# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 446
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8901 "2010-02-03T16:02:05Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Buff foods and paladins: Is there any particular buff food that’s considered “best” for ret pallies? I generally carry around three different buff foods: Dragonfin Filet (+40 STR, +40 STA), Spicy Blue Nettlefish (+40 Crit, +40 STA), and Poached Northern Sculpin (+80 AP, +40 STA). I carry all three simply because it’s usually easier to come up with a stack of each kind of fish than to come up with multiple stacks of of one fish. When I’m out doing PvE I generally eat whichever one strikes my fancy at any given time, and frankly, I don’t see any huge difference in overall performance. +40 STR is genererally considered the very best Ret Pally buff food (you can kinda tell this because you always gem for STR also - if 40 crit was as good as 40 STR then you’d be gemming for crit). As pointed out upthread it’s only marginally better than the Fish Feast buff though, so if one of those is offered you won’t take much of a hit using it instead. > [@martu](#): > > I am annoyed - I carried on with the Wrathgate chain and saw the King and this leads eventually to Undercity. However I missed the damn battle - I spent ages killing the ghoul things (which was a fun fight being invincible) but then had no idea where to go next. Finally ended up in the throne room to be greeted with ‘It didn’t have to end this way’ and I am kicked back to Stormwind. Bugger. Off to youtube to find a video of it. I did the same thing except I got stuck in the elevator… :smack: As mentioned it’s normally better just to sit outside until the event resets so you can see it all and actually fight along-side you’re faction leaders. > [@](#): > > Is it wrong to find Sylvanas exceptionally hot btw? She is dead after all. I’d renounce my Alliance ties and join the Foresaken if she asked me in a heartbeat. Total babe. 🆒 > [@Foma](#): > > I was leveling my baby mage last night when all inventory-type actions were slowed way down. Combat was fine and latency was slightly above average. > > I’ve never had just _one_ aspect of the game slow down like that. Looting, vendors, professions, even moving things around in my bags was painfully slow. > > Has anyone ever had this problem? Yes, inventory stuff was way screwed up last night for me. Auctions were impossible and the mail took a very long time to open. Looting/fishing were bad… basically anything that effected inventory. Combat seemed fine but we did have a party get kicked from H Nexus and my toon was then unable to log in (stuck on loading screen) for about 15 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8902 "2010-02-03T16:14:05Z")
Does anyone have a good addon to manage their titles? Specifically I’d just like one that randomly selects a title for me when I log in, and randomly changes it after a certain interval. I had one that worked fine until the last patch (before yesterday’s) but now I can’t get one to work. I think the ones I’ve tried without success are Titlemaster and PaxiTitle. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8903 "2010-02-03T16:29:26Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Is it wrong to find Sylvanas exceptionally hot btw? She is dead after all. I’d renounce my Alliance ties and join the Foresaken if she asked me in a heartbeat. Female and het here so I’m not that interested in her that way, but she is indeed full of awesomeness. (Stupid for trusting Varimathras and the Royal Apothecary Society, but no one’s perfect.) She used to have a different skin, but this is much cooler. There’s a great low-level Horde quest involving her backstory, set out in the Ghostlands, so mostly BElves encounter it. You explore an area that the Windrunner family once lived in, and find a necklace from one of her sisters. [When you give it to her](http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Journey_to_Undercity), she reacts with surprise, then feigns annoyance and indifference, but a short while later, she begins singing the song [Lament of the Highborne](http://www.wowwiki.com/Lament_of_the_Highborne). I highly recommend going to that second link and scrolling down to watch the embedded “Official Machinima” video near the bottom. Near the very bottom, for outside links, there’s a YouTube link that shows how it looks in-game when you complete the quest. