# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 403
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8041 "2010-01-02T21:16:24Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > That being said, I have been making insane (for me) amounts of gold since I finally got around to starting questing in Icecrown and doing the Argent Tournament dailies. A week ago my pally was down to less than 5000g, largely due to the expenses involved in leveling Enchanting. As of last night, I’m up over 8000g. Yeah, the dailies are great. I’ve actually been very lax this past week or two in doing mine, and I’ve steadily dropped from 4000 gold to 1000g as of today. It doesn’t help that I’m trying to save ore for Blacksmithing, so that part of my income has been severely curtailed. Plus of course I’ve been leveling up my mage…bah. Just a bunch of stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8042 "2010-01-03T00:10:14Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > So last night I was slaughtering vrykuls in Jotunheim (Icecrown) last night, when a Valhalas Vargul dropped [this little beauty](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44311)! I haven’t decided yet whether I want to sell it or use it for my prot spec. Selling was the first thing that popped into my head, because Auctioneer was showing a value of around 1800g, and I’ve seen this sword priced as high as 2400g or more on a regular basis when perusing the AH. But for now I’m just going to hold onto it, because I went to the AH to see what it’s really going for right now, and discovered that my server’s lunatic undercutters had gotten the price all the way down to 700g :mad: It’s not worth 2400g, I’ll be impressed if you even get 700g for it. It’s not a good tank weapon and with that speed it’s only useful as an off-hand weapon for Combat Rogues(and maybe Death Knights, not sure what kind of weapon speeds they want when they dw) or as a stat stick for Hunters, and since you can get ilvl 219 and 232 weapons from 5 man instances these days no sane person is going to spend thousands of gold on an ilvl 200 weapon. > [@](#): > > Visiting the SW bank yesterday, I had a real WTF? moment when I saw this: > > [http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/wtf.jpg](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/wtf.jpg) > > That draenei’s gear, aside from her cloak, shoulders, and weapon, was appearing all f’d up, and it was _only_ her, nobody else. Is it reasonable to assume this person was using some sort of against-the-rules model-altering hack? No, model altering hacks are only visible on the client doing the hacking, what you’re seeing is a problem on your end, it happens sometimes, though I don’t think I’ve ever seen it with that many colours. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8043 "2010-01-03T01:12:52Z")
So I ran H Forge of Souls again this morning, and what dropped but [these lovelies](http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50207)? Now I’m geared up just about as much as a non-raider can get: [armory page](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=cairne&n=muzungu) - just need the Valor bracers. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8044 "2010-01-03T02:16:10Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > It’s not worth 2400g, I’ll be impressed if you even get 700g for it. It’s not a good tank weapon and with that speed it’s only useful as an off-hand weapon for Combat Rogues(and maybe Death Knights, not sure what kind of weapon speeds they want when they dw) or as a stat stick for Hunters, and since you can get ilvl 219 and 232 weapons from 5 man instances these days no sane person is going to spend thousands of gold on an ilvl 200 weapon. Hmm. Then it’s probably not a great weapon for a prot-specced paladin 😃 (Though it shows about +13 DPS over [my existing 1-hander](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44192).) My prot spec is for PvP, not tanking, if that makes any difference. > [@](#): > > No, model altering hacks are only visible on the client doing the hacking, what you’re seeing is a problem on your end, it happens sometimes, though I don’t think I’ve ever seen it with that many colours. 🙂 I just thought it was odd that it was only that one toon showing up that way, and only the body-hugging parts of her armor. It seems like a graphics glitch at my end would effect more than just that. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8045 "2010-01-03T21:50:19Z")
