# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 367
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7321 "2009-12-02T17:58:14Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > And speaking of rep grinding, where the hell do you go to earn rep with The Silver Covenant? The _only_ Silver Covenant outpost I’ve even seen is the one down in Crystalsong Forest, and there are no quests there. If that’s the Alliance equivalent to the Sunreavers (I think it is), then you get rep with them from doing Tourney quests and dailies. ---
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7322 "2009-12-02T18:04:21Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Really? I could swear it’s just a [sparkly hole in the ground](http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=1&q=dalaran+crater&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&start=0) now. I noticed that the shield was gone and it is just a hole now. The only time I’ve been around that way was for the Holiday achievement for eating at the UC table. The picture was taken 12/18/08 at 11:42pm. Maybe they didn’t remove the shield until a later patch? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7323 "2009-12-02T18:15:08Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > If that’s the Alliance equivalent to the Sunreavers (I think it is), then you get rep with them from doing Tourney quests and dailies. Yeah, they’re sort of across the valley from the Sunreavers’ base in Crystalsong. So there’s dailies? Where? The faction existed long before the Argent Tournament showed up, so I’m assuming the Tournament isn’t the only place to get these quests … (I know, I could look this up on WowHead, but right now I can’t seem to access WowHead _or_ WowWiki.) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7324 "2009-12-02T18:17:15Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > heh, then they must not know many people from guilds where everybody is so well equipped that every healer is maxed on toys, so a mage picked it up because it boosted some other important stat … because no healer needed it and nobody wanted to bother DEing it… At that time, any Mage wearing +Healing gear was (a) stealing the gear from someone who could use it more, (b) upgrading from gear so crappy that it was actually worthwhile to pick up something that had a useless stat on it, or (c) clueless about their class. None of those is going to look good to a hardcore raiding guild. Now, I dunno how hardcore the guild that shitty-GM was applying to was, but I just thought it was funny that he might have been shooting himself in the foot. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > It’s a shame that the plate chest piece only comes in a tank version, though. That piece was my Infamous Blue Chest. When I first started raiding, I _could not for the life of me_ get a tanking chest to drop. I actually had [Last Laugh](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40402) before I had an epic chest. My friends still tease me about it. > [@](#): > > Does the Wyrmrest Accord offer more dailies than just the one where you fly around on a red dragon and shoot down blue dragons? IIRC, there are two in Coldarra (Borean Tundra, by the Nexus). One is from a guy under the Transitus Shield (big pink bubble); one is from a woman up on one of the floating platforms by the Nexus. The fastest way to get your rep, though, will be to equip your Wyrmrest tabard in dungeons, \*\*especially \*\*Heroics once you’re 80. > [@](#): > > And speaking of rep grinding, where the hell do you go to earn rep with The Silver Covenant? Argent Tournament. That’s it. The little station in Crystalsong doesn’t do anything. > [@](#): > > On the PvP front, I didn’t do any BGs yesterday, but I somehow ended up in a conversation with a lvl 80 warlock in SW who is an experienced BG participant, and he/she (I never actually saw this person) offered to group with me for BGs in the future, along with a few of his/her other BG partners. Awesome! > [@Jbone](#): > > The picture was taken 12/18/08 at 11:42pm. Maybe they didn’t remove the shield until a later patch? I think it went away as soon as Wrath launched–or did Dalaran not move in until later? I do remember that it happened very abruptly; we were quite disappointed that there was no in-game event for it. Just log off one day, then the servers are down for a patch, and you come back, and Dalaran’s gone. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7325 "2009-12-02T18:34:30Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Yeah, they’re sort of across the valley from the Sunreavers’ base in Crystalsong. So there’s dailies? Where? The faction existed long before the Argent Tournament showed up, so I’m assuming the Tournament isn’t the only place to get these quests … Nope. Like SfG said, Tourney is it; I think I hit exalted with them about the time I got done grinding out my fourth faction champion title. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7326 "2009-12-02T18:35:43Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I think it went away as soon as Wrath launched–or did Dalaran not move in until later? I do remember that it happened very abruptly; we were quite disappointed that there was no in-game event for it. Just log off one day, then the servers are down for a patch, and you come back, and Dalaran’s gone. Think how much fun it must have been for all those mages guarding the outskirts (and the detention camp). Wake up one day, discover you missed the memo about moving back into the city before it teleports. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7327 "2009-12-02T18:36:40Z")
