@](#): > > Sure, you’ll get kicked around a bit at first. Pretty much everyone does when they first step into BGs. Oh, definitely! I don’t expect to actually accomplish much at this point, other than to die often. I usually hold out pretty well at first, when I’m covered with buffs from everybody else who has buffs to give at the beginning of the battle, but after that first death I die often 😃 Speaking of buffs, I’m coming to the conclusion that there is really no point in handing out the “Greater” versions of my Blessings to the teammates who are resurrecting next to me at the graveyard. 30-minute buffs that affect everybody of the same class make sense during the pre-battle preparation, but it’s kind of silly to waste a 30-minute buff (and the reagent) on somebody who’s going to be dead again in 2-3 minutes. Also, is there really in point in giving casters Blessing of Wisdom in a BG? It seems that mana regen is the least of their concerns in a BG, since they likely won’t survive long enough to run out of mana, and so a Blessing of Kings might be more beneficial. > [@](#): > > But stick with it, and you’ll gear up pretty quickly. It takes me about a week per piece of gear, largely because I’m lucky if I get to participate in 3 WG battles per _week_. And I hop into the odd BG when I have time. I still get kicked around fairly often (largely because in areas like WG, Horde are vastly outnumbered on my server), but I’ve done my share kicking, too. I definitely need to do more than one BG/day. > [@Mekhazzio](#): > > Sacred Shield is the generic level 80 paladin spell. It’s in the Holy spellbook, but the talent that buffs it is in early prot. It’s very potent for any spec of paladin, as it absorbs damage and amplifies healing. It’s huge for PVP. Hmm. I’ll have to look again. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > In kind of a twist on that, every time I hear a Goblin say, “I’ve got what you need,” I get “I Know What Boys Like” stuck in my head. Interestingly, this same manager is the one who coined my screen name, “Mister Rik”. I didn’t even realize it, and I guess I adopted it subconsciously. It was only a few months ago when she called me that and it fully registered. > [@](#): > > Did you enabled the feature to display a background behind your party? Not that I recall. I did recently check various options I’d previously left unchecked, maybe that was one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7293 "2009-12-02T01:02:08Z")
Rik, I just checked Wowhead and you do indeed learn the WotLK cloths (Moon, Ebon and Spellshroud) from the Northrend tailoring trainers including the one in Dalaran. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7294 "2009-12-02T02:34:01Z")
Now that I have a job again, I feel kinda like **Guns** in that I’ve got all this catching-up to do on the thread, just at different hours. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Wait… if you’re taking the boat to BT, how is the Dalaran bubble still up? I thought that disappeared when the city moved. The bubble is still there, between Silverpine Forests and Alterac Mountains. If the ghost boat is under Arathi Highlands, it’s possible if unlikely that the bubble is within viewing distance. > [@](#): > > People do twink at the end of every bracket (there are 29 twinks, 39 twinks, etc.). 19 is the most popular for several reasons, IMO: it’s the fastest to get to; the highest level items are disproportionately better at 19 than at the higher levels; fewer spells and talent points make for more straightfoward fighting; the best-in-slot items are expensive for a lowbie but affordable for a max-level character and/or easily farmable for a max-level. I love twinks. They make it profitable to farm lowbie content. While grinding for Cenarion Circle reputation, [Myrmidon’s Signet](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=2246) dropped. I sold it on the AH for 350 gold, and probably could have gotten more had I held out (it failed to sell once at 400). It’s just a fantastic ring for level 51-60 twinks, which is the first tier in which you can play Alterac Valley. I once got a [Sentry Cloak](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=2059) long ago, which is BIS for level 19 melee twinks, and managed to sell it for 150 gold. To someone without an 80, which I was at the time, that’s a truckload of money. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I’ll have to go back and check with some of the old trainers then - I don’t recall ever seeing it. You sure it’s not in your spellbook already? I know there’s a few abilities I’ve gained on some of my characters that I never noticed I got until afterward, usually because there’s like 5 or 6 routine rank upgrades alongside the new ability and I just traintraintrain without really looking. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7295 "2009-12-02T02:35:31Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Rik, I just checked Wowhead and you do indeed learn the WotLK cloths (Moon, Ebon and Spellshroud) from the Northrend tailoring trainers including the one in Dalaran. Found it - thanks 🙂 Man, I am really getting tired of the streakiness of the “random” number generator on the Dalaran cooking daily. Nothing like Convention at the Legerdemain several days in a row to completely wipe out my stock of Chilled Meats :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7296 "2009-12-02T02:42:44Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > You sure it’s [Sacred Shield] not in your spellbook already? I know there’s a few abilities I’ve gained on some of my characters that I never noticed I got until afterward, usually because there’s like 5 or 6 routine rank upgrades alongside the new ability and I just traintraintrain without really looking. Looked again and there it is. Darn Holy tab! I never look there! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7297 "2009-12-02T03:10:42Z")
Quests in the west in green. Let 'em go, or go **back** and get 'em? I am currently in Hellfire P toasting marshmallows :rolleyes:, and having a ball (except when the Dreadcaller Warbringers/Flamwalker imps hang up on me!). I know the ones in grey are no good and can be abandoned, but still have some stuff in the crater near Gadgetzan I can do. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7298 "2009-12-02T03:12:08Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Looked again and there it is. Darn Holy tab! I never look there! 😛 Sacred Shield’s getting a bit of a nerf in 3.3, but right now it is _amazing_ for solo survivability as Retribution. Sacred Shield means huge Flash of Lights. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7299 "2009-12-02T03:14:08Z")
Last time I was at the old dalaran it was just a smoking hole. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7300 "2009-12-02T03:30:00Z")
Well that was a productive fishing daily. Opened the reward bag and got both the Sealed Vial of Poison _and_ the Waterlogged Recipe 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=364) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=366)