So I decided to run Forge of Souls, normal, because James Brown drops a decent Resto druid chestpiece. I figured we’d fly through it because, hey, it’s not heroic. Silly me. I should have realized the group was going to be entirely new 80s who were gearing up. We cleared James Brown easily enough (the tank was experienced too, and the DPS paid attention when we laid out the fight, but I didn’t get my chest piece), but we pulled too much trash before the final boss and wiped. Insert 30 freaking minutes of one knucklehead circling Icecrown Citadel as a ghost desperately trying to find the entrance with me trying in vain to give him clear directions. We cycled through like three different DPS while waiting for him to get inside, and as soon as he did the tank had to leave. _sob_ We found another tank, who was also just gearing up. I explained the mechanics of the final boss fight, thinking it wouldn’t be too hard. Two wipes later, the second faster than the first, even my patience ran out. I apologized and dropped party. I tried, I really did. I didn’t want to be a dick to the poor newbies. But my _god_ it was painful, and I was starting to neglect chores that would wind up with my cat peeing on the bed if I didn’t tend to them. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8046 "2010-01-03T22:18:25Z")
CoS run from hell for me today: First we wipe early, but my corpse is pretty far out - instead of releasing and running, which I realize later I should have done, I sit there watching as the priest gingerly sneaks in to get all 4 players’ res’d, only able to get one at a time as the mob pack patrols back towards him. Then we decide to try to do Zombiefest; we kill all the infinite dragonflight dudes and run back to town to grab some zombies; sadly, it seems that they don’t repop as fast as I thought they had, and so we can’t do that either (having already messed up the timed run). Then we clear the road to the battle with Malganis, and someone says, “Hey, where’s Arthas?” - no one had talked to him. And what we didn’t realize was that talking to him re-populates all the trash in between. Ugh. Fortunately, I happened to be standing near to the healer with one DPS nearby; the other two DPS weren’t so lucky and wound up getting to try soloing an elite and like 10 zombies each. Plus the DPS (enhancement shaman) decides that he’s bored, and I’m moving too slow and goes and starts grabbing extra packs of mobs before I follow. Bleah. At least we finished the instance, but fun was not had. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8047 "2010-01-04T01:01:46Z")
**Bosstone** , I just read a thread on the official forum talking about how the new Dungeon Finder is going to result in a whole crapload of people who have never entered an instance any other way and so they’re not going to have any idea how to find the entrances. That, and even more people whose entire WoW experience, once they reach lvl 80, is going to consist of nothing but dungeons and sitting in Dalaran waiting for their spot in the queue to come up. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8048 "2010-01-04T02:18:07Z")
I’ll admit that I had a hell of a time finding the Icecrown dungeon entrances the first time I wiped in one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8049 "2010-01-04T03:21:02Z")
Oh, absolutely. I had to hunt down the ICC 5-man entrance myself, too. And I was certainly as patient and non-snarky as possible, recognizing they were newbies and we were running the non-heroic, which is where they ought to be (although frankly, if you only have a couple pieces of 200 gear, even the non-heroic ICC stuff is going to be tough as hell). Being patient, by the way, is incredibly hard when you say “Get in front of the citadel, then look up and to your right to see banners” and you watch the little dot on the map just constantly circling the citadel. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8050 "2010-01-04T03:22:42Z")
Wasn’t **targeting** , Ogdammit!:mad::smack: Thanks, **mlees** and **lizardling** , for your assistance! Ol’ **Wolk’** looks real sexy widdat crossbow! 🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8051 "2010-01-04T04:31:43Z")
…and what must I do to get rid of it? [![](https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/stupidmap.jpg) ](https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/stupidmap.jpg) I can only read PART of the quest info and I don’t want it. Thanks! Q ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8052 "2010-01-04T04:36:55Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > …and what must I do to get rid of it? > > [http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/stupidmap.jpg](http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/stupidmap.jpg) > > I can only read PART of the quest info and I don’t want it. > > Thanks! > > Q I think that’s the new Blizzard update, using their own version of a “questhelper”. Try, using your mouse, to pull down on that little scroll bar on the right side of the quest text, and see if you can read more info. (If you want to read it there. Otherwise, you can still read it in the regular quest list.) ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8053 "2010-01-04T05:14:57Z")
