# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 405
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8081 "2010-01-04T20:08:33Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Do the chain. šŸ˜‰ > > I should add, itā€™s not an _obvious_ chain. But if you keep doing quests off your airship, youā€™ll see it all unfold. Itā€™s one of the coolest lore chains in the game that can be done solo, IMO. Cool. I did the Convert 100 ghouls thing after which I was just sent back to talk to Thassarian, and it seemed to end there - no obvious followup anyway; he was just offering the same 2 group quests that heā€™s been offering for a while now that I havenā€™t taken the time to do yet. (And no, I didnā€™t read any of the spoilers.) Oh, I wanted to mention ā€¦ I am cracking up every time I do the [Drag and Drop](http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13323) daily. ā€œWait! I was framed! Donā€™t drop me! AAAAAAAAIIIIEE!ā€ šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8082 "2010-01-04T20:10:55Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Cool. I did the > > Convert 100 ghouls thing > > after which I was just sent back to talk to Thassarian, and it seemed to end there - no obvious followup anyway; he was just offering the same 2 group quests that heā€™s been offering for a while now that I havenā€™t taken the time to do yet. I think the next bit is in the area with the little adorable cute baby frost wyrms, just south of the tourney grounds. Fly around looking for a !. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8083 "2010-01-04T20:13:00Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I think the next bit is in the area with the little adorable cute baby frost wyrms, just south of the tourney grounds. Fly around looking for a !. Yeah, you should get a quest pointing you to Sindragosaā€™s Fall (which is that area). ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8084 "2010-01-04T20:24:35Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Iā€™m trying to think how to achieve this without a priest, since hey, random dungeon finder - I guess you could get that guy into an ice trap by silencing him & letting the hunter deal with him - do hunters have a built-in silence or would i have to help out with that? Hunters can shoot their ice block traps now. At least some of them canā€“it might be talented, Iā€™m not sure. If you have a Ret Pally, they could use Repentance, too. If youā€™re really stuck, a Prot or Holy Pally could use Turn Undead/Turn Evil to keep one of the caster mobs off you for 20 seconds, but you run the risk of having it aggro a second pack if it runs the wrong way, and the short duration means youā€™ll almost certainly have to reapply it once, if not twice. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > In the Tournament itself, Iā€™ve had more success with Charge -\> continue running, loop around and then Shield Breaker. Yup, thatā€™s exactly what I meant. They train you to do Shield Breaker then Charge, but in practice against an NPC, itā€™s always better to Charge and then Shield Breaker. Go figure. > [@](#): > > That is, Iā€™m constantly seeing them toss a shield breaker and instantly initiate a charge, for example, or, alternatively, charge me, stop on a dime precisely when they hit me (instead of continuing past me), and then slam me with a shield breaker while theyā€™re standing right on top of me. Frustrating as hell. Yeah, I really hate the jousting mechanics. One small tip Iā€™ve figured out for when youā€™re fighting things at the Citadel: if you hold down your forward key (W by default) instead of guiding yourself with your mouse once youā€™ve got yourself aimed in the right direction, and then keep it held down while you mash Charge, after your Charge hits the target, youā€™ll flip around in an instant 180 turn going back the way you came. This is very handy for avoiding aggroing more than you want to. > [@](#): > > I spotted something very strange while doing the Battle Before the Citadel daily a couple days ago: a custom-model NPC on foot, fighting a Commander. A mouseover revealed this NPC was ā€œPrince Arthas Menethilā€. Right in front of the little encampment where the mounts are. The hell was that about? Thereā€™s some phased flashback stuff that happens there. You probably ran into some of it. > [@](#): > > I realized Iā€™d tagged one of the mobs in another groupā€™s attempt, which meant they all now had to start all over just to get that one Bombadier they didnā€™t get credit for Yikes. It happens now and again, but itā€™s definitely something to watch out for. Best way to deal with it is to just whisper the group leader, apologize profusely, and offer to help/invite them to your group/let them take tag one of your mobs (some combination of the above). > [@](#): > > So this was just the