# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 381
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7601 "2009-12-11T23:56:40Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > One at the Bulwark in Tirisfal (might be neutral…it’s Argent Dawn) Doubt it (although I’ve been wrong before). Chillwind Camp is Argent Dawn and is solidly Alliance. I also don’t think the Forsaken would stand for Alliance creeps flying into _their_ Bulwark. I think it’s just a QOL thing for the Horde so they don’t have to ride out from the Undercity. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7602 "2009-12-11T23:59:39Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Doubt it (although I’ve been wrong before). Chillwind Camp is Argent Dawn and is solidly Alliance. I also don’t think the Forsaken would stand for Alliance creeps flying into _their_ Bulwark. I think it’s just a QOL thing for the Horde so they don’t have to ride out from the Undercity. You’re right. I forgot about Chillwind and was trying to think if the Bulwark was faction-neutral or not. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7603 "2009-12-12T02:09:53Z")
… and the map won’t show me my corpse! Map doesn’t show me ANYTHING except my location and I have uninstalled Questhelper because it wasn’t showing me anything either!!! Thanks Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7604 "2009-12-12T03:55:43Z")
Okay. An In-game friend helped me find a graveyard, and I’m rezzed. Still having map issues, though and QH wants me to switch to Firefox. I’m afraid FF won’t work with this damn computer, because we had a hell of a time switching from 64 to 32 bit. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7605 "2009-12-12T05:24:25Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > right now anyone can convert borean leather into arctic fur. Oo, how is this done? My belf pally is a Skinner and wound up with a piece of Arctic Fur last night, and it appears the stuff could be quite profitable — there were only 400 or so on the AH. > [@Tahssa](#): > > It is either $25 or $30. I did a server transfer and a faction change on one toon and I forget which one cost what but it is one of those. Well, that would be simply too expensive to justify transferring all 10 toons, and the inability to take the guild bank along with me kind of kills the deal. I’ve got 4 tabs in the GB, and nowhere near enough room in character bags/banks to move everything, even if I _wouldn’t_ have to repurchase all those tabs. Oh well ☹ > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > ETA this line: Holy crap, I apologize for the GIANT WALL OF TEXT crit on your eyes. I promise to never again get so busy at work that I can’t log onto the Dope for a couple of days in a row. 😛 You _do_ have an Internet connection at home, don’t you 😉 > [@](#): > > Exactly. Since the advent of vellum (I love you, Inscription), my best income on my Enchanters comes from the chants themselves, not the mats. Yeah, once y’all explained the vellums to me, I’m actually getting a little of my money back from leveling Enchanting. I got a chuckle yesterday - I’d posted four scrolls of some bracer enchant a few days ago at around 4g each, and all four came back to me expired a couple days later. So I reposted them, but this time the going price was around 14g. Sold three of them almost immediately 😛 > [@](#): > > Have you considered that the problem here might be… you? I play on some pretty high-population servers, and I never have this kind of issue. I actually suspect ongoing battlegroup server problems. Remember that Lightbringer and Cairne, my two primary realms, belong to the two battlegroups (Whirlwind and Emberstorm, respectively) that are hosted somewhere in Seattle (less than 300 miles from me) and which went kablooey a couple weeks ago (as in, all the realms in those battlegroups being down for most of two days). I’m not experiencing nearly the same level of lag on the other three servers I play on occasionally (Grizzly Hills, Steamwheedle Cartel, and Windrunner). I’m showing the same latency I’ve had since I first started playing (18-19ms), and playing on the same computer with the same 'Net connection since the beginning. But while my latency never really varies, the lag has just gotten worse and worse on those two realms. And on Lightbringer in particular, I see fairly frequent comments about lag in General at the same time _I’m_ experiencing it, so I know it’s not just me. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7606 "2009-12-12T06:16:19Z")
