# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 401
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8001 "2009-12-30T19:42:30Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > No, I think I’m just unlucky. Most of the pugs I get seem pretty capable of doing the higher level dungeons (putting out 3-4k dps, for example), but we’re in Utgarde instead. My main’s insanely geared, and I’ve been randomly assigned to UK more times than I’ve gotten the new ICC 5-mans. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8002 "2009-12-30T19:46:09Z")
Not sure if I posted this, but some of us made the great escape from the old guild and formed a new smaller guild. We’re 3/4 in ICC 10 so far and would have downed Saurfang last night but ran out of raid time. I’ve also made the switch from warlock to shadow priest as my main. We have another warlock in the guild and a priest brings a lot more utility. I like playing a priest more than a warlock too. I’m pretty much done with gearing for DPS and I’m working on healing gear. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8003 "2009-12-30T19:53:13Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Not sure if I posted this, but some of us made the great escape from the old guild and formed a new smaller guild. We’re 3/4 in ICC 10 so far and would have downed Saurfang last night but ran out of raid time. You hadn’t mentioned–that’s great! I hope things only keep getting better. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8004 "2009-12-30T19:58:32Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > My main’s insanely geared, and I’ve been randomly assigned to UK more times than I’ve gotten the new ICC 5-mans. At this point, I’ve stopped running randoms, except for once a day for the frost badges. The queue doesn’t seem any longer for DPS waiting for FoS and PoS than it does waiting on the random queue. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8005 "2009-12-30T21:27:31Z")
Yesterday I managed to earn the last three Champion’s Seals I needed, and bought [my new sword](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/eilyssana_newsword.jpg), the [Claymore of the Prophet](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45074)! I was just getting so tired of my [Titansteel Destroyer](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41257). While the sword seems to [compare somewhat unfavorably](http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=41257)with the mace, I’m already enjoying it more. It looks cooler, for one thing 😃 It also probably helps that at about the same time I acquired the sword I used my Tailoring skill on my cloak to add [Swordguard Embroidery](http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=55777), and I also used my Enchanting to put [Greater Potency](http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60621) on the sword, and I seem to be killing things faster. It should get even better, because I just learned [Enchant 2H Weapon - Greater Savagery](http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=44630). Plus, for whatever reason, a female toon just looks more plausible with a big sword than with a big club. I’m having fun with the Tournament stuff, now that I’m a Champion, but I’ll admit the two daily quests (the one for Champions, and the one for Valiants - I’m working on Ironforge now) that involve jousting with actual undead enemies are frustrating as hell unless there happen to be several other people doing those quests at the same time. It’s hard taking out the Commanders, in particular, when you’ve got those damned flying guys taking down your shields faster than you can get them up. And of course, those guys seem to respawn as fast as you kill them. So I’ve noticed that the people doing the quests tend to help each other out, even across factions, by getting the Scouts out of other players’ hair and assisting with shield breakers on the lieutenants and commanders, so I’ve been doing likewise. I’m also getting started on the Icecrown quests, and I’m discovering there are enough dailies available there that maybe I can stop doing the SoH dailies (which I’ve just been doing for the money since reaching Exalted with them), much like I stopped doing the Oracle dailies once I had access to the SoH dailies. I also made the discovery that, as a tailor, I can make all three of the special cloths (moonshroud, spellweave, and ebonweave). I’d only learned and been making moonshroud, because I thought I was limited to just one (I probably thought this because of the “pick one” restriction in BC on Mooncloth and the other two special cloths there. Since I’d chosen mooncloth in BC, I think I assumed that meant I had to pick moonshroud in WotLK, and I didn’t even notice at first that the spellweave and ebonweave recipes were available. So now I have a use for all that Eternal Fire and Eternal Shadow I’ve been collecting, as well as greatly enhancing my money-making potential. Especially since it means I can now make Glacial Bags essentially free (though it appears it would be more profitable to just sell the cloth, but at least I can feel better about making a Glacial Bag and equipping it myself!) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8006 "2009-12-30T21:34:56Z")