Okay, thanks **FH**! 🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8054 "2010-01-04T15:44:04Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > That, and even more people whose entire WoW experience, once they reach lvl 80, is going to consist of nothing but dungeons and sitting in Dalaran waiting for their spot in the queue to come up. I have to admit that on my priest, I’ve done very little since the patch except heroic after heroic. No dailies except the occasional fishing. So my pocket money has dwindled to about 1300g. One thing I have done is collect 12 Moonshroud and 4 Crusader orbs, so I have all the mats for the Royal Moonshroud Bracers (so I don’t have to get the Valor bracers). Now the hard part is finding a tailor with that recipe. I spammed trade for a little while last night looking for one, but didn’t have very much time. I’ll try again tonight. On the other end of the scale, my 'lock is now 36 and has been working on the various warlock quests in between SM/RFK runs. I still have a bunch of quests to do in Hillsbrad but they’ll all be gray by the time I get back to them. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8055 "2010-01-04T15:46:40Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > One thing I have done is collect 12 Moonshroud and 4 Crusader orbs, so I have all the mats for the Royal Moonshroud Bracers (so I don’t have to get the Valor bracers). Now the hard part is finding a tailor with that recipe. I spammed trade for a little while last night looking for one, but didn’t have very much time. I’ll try again tonight. I broke down and bought the Valor bracers; I figure by the time I got around to (a) collecting up/buying the 7 extra Titansteel I need and (b) finding someone to make the darn things[1], I’ll probably have already grabbed another 60 Triumphs to buy the 4 Crusader Orbs. [1] Saronite Swordbreakers or whatever they’re called. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8056 "2010-01-04T17:10:23Z")
I’ve had much more fun with random dungeons after grabbing a friend, typically my husband, to go with. Group up, head in as a duo (or more), and have some sane company for your adventuring. Best yet, get a pre-made group of 5 and use the random dungeon finder, as you still get the bonus emblems for the runs even if you don’t get random participants to join you. The only issue I had with an all-guild run was that one of the members - an officer, even - wasn’t following our new loot rules. He was greeding on everything blue/purple, which in our guild rules is only is done by an enchanter. (For greens we were all hitting disenchant and they were being D/E’d, so we definitely had one.) The one I knew of isn’t that high level, though, so I assumed that the officer greeding was a high-level enchanter who would handle the unneeded blues/purples. Nope. I told him ‘hey, I thought you were an enchanter since you were greeding on everything’ and he said no, that he just wanted money. I then began greeding too, and finally made a “check his dice” comment in group chat as he kept beating me, adding on the comment that I wanted a shard or two from this run. (I wasn’t going to hit DE, because that’s against our guild loot rules as people might still need that as an upgrade, if only for an offspec set.) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8057 "2010-01-04T17:18:00Z")
It’s a Happy New Year Wall of Text! > [@tacoloco](#): > > At this point, I’ve stopped running randoms, except for once a day for the frost badges. I’m focused so much on my Mage right now, I only run the one random Heroic on my main to grab the badges. I feel kind of guilty, 'cause tanks are in such short supply, but the Mage really needs the gear. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I also made the discovery that, as a tailor, I can make all three of the special cloths (moonshroud, spellweave, and ebonweave). Yup, you can make all three. They’re all on independent four-day cooldowns (unlike, say, Alchemy transmutes, where it’s just one linked cooldown for almost everything). The only difference is that you get an extra piece of cloth for whatever you’re specialized in. If you have a friend who’s got a different tailoring specialty than you, you can even trade cloth cooldowns to get what you need for cheaper than buying the cloth (and faster than waiting to make it all with your own CDs). > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Can you give us the link to your insanely geared main again? Sleutel on Borean Tundra. I think [this link](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Borean+Tundra&n=Sleutel) should work, but I can’t get to the Armory from work to check. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Is that what that non-stop LFG is about? I knew the “threat” part referred to a quest called “Threat from Above”, having seen it spelled out once or twice (a quest I haven’t seen yet - is it the daily that opens after that infra-green bombing quest I did last night?), but I didn’t make the connection on the “citadel” part. It’s related to the Argent Tournament, not the other IC quests. > [@](#): > > Oh wow, is that what the “but don’t worry about the footmen - you can trample them under your hooves” thing is about when you get the quest? Yup, just looping around them kills them. You don’t need to target them or hit them with any attacks–just run them down. 😃 > [@](#): > > Especially when it involves an ability that, as near as I can tell, wasn’t used at all during the “training” jousting matches. I had noticed that my jousting mount had a different animation from my regular horse when I hit the space bar, but I didn’t see any clue that it was an actual combat ability. It’s not an ability, per se–just a mechanic. And the jumping animation is because the horse is a vehicle, not a mount. What really bugs me more than anything is that, after they hammer into your head to Shield Breaker and then Charge through an insanely repetitious bunch of dailies, they throw you at a bunch of NPCs who will eat you alive unless you do it the exact opposite way. > [@](#): > > I also wasn’t aware that I could specialize in Moonshroud/Spellweave/Ebonweave. Where do you get that? I don’t see it at the trainer It goes off of your [TBC Tailoring specialty](http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.wowwiki.com/Tailoring%23Specialization&usg=AFQjCNGvVI1BGF-uQ8ZtCzFbl9-ryT3LNg&ei=uBpCS6LTKpKGnAeA-dyDCQ&sa=X&oi=section_link&resnum=1&ct=legacy&ved=0CA0QygQ). Mooncloth (Primal Mooncloth) –\> Moonshroud; Spellfire (Spellcloth) –\> Spellweave; Shadoweave (Shadowcloth) –\> Ebonweave. > [@Bosstone](#): > > After a certain point (I _think_ after you do the Black Knight quest chain), Threat From Above becomes available. That’s a group quest to kill Chillmaw. Citadel is Battle Before The Citadel, which is the Commander kill quest. Correct, Threat From Above opens up after you kill the Black Knight. The first part of that chain starts as soon as you become an Aspirant, I believe, but you can’t get the final part of the chain until you become a Champion of your home faction. > [@shinto46](#): > > Wow! Talk about lucky. Do you think he would rent himself on some of my runs? I could use those kinds of drops for my priest and hunter. 😃 Unfortunately, the luck doesn’t seem to carry over to anyone else. 😛 > [@Bosstone](#): > > Healing through Heroic Trial of Champions (5-man) with the lance equipped instead of my staff. This is exactly why I remind everybody to equip their normal weapons after the transition, double-check my own, and check for forests sticking up where there shoudln’t be any. 😃 > [@Mogle](#): > > There are no gargoyles on the stairs leading up to the citadel, just run through the mobs at the bottom and up to the top and they will reset, then you can just pull one Commander at a time and fight it on the stairs. That’s a great tip, thanks! I’ll have to try it the next time I don’t have anyone online to come kill Commanders with me. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > BTW: Those Christmas trees I keep seeing? I click on 'em, but don’t get a present. Moot point now, but it’s only the main trees in Ironforge (for Alliance, outside the bank) and Orgrimmar (for Horde, outside the bank) that have presents under them. Hope you found yours–Winter Veil is over for the year. > [@mlees](#): > > Also, AFAIK, dragging ammo from your bag to the action bar will do nothing for you. I will have to reverify this, as this may have changed over the years. Neither ammo nor ranged weapons should be placed on action bars. Neither will be usable in that form. You must use the Shoot/Throw skill, or a macro that uses the Shoot/Throw skill. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I submitted a ticket, but only got the “We’re aware of the issue and are actively working on a solution” runaround. Yeah yeah yeah. Judging by the comments on Wowhead, they’ve been “aware” of this issue for some time now. They have a habit of doing that–just ignoring problems to focus on other stuff. Hope you can get your hat soon. ☹ I’m assuming you already have the other one from the Tanaris quest already, right, in the mean time? It looks exactly the same–you just can’t summon a ghost wolf with it. > [@](#): > > Whoa, there’s Kel’Thuzad strolling through town with a friend! You’d think with a name like that, they’d have been suspicious earlier. “Hi guys, I want you to meet my friends: John, Andrew, Amy, and Kel’Thuzad.” I’ll give you three guesses which one goes on to dabble in necromancy, and something tells me you won’t need all of them. > [@](#): > > While I was in the Caverns of Time I also took a tour through Culling of Stratholme. Did you find the flower vendor? > [@](#): > > Made Exalted Champion of Ironforge yesterday. I was a little bit disappointed to discover the IF quartermaster sells exactly the same weapons/armor as the SW quartermaster. All AT gear is identical across the four home city factions. The only things that differ are the flavor items (tabards, banners, pets, and mounts). > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > [Thought I’d share this neat story I found](http://kokomoperspective.com/news/local_news/article_15a0a546-f574-11de-ab22-001cc4c03286.html). WI had an article up about it. I got massively downrated for saying how much it creeped me the hell out. 😃 > [@](#): > > And I need to get out of this thread-ya’ll are making me want to re-sign up. Joinnnnnnnnnn usssssssssssss! > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Also, I wondered if I might need to buy a quiver for those cross-bow arrows, and that’s what is slowing **Wolkie** down? Quivers don’t benefit anyone anymore–all they do is take up a bag slot with something that can only be used for ammo. (And now that it stacks to 1,000, you shouldn’t need more than one slot for it, let alone a whole bag, since all you’re using it for is pulling.) Just make sure to target something, then hit the macro, and you’ll be just fine. 🙂 > [@lizardling](#): > > And yeah, I think that since you’re a warrior, right-clicking a mob that’s far away will give you that error message because the game won’t automatically switch you from melee to ranged attacks per what mlees said. Someone who plays a war more than I have would be able to confirm _koff SFG koff_. The only class with a ranged auto-attack is Hunters. Everyone else has to manually shoot their ranged weapon. With a Warrior, if you right-click on a mob that’s out of range, it will turn your melee auto-attack on (you’ll see your character drop into their “attack” position), but it will give you an out-of-range error (unless you have those turned off) and won’t shoot or throw anything. However, this will also target the mob in question, after which you can select your Shoot or Throw skill, or a macro that uses them. > [@](#): > > This makes me wonder if the “ranged” macro you’re using has a line that uses either /tar or /target in it? If so, something may be broken in the macro – and in that case, you’d have to check with whoever set you up with the macro to figure out how to fix it. Nope, it doesn’t. (I gave him the macro.) All it does is decide whether to use Shoot or Throw based on what he has equipped, so he doesn’t have to change the button when he changes ranged weapons. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I haven’t decided yet whether I want to sell it or use it for my prot spec. That’s your PvP Prot spec, right? From what I remember of the stats on the sword, it wouldn’t be any good for PvE Prot. Aha, looks like it’s Agi, Stam, AP, and Hit. I don’t know Pallies that well, but in general I think Str is better than Agi for you, DPS-wise. Really, this is a Rogue sword. Honestly, it’s probably such a small upgrade that you’d be better off running Heroics for a PvE weapon or grinding Arenas for a PvP one. > [@](#): > > But for now I’m just going to hold onto it, because I went to the AH to see what it’s really going for right now, and discovered that my server’s lunatic undercutters had gotten the price all the way down to 700g Given how easy it is to get ilvl 219 and higher weapons from Heroic instances now, it’s probably not rabid undercutters–just the market at work. Why would someone drop 2k gold on a sword they’re bound to replace pretty quickly? > [@](#): > > Is it reasonable to assume this person was using some sort of against-the-rules model-altering hack? Nope, your graphics are just glitching. > [@Bosstone](#): > > Insert 30 freaking minutes of one knucklehead circling Icecrown Citadel as a ghost desperately trying to find the entrance with me trying in vain to give him clear directions. For next time: [WI actually posted a video](http://www.wow.com/2009/12/08/patch-3-3-how-to-find-the-frozen-halls/) of how to find the entrance, which you can post in party chat for anyone who keeps getting lost. If you