Told the in-game GM about my IE problem (Vista) and got told in an e-mail to delete the WTF, CACHE and INTERFACE folders, and I did that, but then a lot of stuff happened. 1. Had to re-create a Battle-Net Account 2. Had to change my password 3. Had to re-accept all the terms for Battle-Net AND WoW 4. And then the Lich King thing popped up, and I was afraid I was going to have to download everything again! 5. And then it added Lich King and I was able to log out and log back in using the new password. This new patch is scary! Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7607 "2009-12-12T09:15:17Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Told the in-game GM about my IE problem (Vista) and got told in an e-mail to delete the WTF, CACHE and INTERFACE folders, and I did that, but then a lot of stuff happened. > > 1. Had to re-create a Battle-Net Account > 2. Had to change my password > 3. Had to re-accept all the terms for Battle-Net AND WoW > 4. And then the Lich King thing popped up, and I was afraid I was going to have to download everything again! > 5. And then it added Lich King and I was able to log out and log back in using the new password. > > This new patch is scary! > > Quasi You shouldn’t have had to recreate your [battle.net](http://battle.net) account. Are you sure? Can you still access your characters? ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7608 "2009-12-12T09:34:08Z")
Yeah, I’m okay and so is da **Wolk** , but it sure worried me. And yeah, I had to create a new Battle Net account with a new password. Sure did, **Jragon**. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7609 "2009-12-12T19:54:46Z")
I think I’ve encountered a minor mob AI change that I really like. You know that occasional issue where you and a mob are running at each other, and due to latency issues (or whatever), the mob’s AI misjudges where it expects you to be and ends up behind you? They seem to have fixed that, at least with the mobs in Storm Peaks where I do several dailies and spend time farming Relics and Frostweave from the iron dwarves and elementals over on the West side of the zone. What’s happening now is that, when I pull a mob with Hand of Reckoning and then run toward it (while it runs toward me), we get within a certain distance, say 5-10 yards, of each other _and the mob will stop_ and wait for me to come the rest of the way. The mob will only keep running at me if _I’m_ the one to stop first. I’m seeing this new behavior with all the mobs I fight in Storm Peaks - the various iron dwarves, the elementals, the ghosty giants and dwarves for the Blowing Hodir’s Horn daily, the jormungar, and the Viscous Oils. Pretty cool 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7610 "2009-12-12T22:11:06Z")
As I understand it, that’s actually buggy behavior from the mobs. It’s related to the fact that when trying to tank groups of mobs, they tend to refuse to be moved properly and dance around the tank a bit. A fix is in the works. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Darn_Snake_Legs)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7611 "2009-12-13T04:08:14Z")
Hi All, My wife downloaded the 10-day free trial and it looks like garbage. Her action bars aren’t showing up and lots of the graphical elements are just missing. Has anyone had this issue? Is there a fix for it? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7612 "2009-12-13T06:42:21Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > As I understand it, that’s actually buggy behavior from the mobs. It’s related to the fact that when trying to tank groups of mobs, they tend to refuse to be moved properly and dance around the tank a bit. A fix is in the works. Oh maaaaaaaaaaan! I should have know it was too good to be true. Maybe they can fix it in the dungeons and leave it like it is otherwise, because I really like it. I mean, it’s absolutely maddening when a mob runs up and stops _right on top of me_, and every time I take a step back, it takes a step and stays right on top of me. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7613 "2009-12-13T11:16:55Z")
Well, having put it to the test, I can report that tanks get groups through the dungeon finder significantly faster than DPS; when I have my tank box clicked, I got pulled in to a random dungeon basically instantly, versus a 5-10 minute wait when dpsing. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7614 "2009-12-13T14:39:08Z")
And two brags: 1 - Mercenary of Sholazar! I am the grinding-est! That achievement really should come with a title. 2 - I was tanking random heroics, and what came up but the Forge of Souls. This was very nervous-making, especially after we wiped on the first set of trash and the healer quit, but the new healer we picked up was awesome and we got through the whole thing without another wipe. (Helped that he was a druid, so he could rez me in the middle of the second boss battle). So now I know I can tank pretty much every 5 man (if the healer’s good enough). ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7615 "2009-12-13T15:49:34Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Well, having put it to the test, I can report that tanks get groups through the dungeon finder significantly faster than DPS; when I have my tank box clicked, I got pulled in to a random dungeon basically instantly, versus a 5-10 minute wait when dpsing. Yeah, but there’s the other side of the coin, too. We’d gotten a mostly-premade group together of guildies, 3 DPS and 1 healer, signed up for either one of Forge of Souls or Pit of Saron and looking for a tank. After 10-15 minutes, we finally got a tank, but our healer disconnected during the initial Dungeon Finder ready check and we got kicked out of the queue entirely. Healer came back, we signed up for the queue again, and in the following 20-30 minutes after that we never saw another tank and the group eventually fell apart due to tiredness. Tanks are definitely a rare and valuable resource. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7616 "2009-12-13T19:55:09Z")
