# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 474
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9461 "2010-02-19T22:59:21Z")
**Skammer** , the best way to get Crystallized Life IME is actually to harvest it off Northrend herbs–I was always swimming in the stuff. Do you have an Herbalist alt on that server, or could you make one (presumably out of a DK)? ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9462 "2010-02-19T23:15:12Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Oh, there’s no question that I was selling the Glacial Bags at a “loss” (on paper, anyway - they were still a net profit when taking into account my _actual_ costs of production). Like I said, I only made them for the skillups and don’t plan to make any more unless I go crazy and decide to equip my toon and my bank slots with them 😃 But to be fair, I _do_ pay attention to how the market is working on my server’s/faction’s AH and I keep an eye on these expensive crafted items to see how they sell and for what prices. You started with Eternals, transmuted that into around 800g worth of cloth and turned it into a bag worth 600-700g. In your case this is perfectly fine(aside from the negligible part :)) since you did it for skillups, but far too often I’ve seen people say they farmed mats and then made profit with their crafting skill, when in fact they _lost_ gold on the crafting. Eg, someone farmed herbs(worth say 100g) then made pots which they sold for 90g and then claim they made 90g with their Alchemy. :rolleyes: I just can’t let anything that resembles kind of reasoning pass without comment. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9463 "2010-02-19T23:16:13Z")
I do have a 78 Rogue who is an herbalist - I haven’t played her in six months except to unlock some boxes. I don’t remember her getting a lot of Crystallized Life, though. The best way for me was farming those Mature Thrashers in WG; I could get a couple of Eternals in 20-30 minutes. If I go the herbalizing route - any specific plant or zone to look for? ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9464 "2010-02-19T23:26:58Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Y > IIRC, they moved him into normal, as well. Oh, and listen to Mogle abou the bags. I know for sure that on my server, even selling at 500g or more each, the Glacial Bags are still a loss versus the profit I could have made off of the raw mats. So keep a careful eye on that. They’re adding a 7 day cooldown to the Glacial Bag in the next patch, btw. But, on the plus side, they’re getting rid of the cooldowns for Titansteel and the three tailoring cloths. Woot! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9465 "2010-02-19T23:28:06Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > But, on the plus side, they’re getting rid of the cooldowns for Titansteel and the three tailoring cloths. Woot! Yikes! I’d better sell my stash of Moonshroud before the market crashes! ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9466 "2010-02-19T23:37:11Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > My costs of production for Moonshroud would be a lot lower if the Horde on our server actually controlled WG once in a while, so I could farm Crystalized Life. Instead I have to buy Eternals from the AH which eat into my profits. > > Or at least the profits I would have if I sold my Moonshroud instead of hording it, which is what I’ve been doing. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > **Skammer** , the best way to get Crystallized Life IME is actually to harvest it off Northrend herbs–I was always swimming in the stuff. Do you have an Herbalist alt on that server, or could you make one (presumably out of a DK)? This is one reason I’m trying to hurry my herbalist mage along and get her to NR. Of course, she’s a tailor, too, so she’d have to share with my pally. Though once my mage is in NR and gets her Tailoring up to 450, I might drop it on my pally for something more useful to her. I’d say Blacksmithing, but at this point she’s already purchased most of the craftable BS stuff, so maybe she’ll go with something else. I hate to drop Tailoring, though, as she’d lose two mounts as well as the Swordguard Embroidery on her cloak. > [@Mogle](#): > > You started with Eternals, transmuted that into around 800g worth of cloth and turned it into a bag worth 600-700g. In your case this is perfectly fine(aside from the negligible part :)) since you did it for skillups, but far too often I’ve seen people say they farmed mats and then made profit with their crafting skill, when in fact they _lost_ gold on the crafting. Eg, someone farmed herbs(worth say 100g) then made pots which they sold for 90g and then claim they made 90g with their Alchemy. :rolleyes: > I just can’t let anything that resembles kind of reasoning pass without comment. You … you … you _accountant_ you! 😃 Oh, did I mention my warrior just dinged 70 last night? ---
**Author:** ![2sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e47774/32.png) [@2sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2sense)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9467 "2010-02-20T00:14:44Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > You started with Eternals, transmuted that into around 800g worth of cloth and turned it into a bag worth 600-700g. In your case this is perfectly fine(aside from the negligible part :)) since you did it for skillups, but far too often I’ve seen people say they farmed mats and then made profit with their crafting skill, when in fact they _lost_ gold on the crafting. Eg, someone farmed herbs(worth say 100g) then made pots which they sold for 90g and then claim they made 90g with their Alchemy. :rolleyes: This is why I avoid crafting professions. I don’t even ask guildies to make me stuff. They cheerfully offer to make me stuff if I just get the materials but why would I? I’d rather just sell my herbs/skins/ore, buy what I want, and pocket the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9468 "2010-02-20T01:22:44Z")
> [@2sense](#): > > This is why I avoid crafting professions. I don’t even ask guildies to make me stuff. They cheerfully offer to make me stuff if I just get the materials but why would I? I’d rather just sell my herbs/skins/ore, buy what I want, and pocket the difference. Well, if you want to raid at a high level, you need the bonuses that crafting professions provide. Gathering professions are definitely the best for making money, without a doubt, but they don’t come into account in the end-game. Which is why I have plenty of gathering alts. