# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 504
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10061 "2010-03-19T15:48:47Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Yup, I knew \*you \*knew that. Like I said, \*really \*splitting a hair. A \*very \*tiny one. šŸ˜ƒ youā€™re doing _what_ now with jayjayā€™s short hairs? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10062 "2010-03-19T15:56:28Z")
:o ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10063 "2010-03-19T16:42:38Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Oohā€¦the Teething Baby debuff\*! Thatā€™s gotta hurt. Thatā€™s not one you can get the lock to decurse, eitherā€¦ > \*Itā€™s apparently caused by gaining Wife Aggro. If you can manage to stealth your way through Phase 1 of the fight, you might manage to avoid it. šŸ˜ƒ heh nothing works, you know when youā€™re in trouble when your pally bubble is useless. ---
**Author:** ![Lips\_Obsession](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@Lips\_Obsession](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lips_Obsession)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10064 "2010-03-19T17:28:11Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > I entered LK at 68, so thatā€™s right, **Wanderer** , but as fast as youā€™re levelling, Iā€™d watch out for ā€œsaleā€ prices coming up. I too bought all expansions at the same timeā€¦ I watched for sales on LK for about a month and never saw any at any of the typical online sellers. Eventually saved a few dollars buying a key off eBay that was guaranteed unusedā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10065 "2010-03-20T04:38:43Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > I have a question about how other peopleā€™s guilds handle raid progression. > > To preface, our guild has 7 bosses in ICC25 on farm. The first four, rotface, festergut and blood princes. Beyond that our activity on other non farm bosses seems willy nilly. > > What I mean is weā€™ve been working on Putricide (once), the dragon we need to heal (two or three times) and now they want to work on blood queen. It seems like weā€™re getting pulled in lots of different directions and need to be on top of strats for a bunch of bosses because we never know what weā€™re going to be working on. > > I kinda understand not beating our heads on one boss for too many nights in a row, but I raided in vanilla wow and BC and when you wanted to progress, you worked on a boss until you got it down, then moved onto the next boss. So Iā€™m used to that and perfectly willing to wipe on a boss all night long if I have to. > > Iā€™m relatively new to this guild, so Iā€™m not planning on saying anything or offering any advice or feedback on it. Iā€™m just wondering how other guilds deal with progression bosses. > > Oh, one other tidbit. FWIW, this guild has never killed Yogg on 25s, nor have they cleared hard mode ulduar, so I suspect they have a history of not knuckling down and working on really hard content. Honestly, my suggestion would be to gauge exactly what you want out of your guild. If you want more serious progression, youā€™re going to have to devote more time to raiding (6 hours a week is rather ā€œcasualā€), and it does seem that the guild youā€™re in is not willing to put in the time in and out of game to push content. If thatā€™s what you want, I suggest looking for guilds that have more limited days/hours required. For example, my guild raids 3 days a week for 4 hours a day, but only 2 days are required (though, if you want consistent raid spots, you should show up for all 3 days). Weā€™ve killed LK on 25, have killed 3/12 HMs (lag kept us from a few others), and are 10/12 HMs in 10-man (weā€™ll kill Sindragosa on Sunday, leaving the insane fight that is LK HM). I joined the guild because they were serious about raiding, but understood RL commitments. So, see what you can find; there are guilds for everyone. As far as how different guilds handle progression, itā€™s all about preparation, IMO. If youā€™re raiding limited hours (like my guild), the preparation is what separates progress from stagnation. We use forums extensively to hammer out strategies, theorycraft, etc. in order to maximize our raid time for killing big monsters, and it works well. However, you obviously also need to spend the time playing. Progression in 10-man is a huge stepping stone for progression in 25. Learning the mechanics on a smaller scale allows for a much clearer understanding of the requirements once you step up to 25. YouTube has plenty of videos of Normal and Heroic kills, and TankSpot has quite a few up-to-date strategies for both as well. Again, efficiency is key. Beating your head against a wall is only going to go so far. Sometimes, you do need to clear your head and come back, or just take a break for 5-10 minutes to re-focus. For instance, on our first LK 25-man kill, we had great attempts early in the night, but then started backsliding. We took a break, had a talk over Vent about what we needed to do better and to commit to re-focus, and we got him down a few attempts later. However, I do not recommend bouncing around your focus from boss to boss. It can be hard to keep all the different abilities that will kill you in your head for multiple bosses at a time as you learn them. It is (again, all my opinion), much easier to sit on one boss and learn the mechanics clearly. Then, it becomes all about execution, as opposed to learning a whole other set of abilities. YMMV. > [@Jas09](#): > > My current guild focuses on a boss until we kill it. We worked on Putricide for 4 weeks or so (without even looking at the Blood Princes even though we knew we could kill it) until we got it down. Like **SFG** the key was to keep making progress, and to be honest remove or replace players that just werenā€™t getting it. We finally got everyone on the same page and got it down. And, of course, 2-shotted the princes right afterwards. Now, we will work on Blood Queen until we kill her before moving onto Dreamwalker. > > Some will say this is bad because it reduces the number of badges/loot we get, which is true. But focusing on a ā€œhardā€ boss makes your players better, and helps highlight areas of improvement. Farming easy bosses just means that when you hit the hard ones (like your Yogg-25 example) you donā€™t have the tools to get it done. > > Just one opinion, of course. Coming from a very casual progression raiding guild - only six raid hours per week. Not sure we can kill the LK in that amount of time, but weā€™ll have fun trying! šŸ†’ Thatā€™s a very different approach than I am used to, but if it works for your guild, thatā€™s great. Usually, guilds Iā€™ve been in have preferred to kill bosses that it can, particularly for the upgrades they provide and just the general well-being of the morale of a raid (which is a huge factor). Sure, there are fights where you have to brute force it to some degree, but if you can get upgrades to help make those fights easier elsewhere, I donā€™t see a reason to skip them in order to learn a fight. But, you got Putricide down, which is one of the hardest fights in the instance (second only to LK, IMO), so congratulations are in order. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Woo! I got into an amazing ICC10 PUG last night. A great group of peopleā€“skilled \*and \*fun. We ripped right through the early bosses, and even one-shot Rotface. We got one attempt in on Putricide before a couple of people had to go, but weā€™re planning to come back together on Monday to polish off another few bosses. > > Whatā€™s also nifty is that only two bosses in, I got a ginvite from the raid leader, and then from the GM of his guild. Iā€™m still not sure I want to stay on this lag-from-hell server, and their progression is less than Iā€™d like in 25s (it seems to mainly be an issue with them getting enough people online, though), but itā€™s at least good PUG potential. > > Also awesome: I finally hit Exalted with the Ashen Verdict (woooo, upgraded ring!) and picked up the Bonebreaker Scepter off Marrowgarā€“so nice to finally get rid of that Burnished QS off of Ony. The damn thing was way too slow for a Prot War. The new mace was even an upgrade for my other tanking weapon, Titanguard, so I was able to add it to all my tanking sets across the board and free up a bag slot. Cheers, **SFG**! Glad to hear youā€™re still raiding successfully. Good PUGs can definitely be hard to find. I had a terrible experience on my alt Disc Priest in an ICC-10 PUG, where quite a few people didnā€™t know the encounters and responded poorly to suggestions made from the person with the lowest GS (oh, how I hate that stupid add-on). Those upgrades are very nice, especially the i277 ring. Though, my guild is currently recruiting people to replace some that RL hit, so keep us in mind! ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10066 "2010-03-20T06:47:48Z")
Ding on 45. been playing 3 days 20 hours. Thats almost 4 days solid with this char! I bet some of you guys can put that to shame right quick! Plate situation is much better now. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10067 "2010-03-20T07:01:22Z")
dammit 46 I meant ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10068 "2010-03-20T18:24:14Z")
Question: You know when **Wolkie** sits down to eat? Well sometimes the health regenerates to 100% before those untensils disappear. Does he need to stay seated until they go away? Observation: We love helping those militia guys! I know theyā€™re NPCā€™s and run to the next enemy when weā€™re done, but it makes us feel like weā€™re part of the team, and itā€™s better than trying to help a RPC when they may not want you to. And we be rockinā€™! We be **rockinā€™!** šŸ˜‰ Thanks! Q ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10069 "2010-03-20T18:30:23Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Question: > > You know when **Wolkie** sits down to eat? > > Well sometimes the health regenerates to 100% before those untensils disappear. Does he need to stay seated until they go away? > > Observation: We love helping those militia guys! I know theyā€™re NPCā€™s and run to the next enemy when weā€™re done, but it makes us feel like weā€™re part of the team, and itā€™s better than trying to help a RPC when they may not want you to. > > And we be rockinā€™! We be **rockinā€™!** šŸ˜‰ > > Thanks! > > Q No, you donā€™t have to wait until the utensils go away for you to finish eating. As soon as you like, you can get back up and start fighting the good fight. Glad to hear youā€™re enjoying Northrend! I canā€™t wait to hear your reaction to the Wrathgate questline (in Dragonblight, the zone after your starting Howling Fjord/Borean Tundra). Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10070 "2010-03-20T19:41:53Z")
Just moved on to Searing Gorge. New area for me to wander around tomorrow! ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10071 "2010-03-20T20:13:10Z")