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8904 "2010-02-03T16:34:14Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Female and het here so I’m not that interested in her that way, but she is indeed full of awesomeness. (Stupid for trusting Varimathras and the Royal Apothecary Society, but no one’s perfect.) She used to have a different skin, but this is much cooler. Yeah, her model used to be the standard banshee (which was THE undead female elf model). They customized her so she’s obviously Sylvanas from Warcraft III, an undead female elf ranger, a few patches back (Lich King debut?). > [@Ferret Herder](#): > > There’s a great low-level Horde quest involving her backstory, set out in the Ghostlands, so mostly BElves encounter it. You explore an area that the Windrunner family once lived in, and find a necklace from one of her sisters. [When you give it to her](http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Journey_to_Undercity), she reacts with surprise, then feigns annoyance and indifference, but a short while later, she begins singing the song [Lament of the Highborne](http://www.wowwiki.com/Lament_of_the_Highborne). I highly recommend going to that second link and scrolling down to watch the embedded “Official Machinima” video near the bottom. Near the very bottom, for outside links, there’s a YouTube link that shows how it looks in-game when you complete the quest. I love that sequence SO MUCH! Every time I start a Belf, I eagerly work my levels up to where I can go get that necklace, just for the show. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8905 "2010-02-03T17:15:20Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > This is a “rolling” event where it will restart itself every 15 minutes or so (I forget how often it seems to run), and multiple ungrouped people can participate at once. People who arrive “early” will wait around for a while, until your side’s leaders (the Horde gets Thrall and Sylvanas) say that it’s time, then you charge in. People who arrive “late” play catchup and miss a lot of the “flavor” events that go on. Well I missed all of them, such a shame. Thanks for the heads up, if\when I get another toon to the mid 70s I’ll know what to do. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8906 "2010-02-03T17:15:45Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Holy Paladin Librams are pretty underwhelming, I picked up [Venture Co. Libram of Mostly Holy Deeds](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38364) last night and it is only an extra 69 of healing using Holy Shock. Meh. Bleh. I’m still stuck with my [Venture Co. Libram of Retribution](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38362). Yay, Divine Storm does an extra 81 damage :rolleyes: I’m starting to wonder if, for the most part, dungeons are the only place to find librams. I’m amazed at how scarce these things are. I rarely even find them on the AH, and the ones that show up there are always very low-level. > [@Skammer](#): > > I didn’t notice any bugs last night, but for a while I was getting horrendous lag – 2000-2400 ms. When your instant spells take 2.4 seconds to cast, it’s hard to be an effective healer. I logged in later and it had improved some (down to 600-800 mis, which at least was playable). I didn’t have any major lag issues yesterday, but late at night when I was playing my mage I had some disconnection issues. The first happened when I was going to turn in my last Un’Goro quest - I was riding my elekk from Marshal’s Refuge to that goblin by the hot springs to turn in the “find the hottest spot” quest. At first I just thought it was good fortune that I seemed to be avoiding hostile mobs, but then I got to where the goblin should have been and he wasn’t there, and that’s when I realized I’d lost my connection. That type of disconnect is usually fixed by logging out and back in, but the problem is that if there’s no connection, you _can’t_ log out, or even quit the game “correctly”. I have to “force quit”, the Mac OS X equivalent of CTRL+ALT+DEL on Windows or “kill” on Linux/UNIX. A bit later I had a couple more disconnects while in Darnassus trying to use the AH. Has anybody noticed those large, white beetles scampering around the Argent Tournament Grounds from time to time? You can’t click-select them, and there’s no tooltip when you mouse over them, but I did finally notice yesterday that they show up on my minimap when I have my paladin’s “Sense Undead” ability active. Mousing over their yellow dots on the minimap got me a tooltip label that said “Innocuous Scarab”. Hmm. “Innocuous”, huh? As in “pay no attention to that large bug”? Some kind of spies, I suspect. Anybody know what they’re up to? ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8907 "2010-02-03T17:22:15Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Female and het here so I’m not that interested in her that way, but she is indeed full of awesomeness. (Stupid for trusting Varimathras and the Royal Apothecary Society, but no one’s perfect.) She used to have a different skin, but this is much cooler. > > There’s a great low-level Horde quest involving her backstory, set out in the Ghostlands, so mostly BElves encounter it. You explore an area that the Windrunner family once lived in, and find a necklace from one of her sisters. [When you give it to her](http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Journey_to_Undercity), she reacts with surprise, then feigns annoyance and indifference, but a short while later, she begins singing the song [Lament of the Highborne](http://www.wowwiki.com/Lament_of_the_Highborne). I highly recommend going to that second link and scrolling down to watch the embedded “Official Machinima” video near the bottom. Near the very bottom, for outside links, there’s a YouTube link that shows how it looks in-game when you complete the