lose the link, just do a Google search for **ICC entrance site:wow.com** and it should be the first return. > [@](#): > > Two wipes later, the second faster than the first, even my patience ran out. I apologized and dropped party. I try to stick it out when people are actually learning and improving. (I went on a fairly long regular PoS run when my friend needed to replace a DPS who’d dropped group–turns out that not only was the tank a fresh 80 in crappy gear, but it was only his second time tanking. But I kept going because the group actually listened, and did what we told them, and fixed whatever they did wrong after a wipe. And on the plus side, I learned how insanely easy CC makes the trash packs going up the ramp after Ick–whenever you can, try to get a group with a Mage and at least one Priest.) But the gear is getting good enough on the Mage now that repairs are getting pricy, and I’m not about to stay and wipe and wipe and wipe when it’s a lost cause. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > …and what must I do to get rid of it? If you want to go back to just using QuestHelper, here’s how to make your map look normal again. If you look at [your screenshot](http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/stupidmap.jpg), you’ll see that there’s an option in the lower-right corner called “Show Quest Objectives.” If you uncheck that, it will get rid of all the quest crap and pop your map back up to its normal size. If you decide you want to go back to it later, just check it again. On another note, if you look in the upper-right corner, you’ll see a little arrow next to the X to close the map. Clicking that arrow will shrink your map down to a smaller version that you can have up in front of you but still see around, which some people find helpful for navigation when traveling longer distances. There should be a similar button in the same place on the shrunken map to expand it back out to the full-size version again. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8058 "2010-01-04T17:27:24Z")
Welcome back, **Guns**! I missed your posts. 🙂 > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > This is exactly why I remind everybody to equip their normal weapons after the transition, double-check my own, and check for forests sticking up where there shoudln’t be any. 😃 Yeah, but it’s a little harder with Druids. A tree doesn’t carry a staff around. That just means I have to be extra-sure of my gear, of course. I heard talk (might have been in this thread, might have been [WoW.com](http://WoW.com), not sure where) of the devs making Druid forms more like Paladin Auras and Hunter Aspects, where you get an animation, but otherwise remain in your normal humanoid form. I think I’d like that more than I would miss the forms. > [@](#): > > WI had an article up about it. I got massively downrated for saying how much it creeped me the hell out. 😃 I saw that. I won’t derail this thread with a debate, so I’ll just say I was reading the comments with interest. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8059 "2010-01-04T17:36:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > And on the plus side, I learned how insanely easy CC makes the trash packs going up the ramp after Ick–whenever you can, try to get a group with a Mage and at least one Priest.) But the gear is getting good enough on the Mage now that repairs are getting pricy, and I’m not about to stay and wipe and wipe and wipe when it’s a lost cause. Just out of curiosity, how do you do it? I’d guess you could sheep the female necromancer, shackle the fire guy on the right, taunt/silence the other fire guy and do some sort of aoe to hold on to him and the other two undead, right? I was having a hell of a time with a somewhat undergeared healer going up that hill, and shackling one of the fire guys made an immense difference. (For that matter, I’ve found that just marking skull-x makes an amazing difference in terms of knocking the damage-dealers down before my defensive cooldowns run out - I’m afraid I get lazy running random normal Northrend heroicss with uber-geared raiders). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8060 "2010-01-04T17:37:36Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I heard talk (might have been in this thread, might have been [WoW.com](http://WoW.com), not sure where) of the devs making Druid forms more like Paladin Auras and Hunter Aspects, where you get an animation, but otherwise remain in your normal humanoid form. I think I’d like that more than I would miss the forms. DO NOT WANT. I like the trees. (And the dancing bears.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=402) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=404)