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2010, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9469 "2010-02-20T23:03:53Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Yes sir, sorry sir, it won’t happen again sir. 😃 It was a combination of being exceedingly busy at work at home sick. [Crotchedly Old Man] Heh! Little Snapper-Whimmer! Guess I told _her_!;)[/COM] Seriously, Honey! I hope you’re all better and wish I coulda brought you a cup a hot chokkie and wiped your snotty nosie or something! Opa Quas’ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sandra\_nz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@sandra\_nz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sandra_nz)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9470 "2010-02-21T09:04:26Z")
I am now Elder Mooma! Man, that was a lot of work! ---
**Author:** ![2sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e47774/32.png) [@2sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2sense)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9471 "2010-02-21T09:05:05Z")
There are better bonuses from certain crafting professions but our guild isn’t Min/Max. We just beat Lord Marrowgar for the first time this week. We have people that powerleveled Jewelcrafting or Leatherworking but not having the maximum bonuses doesn’t cost you a raid spot. And the gathering bonuses aren’t necessarily terrible. Mining gives stamina which is good for tanking. Unfortunately I have Skinning, the Crit helps me some, and Herbs which doesn’t do much at all. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9472 "2010-02-21T23:56:24Z")
The other day I came up with an idea for an anti-Scourge weapon, and a marketing campaign to go along with it: DEAD-ON! APPLY DIRECTLY TO UNDEAD! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9473 "2010-02-22T05:41:46Z")
Well, a few minor things of note this weekend. I logged on Saturday morning before my daytrip out of town, and lo and behold, Horde had Wintergrasp! I am now Elder Nahren. 😃 I finally pulled together the necessary rep and quest chain to fight Anzu, getting the Feat of Strength for the Druid’s Swift Flight Form, and I’m now following in the long line of Druids trying to score the [Reins of the Raven Lord](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32768). Lastly, I finally got over that evil mithril/thorium hump in Blacksmithing, and getting from 300 to 350 should be cake now that I can fly around looking for ore. So…much…money gone into the profession… ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9474 "2010-02-22T16:06:39Z")
Grats to everyone on your new titles, achievements, and dings! Holy crap, healing is really a whole different ballgame from anything else. I healed my first real five-man (as opposed to four-manning stuff we over-leveled with some friends) on my early-50s Disc Priest this weekend. It almost feels like playing some weird minigame, staring at Grid and using mouseover macros with keybound abilities to keep everyone topped off. I gotta say, it gives me a whole new appreciation for the frustations I must sometimes cause my healers, e.g. by running out of LOS. 😃 > [@Skammer](#): > > I do have a 78 Rogue who is an herbalist - I haven’t played her in six months except to unlock some boxes. I don’t remember her getting a lot of Crystallized Life, though. The best way for me was farming those Mature Thrashers in WG; I could get a couple of Eternals in 20-30 minutes. The best drop rate is \*definitely \*off the Mature Thrashers–it’s just a problem of them sometimes being over-farmed, since the elementals in that area are, AFAIK, the only place for a non-Herbalism to get Crystallized Life. Not to mention, they’re only visible if you have control of the zone–otherwise, you’re stuck with the other plant elementals, which drop it at a much lower rate. IIRC, any Northrend herb has a chance to drop Crystallized Life. You’ll probably get better drop rates off the higher-end herbs, so Sholazar Basin, The Stormpeaks, and Icecrown are probably your best bets. The biggest bonus to gathering Life by herbing instead of farming elementals is that it also gets you the herbs, which will be worth a much better stack of money than the vendor trash that’s pretty much all you’ll get off the elementals. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > DEAD-ON! APPLY DIRECTLY TO UNDEAD! :smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: I hate you forever. 😃 > [@Bosstone](#): > > I finally pulled together the necessary rep and quest chain to fight Anzu, getting the Feat of Strength for the Druid’s Swift Flight Form, and I’m now following in the long line of Druids trying to score the [Reins of the Raven Lord](http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32768). Woooooo! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9475 "2010-02-22T16:12:02Z")