quest. Arrrggghhhh I had a belf (who is now a gnome) who levelled up through Ghostlands but I missed this somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8908 "2010-02-03T17:22:45Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Has anybody noticed those large, white beetles scampering around the Argent Tournament Grounds from time to time? You can’t click-select them, and there’s no tooltip when you mouse over them, but I did finally notice yesterday that they show up on my minimap when I have my paladin’s “Sense Undead” ability active. Mousing over their yellow dots on the minimap got me a tooltip label that said “Innocuous Scarab”. Hmm. “Innocuous”, huh? As in “pay no attention to that large bug”? Some kind of spies, I suspect. Anybody know what they’re up to? Yes, they are “spies” if you will, or minions of the last boss in the Crusader’s Coliseum. Turns out the Argent Crusade picked a rather unfortunate spot to host their tournament. Anub’arak is the last boss, under the shattered floor of the coliseum as apparently Ajzol-Nerub was just a setback. He spawns similar scarabs during the encounter. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8909 "2010-02-03T17:25:01Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Arrrggghhhh I had a belf (who is now a gnome) who levelled up through Ghostlands but I missed this somehow. The necklace that starts the quest is a random drop from a zone where you need to kill about 20 mobs; normally that’s more than enough to get the necklace to drop but I had one BElf who had to kill 3 or 4 extras to get it. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8910 "2010-02-03T17:28:21Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Holy Paladin Librams are pretty underwhelming, I picked up [Venture Co. Libram of Mostly Holy Deeds](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38364) last night and it is only an extra 69 of healing using Holy Shock. Meh. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Bleh. I’m still stuck with my [Venture Co. Libram of Retribution](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38362). Yay, Divine Storm does an extra 81 damage :rolleyes: I’m starting to wonder if, for the most part, dungeons are the only place to find librams. I’m amazed at how scarce these things are. I rarely even find them on the AH, and the ones that show up there are always very low-level. Well, not 100% familiar with librams, but DK relics are similarly unimpressive; that slot just doesn’t have huge bonuses associated with it. The better ones are usually sold fairly cheaply by the badge vendors, which does indeed mean dungeons. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8911 "2010-02-03T17:34:22Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > The necklace that starts the quest is a random drop from a zone where you need to kill about 20 mobs; normally that’s more than enough to get the necklace to drop but I had one BElf who had to kill 3 or 4 extras to get it. I’ve always gotten it from either the acolytes or the banshees in the big tower out on the southwest coast of Ghostlands. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8912 "2010-02-03T17:35:55Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Well I missed all of them, such a shame. Thanks for the heads up, if\when I get another toon to the mid 70s I’ll know what to do. I believe you can speak to someone where you picked up the quest and ask them “What happened here?” They’ll replay the whole scene for you, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8913 "2010-02-03T17:42:52Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’ve always gotten it from either the acolytes or the banshees in the big tower out on the southwest coast of Ghostlands. Yeah, I’m just saying it’s possible (though unlikely) to kill all of the ones you need to kill for the quest and not have the necklace drop; so if you don’t know to look for the necklace you might be unlucky enough to miss it. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8914 "2010-02-03T17:44:04Z")
Oh yeah, thanks **Bosstone** and **Jas09** for the food buff info. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > There’s a great low-level Horde quest involving her backstory, set out in the Ghostlands, so mostly BElves encounter it. You explore an area that the Windrunner family once lived in, and find a necklace from one of her sisters. [When you give it to her](http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Journey_to_Undercity), she reacts with surprise, then feigns annoyance and indifference, but a short while later, she begins singing the song [Lament of the Highborne](http://www.wowwiki.com/Lament_of_the_Highborne). I highly recommend going to that second link and scrolling down to watch the embedded “Official Machinima” video near the bottom. Near the very bottom, for outside links, there’s a YouTube link that shows how it looks in-game when you complete the quest. For some reason I don’t recall actually _hearing_ Sylvanas sing the song when my belf pally turned in that quest some time back. I remember the choir showing up and the animation of them and Sylvanas