ā€œnormalā€ hat, not the blue one (though the comments on Wowhead say neither one is dropping). The hat was the only reason I was in Old Hillsbrad. Well that blows. I love my hatā€“Iā€™ve got a whole little Mariachi outfit. šŸ˜ƒ > [@](#): > > Yesterday I did the quest in Icecrown where you set off the big saronite bombs and fall down the deep hole. You were right, it is Arthasā€™s heart. And the boy is the manifestation of the last remnant of Arthas as Arthas himself, versus being neither Arthas nor [Nerā€™Zhul](http://www.wowwiki.com/Ner'zhul), but only the Lich King. Itā€™s the last of his humanity, basically. > [@mlees](#): > > No. Unfortunately, at the time I was more annoyed then amused. ā˜¹ Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8085 "2010-01-04T20:26:43Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yeah, you should get a quest pointing you to Sindragosaā€™s Fall (which is that area). Okay, Thassarian _did_ send me there to kill cultists, but I didnā€™t come across any new quests there while doing that one. I must have just missed it/not gone to the precise area where the questgiver is. Iā€™ll check again. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8086 "2010-01-04T20:28:49Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Okay, Thassarian _did_ send me there to kill cultists, but I didnā€™t come across any new quests there while doing that one. I must have just missed it/not gone to the precise area where the questgiver is. Iā€™ll check again. Check around for the boy just about immediately east of the big hole in the ground. Heā€™s hard to see, but should be around there somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8087 "2010-01-04T20:29:42Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Okay, Thassarian _did_ send me there to kill cultists, but I didnā€™t come across any new quests there while doing that one. I must have just missed it/not gone to the precise area where the questgiver is. Iā€™ll check again. Check at the narrow tip of the hole on the far side. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8088 "2010-01-04T20:31:26Z")
If you get really stuck, you can look up the last quest you did on Wowhead and see whatā€™s next in the chain. If you use QuestHelper, that also now has a feature to mark uncompleted quests on your map. Just right-click the QH button in the upper-right of your zone map, select the option that says something like ā€œTrack Incomplete Quests,ā€ and itā€™ll give you a bunch of lovely purple dots. All it gives is the quest number and name, but thatā€™s enough to take to Wowhead or a similar site and find out exactly what it is, if itā€™s part of a chain that you havenā€™t started, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8089 "2010-01-04T20:32:53Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Well that blows. I love my hatā€“Iā€™ve got a whole little Mariachi outfit. šŸ˜ƒ Thatā€™s what I was going for, too (as well as notching one more quest toward Loremaster of Kalimdor). Since my 80 is a tailor I can make the Haliscan clothes already to go with the hat when I get it, and Iā€™m planning to buy myself a pinto horse to complete the look šŸ™‚ Loremaster stuff: Iā€™m just 42 Icecrown quests and 7 Zulā€™Drak quests away from Loremaster of Northrend. I still think those darn Zulā€™Drak vehicle/remote-controlled-minion quests are going to be my downfall. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8090 "2010-01-04T20:52:23Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I still think those darn Zulā€™Drak vehicle/remote-controlled-minion quests are going to be my downfall. If you possibly can, find another person to do them with. The Storm Giant quest in particular is exponentially easier with a second person. The one where you have to control aboms and use them to kill ice trollsā€¦ is just completely bugged to fuck. Thereā€™s no rhyme or reason as to which kills you get credit for and which you donā€™t. Skip it if you can, unless youā€™re a stubborn bitch like me, who doesnā€™t want to ā€œlet the bug winā€ :rolleyes: and just keeps going anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8091 "2010-01-04T20:57:53Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > The one where you have to control aboms and use them to kill ice trollsā€¦ is just completely bugged to fuck. Thereā€™s no rhyme or reason as to which kills you get credit for and which you donā€™t. Skip it if you can, unless youā€™re a stubborn bitch like me, who doesnā€™t want to ā€œlet the bug winā€ :rolleyes: and just keeps going anyway. Really? I found that one easy; you basically get credit for the trolls who you kill by exploding your abomination (but not the ones you beat down, which is annoying). Anyway, itā€™s super-easy once you have the theory down - use your farts to knock down and aggro a bunch of trolls while sending your abomination running from troll to troll, then explode and kill a dozen or so, then grab another abomination, rinse, repeat. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8092 "2010-01-04T21:17:23Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > If you possibly can, find another person to do them with. The Storm Giant quest in particular is exponentially easier with a second person. The one where you have to control aboms and use them to kill ice trollsā€¦ is just completely bugged to fuck. Thereā€™s no rhyme or reason as to which kills you get credit for and which you donā€™t. Skip it if you can, unless youā€™re a stubborn bitch like me, who doesnā€™t want to ā€œlet the bug winā€ :rolleyes: and just keeps going anyway. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Really? I found that one easy; you basically get credit for the trolls who you kill by exploding your abomination (but not the ones you beat down, which is annoying). Anyway, itā€™s super-easy once you have the theory down - use your farts to knock down and aggro a bunch of trolls while sending your abomination running from troll to troll, then explode and kill a dozen or so, then grab another abomination, rinse, repeat. Gotta go with **Tom** here. Itā€™s dead easy and has never been buggy for me. Let the abomination do all the work. Itā€™s also training for the exact same quest in Icecrown that takes place in the Broken Front. Gymer can kiss my ass, though. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8093 "2010-01-04T21:29:33Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Really? I found that one easy; you basically get credit for the trolls who you kill by exploding your abomination (but not the ones you beat down, which is annoying). Thatā€™s how itā€™s SUPPOSED to work. Thatā€™s how it worked when I did it on my main, over a year ago. Now, itā€™s completely fucking bugged. You can be standing _right on top of your abom_ when you explode him, killing a dozen trolls, and get credit for _none_. There are theories about having to stun them and then explode them once the DOT wears off, or stun them and then explode them, but while the DOT is still up but after theyā€™ve stood up, or explode them without knocking them down at all, or standing close, or standing farā€¦ and none of it is consistent. Believe me, I know exactly how to do this questā€“and itā€™s **broken**. You can see other people complaining about it if you look at the Wowhead comments. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8094 "2010-01-04T21:34:44Z")
Ah, havenā€™t levelled a character through Icecrown in about a year. Pity, cause I love that chain. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8095 "2010-01-04T21:38:10Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Gotta go with **Tom** here. Itā€™s dead easy and has never been buggy for me. Let the abomination do all the work. Itā€™s also training for the exact same quest in Icecrown that takes place in the Broken Front. > > Gymer can kiss my ass, though. Yeah, itā€™s been fine for me with the abominations. Run him through as many trolls as possible (I target a troll and hit attack, causing him to run that way, then pick a new target after heā€™s picked up a few friends), using the AOE knockdown ā€œfartā€ when the crowds get thick, then, watching his health bar carefully, explode him when thereā€™s a good-sized group. Run until any pursuers turn around, rinse and repeat. I hate Gymer. I only finished his quest because I was trying for the achievement with the number of quests done in each Northrend zone, and was stuck on Zulā€™Drak quests to do. Turns out that Gymer can die after a boss kill, except the second to last as that triggers the last boss, and youā€™ll still get credit. It still took me two tries to get the last two down, and the second time involved a lot of running around to find clouds and a very close fight, but I managed. I havenā€™t finished the similar ā€œbig ā€˜vehicleā€™ fight questā€ in Sholazar. And I really, really hate Oculus, but thatā€™s mostly because I have big troubles with the positioning. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8096 "2010-01-04T21:55:41Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Yeah, itā€™s been fine for me with the abominations. Run him through as many trolls as possible (I target a troll and hit attack, causing him to run that way, then pick a new target after heā€™s picked up a few friends), using the AOE knockdown ā€œfartā€ when the crowds get thick, then, watching his health bar carefully, explode him when thereā€™s a good-sized group. Run until any pursuers turn around, rinse and repeat. Yeah, thatā€™s how I did it on my main, and it worked great. But on my Mage, Iā€™d only get credit maybe every fifth explosion. Hopefully itā€™s still unbugged for at least some people. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8097 "2010-01-04T22:03:09Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Loremaster stuff: Iā€™m just 42 Icecrown quests and 7 Zulā€™Drak quests away from Loremaster of Northrend. I still think those darn Zulā€™Drak vehicle/remote-controlled-minion quests are going to be my downfall. Iā€™ve got about 7 or 9 quests left to do in Icecrown for the Northrend Loremaster, but everything I have left in my log is a group quest that I havenā€™t been able to solo (at least not the last time I tried; my gear is considerably better now so maybe I should try again). I really just need to get a guildy to help out but I can never be bothered. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8098 "2010-01-05T02:14:23Z")
Oh hey, I lied about the jousting thing. (Sorry, hard to think about how it works when Iā€™m not actually doing it.) What I do is creep up right into Shield-Breaker range, then hit that and hold down my \*\*\*BACK \*\*\*key (S by default) while mashing Charge. That will then cause you to flip 180 after you hit the target and run back from where you started, as opposed to continuing past your target. ETA: [ā€œRecruit us!ā€ thread](http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418851749) is up on the Alliance guild forums. Tell your friends. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8099 "2010-01-05T03:25:29Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Gotta go with **Tom** here. Itā€™s dead easy and has never been buggy for me. Let the abomination do all the work. Itā€™s also training for the exact same quest in Icecrown that takes place in the Broken Front. Iā€™ve done that Icecrown daily 2-3 times now. Piece of cake once I figured it out. My biggest problem was locating the mobs I was supposed to asplode the first time I did it. The first time I did the quest I arrived clear at the opposite end of the area because I was flying in from doing another quest in that direction. I landed, killed an abomination, reanimated it ā€¦ and then had to truck the entire length of the area to locate the relevant mobs :smack: However, I have no recollection of doing a similar quest in Zulā€™drak. I neglected to mention earlier that I rolled up a male troll hunter a couple days ago, my first male troll toon. And I donā€™t know why, but Iā€™m really having a lot of fun with him. More fun getting him to lvl 10 than I had running an orc hunter through exactly the same quests. I guess part of the reason is that this is the first toon Iā€™ve rolled under the new patch 3.3 starting zone system. I made it to lvl 10 without a single death; I only came close once, while doing the quest to kill all those Kul Tiras sailors and marines - I ran into one of those ā€œbugsā€ that appear every once in a while where mobs respawn and aggro on you before theyā€™ve even completely phased in, instead of there being a 5-second or so window where you can get the hell away when you see them spawn. So I was already fighting two mobs and a third spawned and aggroed right next to me and all I could do was run like hell. I managed to run far enough for the three mobs to leash back without picking up any extra mobs along the way. Anyway, the rapid health & mana regeneration is sweet, though I thought it was a little cheesy that the starting area (Valley of Trials in this case) is now completely devoid of hostile ā€œredā€ mobs, even in the cave. Going through that cave to get that NPCs pick and then kill the ā€œbossā€ guy in the back was a cakewalk. Also, male trolls seem to have a lot more personality than male orcs. (And dagnabbit, I started typing all that hours ago, and thought I had posted it. Came out of the game and switched to my browser, and there was the whole thing, unposted. Oh well, now Iā€™m up to 116/140 in Icecrown, and I _seem_ to have made it through that whole quest chain involving the ghost kid. At least, Iā€™m up through the big ā€œpartyā€ at the cathedral ā€¦ Iā€™m Revered now with Knights of the Ebon Blade, so I was able to get that Arcanum for my helm. Guess Iā€™ll keep working toward Exalted, even though I donā€™t see any Exalted gear they have that I want/need. And great googly moogly, I wish there were more Wyrmrest dailies. With only three available, the crawl toward Exalted with them is just plain tedious. And a crawl.) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8100 "2010-01-05T04:36:21Z")
> [@](#): > > The gear requirement for heroic Halls of Reflection has been increased. [THANK YOU.](http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418851790&sid=1) Nothing kills enthusiasm for dungeon running like running face first into H HOR every damn night. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=404) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=406)