Oh dear god, the cooking daily is Convention at the Legerdemain _again_, for like the 6th day in a row, and the fishing daily is Dangerously Delicious, for at least the 4th day in a row :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7328 "2009-12-02T18:43:38Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Oh dear god, the cooking daily is Convention at the Legerdemain _again_, for like the 6th day in a row, and the fishing daily is Dangerously Delicious, for at least the 4th day in a row :rolleyes: I find myself only doing the ones that you can complete in town very easily. Especially now that I have all the recipes and a ton of unused cooking awards (after buying the hat). The only fishing daily I really do is the jewel of the sewer since it’s close. I still pick them up each in case I find myself near the appropriate area, but then I delete them the next day as a new quest comes. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7329 "2009-12-02T20:05:59Z")
Just a reminder for the Burning Dog Legion: guild run of Dire Maul North tonight. We have three folks signed up (Rillian, Mordrin, Ghworg) so we need two more dps. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7330 "2009-12-02T20:15:21Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Argent Tournament. That’s it. The little station in Crystalsong doesn’t do anything. Yup. Those factions have been around for a while - they also man the respective sides’ inns in Dalaran - but with absolutely zero way to up your Neutral rep with them. Doing dailies at the Argent Tournament for your cities’ questgivers will also provide Silver Covenant/Sunreaver rep, and when you unlock the Champion dailies in the big Argent tent at the Tournament, those give Argent Crusade + Silver Covenant/Sunreaver rep as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7331 "2009-12-02T20:46:32Z")
As to the Tournament … I’ve encountered another of those annoying frustrations with [apparently] inadequate/insufficient/braindead instructions. I chatted with that Master of the Melee, who informed me that he can’t train me until I’ve equipped a lance and a tournament mount. Which he says I’ll find at/in front of my faction’s pavilion. Wandered over to the pavilion. Wandered around for quite some time before finally noticing the tiny “Lance Rack” next to the door. Went looking for a horse. In front of the pavilion, as instructed. There … Are … No … Mounts that don’t already have an “Argent Valiant” sitting on them, or are there purely for display purposes. Nor does there seem to be an NPC ready to issue me a mount. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7332 "2009-12-02T20:58:03Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > As to the Tournament … I’ve encountered another of those annoying frustrations with [apparently] inadequate/insufficient/braindead instructions. I chatted with that Master of the Melee, who informed me that he can’t train me until I’ve equipped a lance and a tournament mount. Which he says I’ll find at/in front of my faction’s pavilion. > > Wandered over to the pavilion. Wandered around for quite some time before finally noticing the tiny “Lance Rack” next to the door. Went looking for a horse. In front of the pavilion, as instructed. There … Are … No … Mounts that don’t already have an “Argent Valiant” sitting on them, or are there purely for display purposes. Nor does there seem to be an NPC ready to issue me a mount. > > WTF? To your left when you exit the Silver Covenant Pavilion, lots of [mounts](http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5421/snelahestar.jpg) there. ---
**Author:** ![Jbone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/58f4c7/32.png) [@Jbone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jbone)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7333 "2009-12-02T21:09:14Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > As to the Tournament … I’ve encountered another of those annoying frustrations with [apparently] inadequate/insufficient/braindead instructions. I chatted with that Master of the Melee, who informed me that he can’t train me until I’ve equipped a lance and a tournament mount. Which he says I’ll find at/in front of my faction’s pavilion. > > Wandered over to the pavilion. Wandered around for quite some time before finally noticing the tiny “Lance Rack” next to the door. Went looking for a horse. In front of the pavilion, as instructed. There … Are … No … Mounts that don’t already have an “Argent Valiant” sitting on them, or are there purely for display purposes. Nor does there seem to be an NPC ready to issue me a mount. > > WTF? Yup, just like Mogle said, they’re right outside the door lined up. Keep in mind that there are various types of mounts. When you just start out only one of them will be available to you (your cursor will turn in to the green “mount up” arrow). The other mounts will be available as you progress in the Argent Tournament quest lines and gain reputation with the factions. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7334 "2009-12-02T22:56:19Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I think it went away as soon as Wrath launched–or did Dalaran not move in until later? I do remember that it happened very abruptly; we were quite disappointed that there was no in-game event for it. Just log off one day, then the servers are down for a patch, and you come back, and Dalaran’s gone. Dalaran actually disappeared BEFORE Wrath launched, during the time of the Scourge Invasion. I sorta liked the way it just went \>poof!