# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 555
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11082 "2010-04-30T00:47:05Z")
OMG! What a great group I just got through the RDF! 2nd day in a row I got H:HoR as my first heroic of the day, and we finished it _without a single death_! That was really, really nice getting out of there with only a 2g repair bill 😃 I did make one bonehead move, though — while fleeing the Lich King, I got a bit too far ahead of the group and ended up on the wrong side (for a certain definition of “wrong” in that situation) of an ice wall, leaving the other four to battle the trash without me :smack: Fortunately, it was the very first wall, and the easiest group of trash, and they handled it. Loot at the end … I rolled Greed on a nice purple tank helm (trying to put together a tanking set, to eventually try my hand at that), but lost; rolled DE on a nice DPS ring. I wavered on that one, though. Technically, it would have been something of an upgrade on my Ring of the Kirin Tor, but that upgrade would only last until the next time I upgrade the Ring of the Kirin Tor, from its current “Etched” (iLvl 226) to whatever comes next (iLvl 251), which should be soon. My other ring is iLvl 245, so I went with DE on the ring that dropped. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11083 "2010-04-30T03:16:34Z")
[School of Hard Knocks](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=1786) approaches… ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11084 "2010-04-30T03:32:04Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > [School of Hard Knocks](http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=1786) approaches… Auugghh, I did that but _hated_ it. How often do you suppose healers get to return flags in Warsong Gulch? But it’s not impossible, eventually. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11085 "2010-04-30T08:19:07Z")
ding on 60! Wooo now I can fly! ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11086 "2010-04-30T12:35:59Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > ding on 60! Wooo now I can fly! Grats, isn’t it liberating? Do those two man rockets fail sometimes? I had a pair of undead show theirs off near me in Terrokar. they flew up out of my eye line and seconds later plummeted from the sky without the rocket to splat on the ground. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11087 "2010-04-30T12:36:59Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Auugghh, I did that but _hated_ it. How often do you suppose healers get to return flags in Warsong Gulch? But it’s not impossible, eventually. It’s ok as a healer if you can wear plate you know… ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11088 "2010-04-30T13:21:05Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Do those two man rockets fail sometimes? I had a pair of undead show theirs off near me in Terrokar. they flew up out of my eye line and seconds later plummeted from the sky without the rocket to splat on the ground. No more than any other mount. They likely dismounted. If it was just one of the players, I’d say that the mount’s controller ejected them; since it’s the very first flying mount that allows more than one person to ride, people are goofing off with dumping their passengers from the flight ceiling. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11089 "2010-04-30T13:35:15Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Auugghh, I did that but _hated_ it. How often do you suppose healers get to return flags in Warsong Gulch? But it’s not impossible, eventually. If only you had a shadow spec with 2 different snare-breaking abilities… ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11090 "2010-04-30T13:45:43Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > If only you had a shadow spec with 2 different snare-breaking abilities… Dispersion, and… what’s the other one? I probably did have a Shadow spec at the time, I just never thought to use it. Honestly returning the flag in WG is difficult for any ranged classes, because you’re not likely to be next to the flag carrier when it drops. But like a lot of the PVP achievements, you can do it if you focus on the achievement and not the objective of the battle. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11091 "2010-04-30T13:46:04Z")
Nah, disc spec. Ridiculous damage reduction and shields. You don’t need to use fade or dispersion because you drank a free action potion. Druids, shaman, and priests are the best runners by a mile. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11092 "2010-04-30T13:48:39Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Dispersion, and… what’s the other one? Fade, if you have it talented. Also, I guess I misread - I thought you meant “carrying the flag” not “returning the flag”. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11093 "2010-04-30T13:51:46Z")
I see how that would be convenient 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11094 "2010-04-30T14:23:41Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > I disagree with this, I do have to hit Mend Pet on occasion – not all healers will drop a heal on my pet since they’re at the very end of the heal priority list if at all. If the pet still drops faster than the mends are ticking, I’ll call them back so they get a breather before sending them back in. > > Definitely make sure that Growl is off, and turn off Thunderclap (iirc all tenacity pets now have Tclap) as well – both will pull aggro off the tank. > > IMO, I’d drop the Glyph of Mending for Glyph of the Hawk as this will increase your dps. The minor Mend Pet is excellent to have though, cuts down on the FEED ME NAO faces. Thanks, **lizardling** and everyone above, for the advice. Unfortunately, U-Verse issues prevented me from getting on last night to try out. Hopefully tonight. I did forget to turn growl off, and although the tank was having no trouble keeping aggro, that’s making me miss out on some claws/swipes. I have cut down on the number of mend pets I throw out soloing after I noticed how fast out of combat regen is on pets. I’ll head over to the AH and pick up a Glyph of the Hawk. I think I get another Major glyph at 30… any thoughts? It seems to me like multishot would be pretty good, as I really don’t have all that many buttons to press. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11095 "2010-04-30T14:32:39Z")