You’ll typically see in General people saying “LFG threat/citadel” or “LFG chillmaw/commanders” or something similar. It’s very common to team up to bust Chillmaw’s ass for that daily, then everyone heads over to the Citadel to rock the Commanders (and the Lieutenants, usually). It’s possible to solo the Commanders, they’re about as difficult as Champion-level jousters (tip: clear the Scouts around them _first_ with Shieldbreakers, then dance your horse around to stomp the foot soldiers after aggroing), but even two people makes it so much easier, since one can charge at will. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8007 "2009-12-30T21:46:14Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > You’ll typically see in General people saying “LFG threat/citadel” or “LFG chillmaw/commanders” or something similar. It’s very common to team up to bust Chillmaw’s ass for that daily, then everyone heads over to the Citadel to rock the Commanders (and the Lieutenants, usually). It’s possible to solo the Commanders, they’re about as difficult as Champion-level jousters (tip: clear the Scouts around them _first_ with Shieldbreakers, then dance your horse around to stomp the foot soldiers after aggroing), but even two people makes it so much easier, since one can charge at will. I think they’re a bit thinner on the ground since the new dungeon system came in, but you still see a lot of them. (Also, “LFG Threat/battle”) ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8008 "2009-12-30T21:47:05Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I can’t get there from work, so here’s some general advice: > [ul][li]There are only four Wrath factions with dungeon-rep tabards: Kirin Tor; Wyrmrest Accord; Argent Crusade; and Ebon Blade.[/li][li]If you go into a dungeon wearing no tabard, or wearing a non-rep tabard, your rep is split evenly among your Horde Expedition or Alliance Vanguard factions.[/li][li]Sons of Hodir have the best shoulder enchants in the game for anyone but an Inscriptionist, which are available at Exalted; at a lower level (Friendly, I think), you can buy the same shoulder chants as the highest level Aldor/Scryer ones. (The only dif is that you’re paying cash instead of the BoP tokens that you get from turning in rep items.) If you haven’t already, you should complete the chain that starts with the quest They Took Our Men! in K3. This will take you from Hated to Friendly, and then open up dailies and rep turn-ins. The latter involves turning in Relic of Ulduar ten at a time, and it’s probably pretty cheap and fast these days.[/li][li]Other factions, such as the Kalu’ak, the Oracles, and the Frenzyheart, are mostly only useful for vanity items such as pets.[/li][li]The new ICC raid returns to the tradition of having an associated rep faction, the Ashen Verdict, which gives a ring that is upgraded with each level of reputation. Once your gear has reached a decent level, you might want to look for an ICC “trash farming” run–this will be a group of people who get together to only kill the trash \*before \*the first boss, then reset the instance and repeat. You can currently get to Friendly very easily, which is where you get your first ring. Note that any character can only have one ring from this faction, so you should probably choose the one that best suits your main spec. However, IIRC, it’s very easy to change ring types for this faction (for previous factions, it was mostly impossible–once you made the choice, you were stuck with it).[/ul][/li] Well, I’m exalted with all of the all 4 of the Wrath Factions; I just wanted to know if there were any other tabards I can equip that would give me rep for any other faction. I’m also exalted with SoH and the Kalu’ak. Maybe I should go back and finish off the Trolls, Org and Thunder Bluff reps. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8009 "2009-12-30T21:51:49Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Well, I’m exalted with all of the all 4 of the Wrath Factions; I just wanted to know if there were any other tabards I can equip that would give me rep for any other faction. Nope, just those four. All other tabards require Exalted rep and are purely status items. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8010 "2009-12-30T21:57:45Z")
Rik, is your tailor the toon on Cairne? It would be nice if we had different cloth specialties and could trade. But if this is your toon on another server, never mind! With the specialization, one set of mats will get you 2 cloths of your specialty, but only one of the others. So in my case I can make 2 Moonweave every four days, but only 1 Ebonweave or 1 Spellweave. I don’t usually have eternal fire, though, so typically I’m making Moonweave/Ebonweave. I was making Glacial Bags, but now I’m saving my Moonweave for the Ulduar moonweave bracers, if I can find another tailor to make them (since I don’t have the recipe). ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8011 "2009-12-30T22:05:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > My main’s insanely geared, and I’ve been randomly assigned to UK more times than I’ve gotten the new ICC 5-mans. Can you give us the link to your insanely geared main again? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8012 "2009-12-30T22:11:59Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Well, I’m exalted with all of the all 4 of the Wrath Factions; I just wanted to know if there were any other tabards I can equip that would give me rep for any other faction. I’ve noticed since 3.3 that I’ve gotten rep with all of the Northrend Horde factions when I wasn’t wearing a special tabard (actually I wear the teleporting tabard from the Argent Crusade, but I don’t think that has anything to do with it). Got myself to 20 Exalted reps without even trying. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8013 "2009-12-30T22:49:31Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > You’ll typically see in General people saying “LFG threat/citadel” or “LFG chillmaw/commanders” or something similar. It’s very common to team up to bust Chillmaw’s ass for that daily, then everyone heads over to the Citadel to rock the Commanders (and the Lieutenants, usually). It’s possible to solo the Commanders, they’re about as difficult as Champion-level jousters Is that what that non-stop LFG is about? I knew the “threat” part referred to a quest called “Threat from Above”, having seen it spelled out once or twice (a quest I haven’t seen yet - is it the daily that opens after that infra-green bombing quest I did last night?), but I didn’t make the connection on the “citadel” part. > [@](#): > > (tip: clear the Scouts around them _first_ with Shieldbreakers Yeah, I do that as best I can (and I only figured out _how_ to take them down after I just happened to see somebody else do it - geez I wish they’d offer better instruction in-game when they hand out these quests), but like I said, they respawn _fast_. Is that what that non-stop LFG is about? I knew the “threat” part referred to a quest called “Threat from Above”, having seen it spelled out once or twice (which I haven’t seen yet - is it the daily that opens after that infra-green bombing quest I did last night?), but I didn’t make the connection on the “citadel” part. > [@](#): > > then dance your horse around to stomp the foot soldiers after aggroing Oh wow, is that what the “but don’t worry about the footmen - you can trample them under your hooves” thing is about when you get the quest? I never picked up on what that meant, since it isn’t actually explained. I assumed it was just referring to the (apparent) fact that I can line up on the first footman in a column when they’re standing in formation and charge straight through the whole column. At least, I’ve _assumed_ they’re all falling down in a row behind me. I can already imagine that being able to jump up and down on the ones surrounding the commanders/lieutenants will make my job much easier. But again: geez I wish they’d offer better instruction in-game when they hand out these quests. Especially when it involves an ability that, as near as I can tell, wasn’t used at all during the “training” jousting matches. I had noticed that my jousting mount had a different animation from my regular horse when I hit the space bar, but I didn’t see any clue that it was an actual combat ability. > [@Skammer](#): > > Rik, is your tailor the toon on Cairne? It would be nice if we had different cloth specialties and could trade. But if this is your toon on another server, never mind! With the specialization, one set of mats will get you 2 cloths of your specialty, but only one of the others. So in my case I can make 2 Moonweave every four days, but only 1 Ebonweave or 1 Spellweave. I don’t usually have eternal fire, though, so typically I’m making Moonweave/Ebonweave. I was making Glacial Bags, but now I’m saving my Moonweave for the Ulduar moonweave bracers, if I can find another tailor to make them (since I don’t have the recipe). Nope, this is Eilyssana, my main on Lightbringer (yes, the strangely bizarre paladin who is a Tailor/Enchanter :p). Keliraeda, my paladin on Cairne, is an Herbalist/Skinner. I also wasn’t aware that I could specialize in Moonshroud/Spellweave/Ebonweave. Where do you get that? I don’t see it at the trainer … ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8014 "2009-12-30T22:52:48Z")
Yeah, I was already exalted with all the Tabard Champion factions, and I noticed it gave me Sunreavers rep. When I hit exalted, it gave me Horde Expedition rep to exalted. Now I’m getting Hand of Vengeance reputation. Pretty nice deal. ETA: Rik, your specialty carries over from whatever you selected in Burning Crusade (mooncloth/eboncloth/spellcloth). You can change it but I’ve never looked into how. I would assume you can do it at a trainer, but you might have to do it at the trainers in Shattrath. I’m just guessing though. ETA again: I just noticed you were asking how to specialize in the first place. There is a quest you get in Shattrath that lets you choose your specialty, I’ll try to find a link for you. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8015 "2009-12-30T22:58:52Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Is that what that non-stop LFG is about? I knew the “threat” part referred to a quest called “Threat from Above”, having seen it spelled out once or twice (a quest I haven’t seen yet - is it the daily that opens after that infra-green bombing quest I did last night?), but I didn’t make the connection on the “citadel” part. After a certain point (I _think_ after you do the Black Knight quest chain), Threat From Above becomes available. That’s a group quest to kill Chillmaw. Citadel is Battle Before The Citadel, which is the Commander kill quest. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8016 "2009-12-30T22:59:42Z")