singing, but no actual singing. I could be simply remembering incorrectly, I suppose, or maybe I had my sound way down or something. Or actually, I wonder if having “Music” unchecked in the Sound settings panel would make the song not play? I have it turned off simply because as a musician I get tired of hearing the same looped pieces of music played over and over and over during regular gameplay. In any case, I watched the “official machinima”. Wow, what a beautiful song. It actually brought tears to my eyes. If I ever get around to leveling my belf warlock further, I’ll try to remember to turn the Music on when I get the quest and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8915 "2010-02-03T17:47:26Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > Don’t forget to add: "Hey, Brain Freeze procced! I actually didn’t spec into it. From what I recall, it wasn’t worth it for where I was at. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Here’s one I couldn’t delete because I needed “permission”. Did you try asking your mom? 😛 Without having my computer in front of me, I can’t try anything to see what might be going on. You could try it later, or make sure you’re deleting it on an Administrator account. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > as a PvE hunter, how much STA do I need, anyway? Not much. IIRC, a BM Hunter will pass more of their Stam over to their pet, so it’s more useful for them (if they’re soloing), but IMO Agi will always be better. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Do y’all think me and da **Wolk’** might need to take us a woman along next time we go shopping? Welcome to Outland: Land of Rainbow Clown Suits. > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Are dungeons for lvl 80 chars or are there low level dungeons also? How long does a typical dungeon take? What if you need to get back to real life mid dungeon? 1.) There are dungeons starting as early as about level 10 (though you can’t queue for them using the random LFG feature until 15 or so). At-level, these are run with five-man groups: one tank, one healer, and three DPS (damage-dealers). Groups who overlevel or outgear an instance might run it with a smaller group–or even solo. Raids are available at levels 60, 70, and 80, and were designed for the endgame at their release. Older raids are available in one size each: 10, 20, 25, or 40. WotLK raids are each available in 10- or 25-man versions. 2.) Dungeons vary greatly in the length of time they take to complete, depending on the instance in question, the skill/gear/level of the players, and how many bosses they choose to kill (if any are optional). Most lower-level instances will take at least 30 minutes, but probably closer to an hour–longer if you get a large instance and decide to clear all of it. 3.) If you need to get back to real life mid-dungeon, you leave. Unless you have a good reason for doing so, this is considered rather rude, especially if you’re the tank or the healer (a role that will be harder to replace). In a normal dungeon, there is no penalty for leaving before an instance is complete. TBC and WotLK dungeons have Heroic versions; while the number of times you run a regular instance is limited only by the five-instances-an-hour lockout, you may run any given Heroic dungeon only once per day. Once you kill the first boss of any Heroic dungeon, you are “locked” to that version of it until tomorrow. (So, if you skip out in the middle of a Heroic, that’s your one chance, unless you can convince that group of people to wait for you and all come back later to finish it.) > [@martu](#): > > Did I miss an obvious prompt telling me where to go? IMO, the battle was pretty poorly designed. It works like the very end of the DK starting chain, if you’ve done that. Everyone who’s on that stage of the quest sees the same phased area, and the event repeats constantly. So if you show up early, you have to wait around, and if you show up late, there’s nothing to guide you to where you’re supposed to be. > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Is this the game leading me to the next levelling area for me (lvl 21) or am I going to have to go looking for an appropriate area? Generally speaking, the game will send you on delivery quests to higher-level zones in the vicinity of where you’re currently questing. However, it doesn’t always do this, and the zone it sends you to might not be the best one for your level, so it always pays to take a look at a zone list like the one linked earlier. > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > is there a specific way to find levelling areas for particular level ranges, or is it a “ask and find out” / “look and see” kind of a deal? “Look and see” can work, but sometimes you’ll find very high-level areas immediately adjascent to very low-level once. For instance, to the east of the Undead starting zone Tirisfal Glades, you’ll find the Western Plaguelands, where the mobs are in their 50s. Particularly notable are the “welcome bears”–plagued bears that roam just past the Bulwark (at the border between the zones), which often run up to [del]rip the heads off of[/del] give unsuspecting new lowbies a hug. > [@jayjay](#): > > My computer has been shipped. Wooooooooooo! > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I’m starting to wonder if, for the most part, dungeons are the only place to find librams. AFAIK, all Relics are a pain in the ass to find. I don’t think there are a lot of BoE ones–mostly they’re available from dungeons, raids, and badges. > [@](#): > > Anybody know what they’re up to? They were a clue that Anub’Arak was the final boss of ToC. After you defeat the “last” boss (Twin Valks), the LK comes out, mocks you for building the colliseum over “[his] empire” (i.e., more of the Nerubian kingdom), and breaks the floor open, and you fall into the cave where Anub is waiting for you. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8916 "2010-02-03T17:48:18Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Or actually, I wonder if having “Music” unchecked in the Sound settings panel would make the song not play? I have it turned off simply because as a musician I get tired of hearing the same looped pieces of music played over and over and over during regular gameplay. I assume this is the case - the linked article says that it replaces the ambient music in all of Undercity when it plays. Another neat thing about sound in Undercity - on the outside (ground) level, stand next to the old throne. Turn the ambient sounds way, way up, and you can hear sound of old events playing, from when Arthas slew his father there, and I think other, related things too. I found a link to this somewhere before, but can’t find it at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8917 "2010-02-03T17:56:09Z")
Finally broke down and dropped Herbalism. Really, I should have traded it for a better endgame tanking prof a long time ago, but I’m stubborn. Really, really stubbord. Ah well. I spent a while last night farming up a stock of herbs, then swapped Herbalism for Mining. I’m coming up on 200 Mining now. Hopefully I’ll have it maxed soon, and I can quickly gather most of what I’ll need to powerlevel Jewelcrafting, at which point I’ll dump Mining and pick up JC. Whew! Did anybody else watch the post-LK-battle cinematic? Fordragon is the new Lich King. No big surprise there, since we knew he was in ICC but didn’t turn into a boss. Kinda sucks for the Horde, though: your guy gets to be a DK and then a corpse^2; our guy gets to control massive legions of the Undead. > [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Turn the ambient sounds way, way up, and you can hear sound of old events playing, from when Arthas slew his father there, and I think other, related things too. I found a link to this somewhere before, but can’t find it at the moment. IIRC, it’s actually the sound from the cutscene in WCIII where the prophet-guy-who-turns-into-a-crow comes to warn Arthas’s dad about the plague. You can see the bloodstain from where Arthas killed him, though. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8918 "2010-02-03T18:18:26Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Another neat thing about sound in Undercity - on the outside (ground) level, stand next to the old throne. Turn the ambient sounds way, way up, and you can hear sound of old events playing, from when Arthas slew his father there, and I think other, related things too. I found a link to this somewhere before, but can’t find it at the moment. Yup, somebody mentioned that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in this thread (or perhaps the prequel to this thread). The bells in the bell tower ringing, the cheers of the crowd in the passageway right after that, the shouting of nobles in the throne room … I was just in UC on my troll hunter a couple days ago, and for the very first time I noticed the plaque on what I had always assumed was an altar of some sort in the smaller, round room behind the throne room. Discovered that’s actually King Terenas II’s tomb. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > IIRC, it’s actually the sound from the cutscene in WCIII where the prophet-guy-who-turns-into-a-crow comes to warn Arthas’s dad about the plague. You can see the bloodstain from where Arthas killed him, though. Yup. After it was first mentioned here I fired up WCIII and watched the relevant cinematic, and the sounds were exactly the same. “Prophet-guy-who-turns-into-a-crow” was Medivh, right? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8919 "2010-02-03T18:33:20Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Did anybody else watch the post-LK-battle cinematic? Where can that be seen (other than defeating Arthas, I guess)? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8920 "2010-02-03T18:34:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Kinda sucks for the Horde, though: your guy gets to be a DK and then a corpse^2; our guy gets to control massive legions of the Undead. Well, Thrall is apparently soon to acquire Vast Cosmic Power, and in any case I’ll take the Horde leadership over the Alliance leadership any day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=445) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=447)