I started over an orc DK named Khokhrah over on Garrosh, on the Daily Kos guild “Wreck List”, last week. I’ve been playing DK Catch-Up on tradeskills before I start leveling. I’m up to 225 (and Artisan) in Skinning, 194 in Mining, and 225 (and Artisan) in Fishing. And in the process, got about 1/4 of the Old World exploration achievements done. I want to get Explorer before they blow it all up with Cat. I’m also resolutely ignoring Lunar Festival and (until Sunday) LIITA for now. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9476 "2010-02-22T16:21:41Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > The best drop rate is \*definitely \*off the Mature Thrashers–it’s just a problem of them sometimes being over-farmed, since the elementals in that area are, AFAIK, the only place for a non-Herbalism to get Crystallized Life. Nah, the walking flowers in Sholazar Basin also drop Crys Life. I used to slaughter them while I was doing Oracles dailies. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9477 "2010-02-22T18:09:59Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Holy crap, healing is really a whole different ballgame from anything else. I healed my first real five-man (as opposed to four-manning stuff we over-leveled with some friends) on my early-50s Disc Priest this weekend. It almost feels like playing some weird minigame, staring at Grid and using mouseover macros with keybound abilities to keep everyone topped off. I gotta say, it gives me a whole new appreciation for the frustations I must sometimes cause my healers, e.g. by running out of LOS. 😃 It’s like playing Whack-A-Mole. I have my Grid set up to show health as the vertical “fill” on the squares, so someone who’s losing health will have a lower and lower “level” on their square, and my WoW healer experience is filling squares with different click combinations and hoping I don’t run out of that blue water (mana) before I get a chance to pause and drink up. I’ve started to become severely annoyed with the style of tank who thinks that a random dungeon is a race. Good tanks should check their healer’s mana, and wait without asking if that healer is around 2/3 to 1/2 mana (depending on the healer’s behavior as to what is “acceptable” for mana level). Even not healing up the tank to full at the end of combat is not always enough; I had one tank run off to another caster group in Heroic Forge of Souls (which are absolutely brutal for healing) when he was half health and I was under half mana. I even left one group without a word last night after the first boss in Heroic Utgarde Pinnacle. The DPS and tanks all seemed to be in a rush to kill everything, damn the amount of health lost in the process, ignore the healer’s mana bar, and would just dogpile groups and take lots of damage in total. Forget assisting, aggro watching, etc. We get to Prince Keleseth and the hunter is doing so much damage that he gets beat the hell down (no misdirect, no FD), and everyone ignores me when the skeletons come out and disrupt my heals while I’m trying to pop Fade and PW:Shield. They’re just so focused on killing the boss that the priest doesn’t matter. After the boss went down, I popped a few heals and disbanded from the group in disgust. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9478 "2010-02-22T19:44:27Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > It’s like playing Whack-A-Mole. I have my Grid set up to show health as the vertical “fill” on the squares, so someone who’s losing health will have a lower and lower “level” on their square, and my WoW healer experience is filling squares with different click combinations and hoping I don’t run out of that blue water (mana) before I get a chance to pause and drink up. I have my Grid set up so that the boxes kind of mimic portraits–they fill horizontally, with the resource bar (Mana/Rage/Energy/Runic Power) across the bottom. People with PW:S on them get a yellow border around the box; people with aggro have their health bar turn red; the upper corners are respectively incoming HOTs and incoming heals. I need to do some more tweaking, still–e.g., add a new border color for people with Weakened Soul so I can see who would need a heal instead of a new bubble. But it’s working pretty well, so far. > [@](#): > > I’ve started to become severely annoyed with the style of tank who thinks that a random dungeon is a race. I tend to move pretty quickly–but I \*also \*keep an eye on healer mana. I won’t always stop for DPS (they can catch up), but I will at least ask the healer if they’re good to go if they’re getting low, or I’ll stop and say in party chat that I’m waiting for healer mana. (Most of the time, the healer wants me to just keep going–in fact, some of the rudest/pushiest “go go go” types I’ve ever encountered have been healers.) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9479 "2010-02-22T19:47:56Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I have my Grid set up so that the boxes kind of mimic portraits–they fill horizontally, with the resource bar (Mana/Rage/Energy/Runic Power) across the bottom. People with PW:S on them get a yellow border around the box; people with aggro have their health bar turn red; the upper corners are respectively incoming HOTs and incoming heals. I need to do some more tweaking, still–e.g., add a new border color for people with Weakened Soul so I can see who would need a heal instead of a new bubble. But it’s working pretty well, so far. > > I tend to move pretty quickly–but I \*also \*keep an eye on healer mana. I won’t always stop for DPS (they can catch up), but I will at least ask the healer if they’re good to go if they’re getting low, or I’ll stop and say in party chat that I’m waiting for healer mana. (Most of the time, the healer wants me to just keep going–in fact, some of the rudest/pushiest “go go go” types I’ve ever encountered have been healers.) Is this the shortest **SFG** post in the entire thread? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/9480 "2010-02-22T19:50:18Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Is this the shortest **SFG** post in the entire thread? If it was, which I doubt–not anymore! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=473) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=475)