> [@wowwiki.com](#): > > Tailors of level 60 or higher with a skill of 350 or greater can choose a Tailoring Specialization – Mooncloth Tailoring, Shadoweave Tailoring, or Spellfire Tailoring – by completing a quest from one of the neutral specialists in Shattrath’s Lower City. These specialists also sell patterns relating to their specialty. Specializing allows the tailor to make two pieces of Primal Mooncloth, Shadowcloth, or Spellcloth (respectively) per cooldown instead of just one, and from a single set of mats. Whichever you choose carries over into WotLK tailoring as well. You can go back to the specialists to change your specialty, for a fee. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8017 "2009-12-30T23:44:21Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > ETA: Rik, your specialty carries over from whatever you selected in Burning Crusade (mooncloth/eboncloth/spellcloth). You can change it but I’ve never looked into how. I would assume you can do it at a trainer, but you might have to do it at the trainers in Shattrath. I’m just guessing though. > > ETA again: I just noticed you were asking how to specialize in the first place. There is a quest you get in Shattrath that lets you choose your specialty, I’ll try to find a link for you. That’s the thing - I’m pretty darned sure I specialized back in BC: I can make Primal Mooncloth, which I believe you have to specialize to make. But that doesn’t seem to have carried over to Moonshroud in Wrath. I guess I’ll have to go back to Shatt and figure out whether I actually specialized or not. > [@Bosstone](#): > > After a certain point (I _think_ after you do the Black Knight quest chain), Threat From Above becomes available. That’s a group quest to kill Chillmaw. Citadel is Battle Before The Citadel, which is the Commander kill quest. Okay, cool. I’ve done all of the BK chain _except_ the final quest to kill him. ---
**Author:** ![shinto46](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@shinto46](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shinto46)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8018 "2009-12-31T00:04:43Z")
Seasons Greetings fellow WOWers! I hope Santa brought everyone something good this year. Congrads to all for the various achievements you got. I hope to be getting a few myself to post this weekend after having to take a brief vacation from playing do to real life stuff. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Tuesday, he happened to fly by K3 and saw the Time-Lost Proto-Drake, killed it and got the mount, and then maybe two hours later he not only saw the Battered Hilt drop in an ICC five-man, but won the roll. > > If he lived closer to Vegas, I’m pretty sure he’d be playing from a new mansion by now. What a lucky sum’bitch. Wow! Talk about lucky. Do you think he would rent himself on some of my runs? I could use those kinds of drops for my priest and hunter. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8019 "2009-12-31T06:50:25Z")
[del]Dumbassery[/del] Skill is… Healing through Heroic Trial of Champions (5-man) with the lance equipped instead of my staff. :smack: Only one death (well, plus one in the jousting) at the very end, too. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8020 "2009-12-31T08:43:53Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I’m having fun with the Tournament stuff, now that I’m a Champion, but I’ll admit the two daily quests (the one for Champions, and the one for Valiants - I’m working on Ironforge now) that involve jousting with actual undead enemies are frustrating as hell unless there happen to be several other people doing those quests at the same time. It’s hard taking out the Commanders, in particular, when you’ve got those damned flying guys taking down your shields faster than you can get them up. And of course, those guys seem to respawn as fast as you kill them. So I’ve noticed that the people doing the quests tend to help each other out, even across factions, by getting the Scouts out of other players’ hair and assisting with shield breakers on the lieutenants and commanders, so I’ve been doing likewise. There are no gargoyles on the stairs leading up to the citadel, just run through the mobs at the bottom and up to the top and they will reset, then you can just pull one Commander at a time and fight it on the stairs. This has the added bonus of giving you a way to escape if you realize that you’ve screwed up and won’t be able to kill the Commander, just run up to the top of the stairs again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=400) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=402)