# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 447
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8921 "2010-02-03T18:36:06Z")
Oh yeah, I meant to mention this a couple days ago, but forgot. You know those dwarf “fortresses” or “barracks” or whatever they’re called? The square ones, not the round “towers”. I have bitched endlessly (to myself) about the design of those things, because my Alliance toons were constantly getting completely turned around and lost inside them, and it would always take me forever to locate specific NPCs I needed to talk to because I could see the “!” or “?” on the minimap, but damned if I could actually find a passage that would get me to that spot. It took nearly a year of playing this game before I finally felt comfortable getting around in those buildings. Well … after needing to go into Angar Fortress in the Badlands with my troll hunter (for the quest to retrieve that uppity belf’s stolen luggage and sword), I have to grudgingly admit to the brilliance of the design from a _defensive_ standpoint. Those places are insanely difficult to infiltrate, especially if you’re larger than a dwarf (which means pretty much everybody but gnomes). Thanks to the combination of very short corridors, lots of corners, and staircases around every corner, it is literally impossible (assuming you’re going in "at level) to get line of sight on a defender without getting close enough to aggro said defender. My hunter was constantly forced into melee, usually with multiple opponents, because I could never get far enough away from the dwarves to use my bow, and if I _did_, it was pretty much guaranteed I was going to aggro even more of them. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8922 "2010-02-03T18:37:15Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Well, Thrall is apparently soon to acquire Vast Cosmic Power, and in any case I’ll take the Horde leadership over the Alliance leadership any day. You mean … he’s going to become a Herald of Galactus? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Woeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Woeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Woeg)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8923 "2010-02-03T18:46:35Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Speaking of this, I’ve found that when I’m surfing the AH for hunter gear, it pays to inspect everything that doesn’t have a suffix (I know my hunter can ignore Owl, Eagle, Bear, Boar, Whale, etc.). Because I’ve noticed that people post Monkey and Bandit gear and automatically slap a huge buyout price on those items, but apparently don’t bother to look at the stats on those items _without_ suffixes (either that, or they just assume all the rogues and hunters are just going to zero in on the Monkey and Bandit gear and ignore everything else). I can’t count the number of times I’ve looked at a low-level Monkey piece going for 30g+, and right above or below it is a no-suffix piece with the same or even _more_ AGI on it going for 5g. As a hunter I’ll take the STA hit if there is one — as a PvE hunter, how much STA do I need, anyway? — and save the 25g. I’ve noticed this too - the suffix gear I have is mostly from the random dungeon “goody bag”, whilst much of my other gear is not suffixed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8924 "2010-02-03T19:21:22Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > You mean … he’s going to become a Herald of Galactus? > 😃 😃 Actually, he’s going to become the next Guardian of Tirisfal. ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8925 "2010-02-03T19:56:41Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Where can that be seen (other than defeating Arthas, I guess)? Yeah, looked around, couldn’t find this (although I’ve found about a million speculation sites…) ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8926 "2010-02-03T20:02:45Z")
> [@ArrMatey](#): > > Yeah, looked around, couldn’t find this (although I’ve found about a million speculation sites…) [mmo-champion.com](http://mmo-champion.com) has the video embedded in their post from yesterday, IIRC. ARGH… nevermind - Blizz apparently pulled it from youtube. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8927 "2010-02-03T20:07:35Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Did anybody else watch the post-LK-battle cinematic? > > Fordragon is the new Lich King. No big surprise there, since we knew he was in ICC but didn’t turn into a boss. Kinda sucks for the Horde, though: your guy gets to be a DK and then a corpse^2; our guy gets to control massive legions of the Undead. Hmmm… Is he going to be a kinder, gentler Lich King, with Fordragon’s more mature personality and strength of will keeping a rein on Ner’zhul? Or is it going to be “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”? Are they wrapping up the Scourge storyline in prep for the Cataclysm storyline, with the Old Gods and their draconic buddy being the new Big Baddies? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8928 "2010-02-03T20:10:51Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Hmmm… Is he going to be a kinder, gentler Lich King, with Fordragon’s more mature personality and strength of will keeping a rein on Ner’zhul? Or is it going to be “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”? Are they wrapping up the Scourge storyline in prep for the Cataclysm storyline, with the Old Gods and their draconic buddy being the new Big Baddies? Well, it’s Blizzard, and they’ve had no shame about recycling old plot lines, and in this case the transition from Diablo to Diablo II could be a reasonable comparison. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8929 "2010-02-03T20:43:53Z")