\< and folks found out by players going by the place and noticing it was gone. OMIGOSH! Someone _stole an entire city!_ ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7335 "2009-12-02T22:58:10Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > To your left when you exit the Silver Covenant Pavilion, lots of [mounts](http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5421/snelahestar.jpg) there. > [@Jbone](#): > > Yup, just like Mogle said, they’re right outside the door lined up. Keep in mind that there are various types of mounts. When you just start out only one of them will be available to you (your cursor will turn in to the green “mount up” arrow). The other mounts will be available as you progress in the Argent Tournament quest lines and gain reputation with the factions. Huh. Those are the ones I was referring to as “display purposes only”. I thought I moused over all of them and didn’t get anything at all. Guess I’ll have to check again - clearly I missed something. Or maybe it was more of the “bugs” like I was seeing last night. In addition to the issue with the Moonglade portals, when I was doing the quest where you have to go through The Breach, kill the risen Argent Crusaders, and hit them with the holy water, I could select the mobs to attack them and then loot the bodies, but when I clicked again to select them to use the holy water, they were untargetable, though using the holy water still worked. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7336 "2009-12-02T23:01:12Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Dalaran actually disappeared BEFORE Wrath launched, during the time of the Scourge Invasion. > > I sorta liked the way it just went \>poof!\< and folks found out by players going by the place and noticing it was gone. OMIGOSH! Someone _stole an entire city!_ Man, I wish I’d been around for that. It looks like I started playing mere days after Wrath launched (last year’s Winter Veil was going on when I started). ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7337 "2009-12-02T23:42:21Z")
Mister Rik, I don’t donate to the guild bank, except for small, cheap stuff. Anything valuable I keep in my own bank(s). That way if the guild goes under or I tell the GM to EABOD, I still have my stuff. We don’t get repair money from the bank, FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7338 "2009-12-02T23:48:48Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Huh. Those are the ones I was referring to as “display purposes only”. I thought I moused over all of them and didn’t get anything at all. Guess I’ll have to check again - clearly I missed something. Or maybe it was more of the “bugs” like I was seeing last night. In addition to the issue with the Moonglade portals, when I was doing the quest where you have to go through The Breach, kill the risen Argent Crusaders, and hit them with the holy water, I could select the mobs to attack them and then loot the bodies, but when I clicked again to select them to use the holy water, they were untargetable, though using the holy water still worked. Be sure you do have the lance equipped, and that you are mousing over the mount for your race. You start out working on that race’s rep first if I recall correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7339 "2009-12-03T00:28:16Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Huh. Those are the ones I was referring to as “display purposes only”. I thought I moused over all of them and didn’t get anything at all. Guess I’ll have to check again - clearly I missed something. Or maybe it was more of the “bugs” like I was seeing last night. In addition to the issue with the Moonglade portals, when I was doing the quest where you have to go through The Breach, kill the risen Argent Crusaders, and hit them with the holy water, I could select the mobs to attack them and then loot the bodies, but when I clicked again to select them to use the holy water, they were untargetable, though using the holy water still worked. There were some serious lag issues going on last night that created problems looting and casting (for me and my party, anyway). You could have been a victim of that if you were on my server. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7340 "2009-12-03T01:07:53Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Be sure you do have the lance equipped, and that you are mousing over the mount for your race. You start out working on that race’s rep first if I recall correctly. I’m already Exalted with all five Alliance races (yay, Ambassador!) - does that make a difference? Or does the Tourney have it’s own, separate rep counter? > [@Skammer](#): > > There were some serious lag issues going on last night that created problems looting and casting (for me and my party, anyway). You could have been a victim of that if you were on my server. Well, I’m on Lightbringer. Dalaran was so crowded last night it was almost un-navigable, and the lag seemed to follow me clear into Storm Peaks and Icecrown, though it diminished greatly in Dragonblight. Don’t know how that would affect Moonglade, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=366) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=368)