ā€¦ she of the huge bazongas stickinā€™ out.šŸ˜‰ Caught him kneelinā€™, but no kisses blown, so I guess heā€™s a ā€œStand By Woman Manā€ for his Heather and sheā€™s gonnaā€¦ [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DwBirf4BWew/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-AoACoAKKAgwIABABGGUgWyhLMA8=&rs=AOn4CLBkr7FKn6fSlMltcusioHk6qctW6w "tammy wynette stand by your man") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew) Yā€™all didnā€™t blow chunks, didja?šŸ˜ƒ I wish someone would do a video of Heather singing this for her **Wolkie**. Even if just for a laff! Thanks and hope I made yā€™all smile a little! Quasā€™ ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10072 "2010-03-20T20:52:53Z")
ā€¦ is offering me a gryphon. WTF? We canā€™t fly yet, right? Also, whatā€™s up with this ā€œEngulfed By The Mistā€ BS? I went south from NR to plant the explosives and ran into some of those guys and they got me stuck at 23% health, and the only way I could get out of it was to hearth our ass outta there. I mean, Iā€™d STILL be there at 23% if I hadnā€™t done that, because there was no way to un-spell it. Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10073 "2010-03-20T21:37:01Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > ā€¦ is offering me a gryphon. WTF? We canā€™t fly yet, right? > > Also, whatā€™s up with this ā€œEngulfed By The Mistā€ BS? > > I went south from NR to plant the explosives and ran into some of those guys and they got me stuck at 23% health, and the only way I could get out of it was to hearth our ass outta there. I mean, Iā€™d STILL be there at 23% if I hadnā€™t done that, because there was no way to un-spell it. > > Thanks > > Q Heā€™s offering to teach you epic flying, which youā€™re eligible to learn at lvl 70. You probably canā€™t afford it yet, though. Itā€™s 5000 gold. You can delete it, just remember that when you DO have 5000g, you can go learn the fast flying. The mist thing is part of a set of quests you get on the south coast of Borean Tundra. The sea giants on the beach hide behind the mist. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10074 "2010-03-20T23:10:59Z")
Donā€™t know what Iā€™d do without you, _jayjay_ and **ALL** my kiddos helping me get to 80! **SFG** , you ROCK, baby-girl! My **a** without whom Iā€™d probably be on Peachtree Street right now, asking for 10 cents so I could log on **Wolkie** for a few!šŸ˜‰ Thanks for helping an old man try to live his dreams! Chivarly **ROCKS** , Dude! It surely does. Bill ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10075 "2010-03-21T03:03:34Z")
_ahem_ ? šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10076 "2010-03-21T03:06:47Z")
Threadā€™s been pretty dead all day, **Quasi** , donā€™t know what to tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10077 "2010-03-21T03:25:05Z")
's okay, **D**! Just having a good time, so I guess everybody else is, too! šŸ™‚ Q ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10078 "2010-03-21T04:23:57Z")
Like yā€™all said, Iā€™ve been not letting the Spirit rezz me, but then, when we **do** find the corpse, thereā€™s a facsimilie of this guy: > **[Jack LaLanne, 93, still spreads gospel of exercise](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0716528320070319)** > > Jack LaLanne, who became a fitness guru to a generation of American housewives, still works out two hours a day and stays away from white flour and sugar -- even at the age of 93. So when we surface, that ugly guy and his buddies are ready to kick ass! So whatā€™s a _mutha_ to **do**??? šŸ˜‰ PS: I want yā€™all to create a section called: ā€œHe Asks The Questions Youā€™re Afraid To Askā€ within this thread! Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10079 "2010-03-21T04:34:07Z")
5 K to fly in NRā€¦ Nah!šŸ™‚ Weā€™ll do it the **hard** way. In short, [Dana Carveyā€™s George Bush] "Nah ga dewt! Wouldnā€™t be _prudā€™nt_!" [/DCGB]šŸ˜‰ Thanks, Q ---
**Author:** ![HenryGale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b782af/32.png) [@HenryGale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HenryGale)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/10080 "2010-03-21T05:41:26Z")
Hey all. When last we met, far upthread, I had returned to Wow after a 2+ year absence, having finally convinced my wife to give it a try (just try it, youā€™ll like it. First 30 days are free. All the cool kids are doing it) So, we set out, me with my rogue, and she with her druid (both of us of the purple NE persuasion becauseā€¦ ā€œlook honey! We can be pretty blue elf thingies! Pretend youā€™re a Naā€™vi.ā€) Flash forward to today, where we have both dinged 45 and are currently questing Tanaris. Allā€™s well. I get to game whenever I want because now my wife actually asks ME if I want to play. "Well sure, honey, I guess soā€¦ " So, everything is as it should be, right? Yes. Exceptā€¦ Except sheā€™s sorta kicking my ass. Iā€™m playing an assasin build and sheā€™s boomkin, just got her moonkin form a few levels ago. Iā€™m tracking our damage with Recount, and we were pretty much 50/50 until a few levels ago. But now, I canā€™t keep up! My non-gamer wife is averaging about 60-65% of the damage, anywhere from 30-50 DPS higher than me, and boy is she loving it. šŸ™‚ Be my secret weapon, guys. Iā€™d rather not go combat build, but I just tweaked my talents, and spent about 150g buying a sword, teaching myself to open with daggers for Ambush and then switching to a sword in my main, but I didnā€™t gain much ground. Are we rogues just not the damage dealers weā€™re made out to be (at this level maybe?) or have I somehow nerfed myself? Iā€™m on armory here: [World of Warcraft](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Fizzcrank&cn=Odamon) thx in advance! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=503) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=505)