OK in Ashendale, done a couple of quests and homed in an inn at a town in the centre. hit level 22 🙂 Will i be able to find a shaman trainer out in alliance territory, or am I going to have to head back home for that? ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8930 "2010-02-03T20:54:46Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > OK in Ashendale, done a couple of quests and homed in an inn at a town in the centre. hit level 22 🙂 Will i be able to find a shaman trainer out in alliance territory, or am I going to have to head back home for that? You’ll need to head back home, yeah. Trainers are posted in the Alliance home cities – I’m sure there’s shaman trainers in SW, IF, Exo, and Darn. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8931 "2010-02-03T20:55:08Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > OK in Ashendale, done a couple of quests and homed in an inn at a town in the centre. hit level 22 🙂 Will i be able to find a shaman trainer out in alliance territory, or am I going to have to head back home for that? Unfortunately, the only Alliance Shaman trainers in Kalimdor are in the Draenei starting area (Azure Watch and the Exodar). You can either set your hearth in Astranaar, take the hippogryph to Auberdine, take the boat to Azuremyst, get trained in the Exodar, then hearth back, or just hearth back to wherever you were hearthed in the starting area, get trained in the Exodar, take the boat back to Auberdine and take a gryph back to Astranaar. It’s a pain, but there’s not much choice. Once you’re in Eastern Kingdoms, it’s a little easier, as both Ironforge and Stormwind have shammy trainers. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8932 "2010-02-03T20:56:12Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > You’ll need to head back home, yeah. Trainers are posted in the Alliance home cities – I’m sure there’s shaman trainers in SW, IF, Exo, and Darn. Not Darnassus, according to WoWwiki. Nobody goes there, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8933 "2010-02-03T20:58:48Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > [http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/rainbowwolk.jpg](http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/rainbowwolk.jpg) > > Do y’all think me and da **Wolk’** might need to take us a woman along next time we go shopping?😉 > > Thanks > > Q Oh God, no. Anything that looks half way normal on a male toon is nothing but bra, panties and boots when near a female toon! I don’t think the skin designers dated much in high school 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8934 "2010-02-03T21:15:27Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Not Darnassus, according to WoWwiki. Nobody goes there, anyway. I sit corrected - I was going by what I remembered. That seems a little odd though since druids and shamans are both linked to nature so it wouldn’t be as weird as having a hunter trainer in UC (that’ll be likely to change come Cata, though). ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8935 "2010-02-03T21:17:23Z")
[![](https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/transwolk.jpg) ](https://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff71/Drummerboy49/transwolk.jpg) Hope y’all can see this. I deleted every folder the GM said to delete, and I am still getting the transparency. I know y’all said it’s SUPPOSED to be this way, but that doesn’t explain why I have never HAD it this way, and when I went to UI, it ALWAYS took me out of the game with no fear of being attacked. Yeah, I know: It’s a minor inconvenience: just go hide and make the changes, but y’all know how I am…:rolleyes: Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8936 "2010-02-03T21:21:29Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > I sit corrected - I was going by what I remembered. That seems a little odd though since druids and shamans are both linked to nature so it wouldn’t be as weird as having a hunter trainer in UC (that’ll be likely to change come Cata, though). They probably figured that Darnassus and Exodar are so close to each other that it doesn’t really matter, with Darnassus being the one most “out of the way” for any character who’s going to be an Alliance shaman (which is only Draenei, at this point). I imagine that Gilneas is going to have shaman trainers when Cat comes out, but that doesn’t really help since it’s in EK, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8937 "2010-02-03T21:22:20Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Oh God, no. Anything that looks half way normal on a male toon is nothing but bra, panties and boots when near a female toon! > > I don’t think the skin designers dated much in high school 😃 You couldn’t possibly be referring to [this kind of thing](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/kelibikini.jpg) 😃 Yes, that’s armor. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8938 "2010-02-03T22:08:03Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > You couldn’t possibly be referring to [this kind of thing](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/kelibikini.jpg) 😃 > > Yes, that’s armor. Good thing you have that hat to preserve your modesty! ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8939 "2010-02-03T22:58:14Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Unfortunately, the only Alliance Shaman trainers in Kalimdor are in the Draenei starting area (Azure Watch and the Exodar). You can either set your hearth in Astranaar, take the hippogryph to Auberdine, take the boat to Azuremyst, get trained in the Exodar, then hearth back, or just hearth back to wherever you were hearthed in the starting area, get trained in the Exodar, take the boat back to Auberdine and take a gryph back to Astranaar. It’s a pain, but there’s not much choice. > > Once you’re in Eastern Kingdoms, it’s a little easier, as both Ironforge and Stormwind have shammy trainers. I could swear there’s a dranei shammy trainer in Ironforge. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/8940 "2010-02-03T23:02:46Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Buff foods and paladins: Is there any particular buff food that’s considered “best” for ret pallies? I generally carry around three different buff foods: Dragonfin Filet (+40 STR, +40 STA), Spicy Blue Nettlefish (+40 Crit, +40 STA), and Poached Northern Sculpin (+80 AP, +40 STA). I carry all three simply because it’s usually easier to come up with a stack of each kind of fish than to come up with multiple stacks of of one fish. When I’m out doing PvE I generally eat whichever one strikes my fancy at any given time, and frankly, I don’t see any huge difference in overall performance. Apologies if someone already answered. Ret Pally here with his two cents: Save the sculpin and nettlefish for Fish Feasts (and add the glacial salmon for it). Be the sexy PUG’r for dropping one down at the beginning of a LFG. Just use the Dragonfin Filet for soloing. The poached Northern Sculpin is a loss since AP doesn’t scale with other buffs like the STR does. You can get all three ingredients for fish feasts in the Wintergrasp lakes…I found a sweet spot that I can fish from and technically still be in Dragonblight while fishing in the southeastern lake in Wintergrasp. Indu’le (sp?) Lake in Dragonblight is the closests to both WIntergrasp and Dalaron where you can farm the Dragonfin for the solo food buff. That’s the best you can do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=446) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=448)