> [@My\_Darn\_Snake\_Legs](#): > > Hi All, > My wife downloaded the 10-day free trial and it looks like garbage. Her action bars aren’t showing up and lots of the graphical elements are just missing. Has anyone had this issue? Is there a fix for it? First thing that comes to mind: check her graphical drivers to make sure they’re up to date. That sounds a lot like the driver issues that some people ahve been seeing with this thread: [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10021047&sid=1&pageNo=2#21](http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10021047&sid=1&pageNo=2#21) ---
**Author:** ![Woeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Woeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Woeg)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7617 "2009-12-14T00:01:23Z")
I’ve started back up on WoW and have joined the guild as a Forsaken rogue named, well, Woeg. 😉 Seeya all on line! ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7618 "2009-12-14T00:57:32Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > 1 - Mercenary of Sholazar! I am the grinding-est! That achievement really should come with a title. Congratulations! 🙂 > [@](#): > > 2 - I was tanking random heroics, and what came up but the Forge of Souls. This was very nervous-making, especially after we wiped on the first set of trash and the healer quit, but the new healer we picked up was awesome and we got through the whole thing without another wipe. (Helped that he was a druid, so he could rez me in the middle of the second boss battle). So now I know I can tank pretty much every 5 man (if the healer’s good enough). I sympathize. I was kind of in the same boat last night–my guild is running off night 10-man ICC runs to supplement our normal 25 man raids, and my DK tank alt got picked to help tank one of them. He’d never done it before, and I was really nervous about being able to handle those mobs, especially since I’m fairly new to this guild and I didn’t want to look like an idiot if I failed. But I didn’t fail! I actually did halfway decently, had a lot of fun, and got a [kick-ass tanking axe](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50798) off Saurfang! Now I can’t wait to do it again. I think I’m addicted to tanking. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7619 "2009-12-14T01:39:02Z")
Bitching about the new PUG thing: 1. Tanks are rare. There are not enough tanks. Then WHY do people shit on people who are clearly _inexperienced_ tanks? They have to learn sometime, right? All you need to do is slow the eff down just a _bit_ on DPS and you can still finish the PUG. I know this, because I dinged 80 on my tank and was tanking gun’drak and HOS right off the bat still partly in greens. Granted, it sure helps if you have COMPETENT players who are used to working in a team, but seriously, if you want more tanks you have to cultivate them. Yelling 'YOU SUCK!" and _voting out the tank_ because just ONE pull went bad, then whining about the wait for _another_ tank, is not going to help you. And it’s not going to encourage people to become tanks. 2. Ditto for healers. 3. Shammies _never_ top the damage lists (did you know the damage meters are working again?) NEVER. You know what? They don’t top healing meters either. Shammies are hybrids. ESPECIALLY elemental shammies. 4. Don’t ask my shammy to buff, back up heal and then bitch I’m on the bottom of the DPS. You want my tremor totem? My healing/mana totem? My bloodlust? My last-second heal to keep the tank alive when the healer effs up? AND you complain I’m not #1 DPS? I’m just glad I won 5 loot rolls in a roll you [unprintables] and I hope you realize just what brand of crap your healer is. Not that I’m _bitter_ or anything… Alright, I know there are immature 12 year olds. Any day now I’m expecting to get booted out of a PUG because my _toon_ is a girl! But, man, it’s ANNOYING! Want those badges. Well, I’m still pulling in money and loot so it’s not all bad. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/7620 "2009-12-14T02:40:37Z")
I’ve had surprisingly uniformly good experiences with the new LFG thingie. Everybody I’ve gotten has been competent, reasonably sociable and very well-geared, and the instances have all been pleasant, even to the point of doing some of the more bizarre heroic achievements just for amusement, or sticking together to do the whole trio of Icecrown 5-mans instead of just one. It’s the well-geared part that has me suspicious. I think there’s some gear matching going on, because it seems statistically impossible to randomly get full groups of people in high end raid gear again and again. Which means that anyone starting out in lesser gear is in even bigger trouble, because that means they not only get the harder jobs to do with the weakest groups, but it always seems to be the people at the bottom of the totem pole with the biggest sense of entitlement, quick to point fingers at anyone but themselves. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=380) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=382)