You can also do a premade with a group of friends, and take turns returning the flag. If you’re lucky, you’ll even end up with a group of opponents who’ll cooperate. (Works better for flag capping in AV, but even still.) ETA: That was @ **Skammer**. Ugh, must be a Friday morning where I’m half paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11096 "2010-04-30T14:35:24Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Druids, shaman, and priests are the best runners by a mile. This is why I love Druids. They do _everything_ awesome. > [@hdc\_bst](#): > > I did forget to turn growl off, and although the tank was having no trouble keeping aggro, that’s making me miss out on some claws/swipes. Here’s a simple macro you can try so you never have to think about Growl again: ```auto #showtooltip /cast Hunter's Mark /petautocaston [nogroup] Growl /petautocastoff [group] Growl ``` When you make the macro, replace the Hunter’s Mark button in your action bar with it. Then, every time you throw a Hunter’s Mark down (or whatever action you feel most comfortable binding this to) when you’re in a group, it’ll force Growl off. When you’re not in a group, it’ll force Growl on. It really only matters the first time you use it after joining or leaving a group, but this way you never have to think about it. The only exception is if, for whatever insane reason, you’re expected to tank in a group (usually for impromptu non-instanced quest groups where you’re the only damage soaker). On my last hunter I had a second macro that switched the [group] and [nogroup] conditionals, and just swapped them out of the action bar as needed. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11097 "2010-04-30T14:43:42Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Loot at the end … I rolled Greed on a nice purple tank helm (trying to put together a tanking set, to eventually try my hand at that), but lost; rolled DE on a nice DPS ring. If nobody else was going to use it (all DE and Greed selections) then you should roll need. Nobody will care (what does it sell for, a few gold?) and you will get an upgrade/sidegrade. Just one man’s (and a hunter at that!) opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11098 "2010-04-30T16:03:24Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > Always get the highest tier talent available. So put 5 in tier 1 and then get a tier 2. That’s not always 100% accurate. Sometimes, a lower-tier talent will be better than a higher-tier one. Some of those middle ranges especially are just filler–I’m pretty sure there’s at least one tier of talents in the Prot tree that I’ve skipped completely on Sleu. But it will work that way a lot, and you’re definitely right about focusing on one tree, especially to try to hit your 51-point talent ASAP before spreading points around to other trees, unless there’s something ridiculously powerful in, say, the first tier of one of them. > [@Bosstone](#): > > Here’s a simple macro you can try so you never have to think about Growl again: > > ```auto > > #showtooltip > /cast Hunter's Mark > /petautocaston [nogroup] Growl > /petautocastoff [group] Growl > > ``` > > When you make the macro, replace the Hunter’s Mark button in your action bar with it. [snip] The only exception is if, for whatever insane reason, you’re expected to tank in a group (usually for impromptu non-instanced quest groups where you’re the only damage soaker). On my last hunter I had a second macro that switched the [group] and [nogroup] conditionals, and just swapped them out of the action bar as needed. You might be able to just modify the macro like this: ```auto #showtooltip /cast Hunter's Mark /petautocaston [nogroup] Growl /petautocastoff [group] Growl /stopmacro [nomodifier] /petautocaston Growl ``` Then, if you’re in a situation where you definitely want Growl on, just hold down any modifier key (shift, ctrl, or alt) when you click or type the button the macro is bound to, and it will run the last line. If there’s no modifier key, it will stop before the last line of code. I can’t double-check the syntax from here, tho, so someone else might want to, just to make sure it works as intended. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11099 "2010-04-30T16:04:39Z")
Now I have my Top Prot talent filled, what do I spend future points on? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11100 "2010-04-30T16:10:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > You might be able to just modify the macro like this: > > ```auto > > #showtooltip > /cast Hunter's Mark > /petautocaston [nogroup] Growl > /petautocastoff [group] Growl > /stopmacro [nomodifier] > /petautocaston Growl > > ``` > > Then, if you’re in a situation where you definitely want Growl on, just hold down any modifier key (shift, ctrl, or alt) when you click or type the button the macro is bound to, and it will run the last line. If there’s no modifier key, it will stop before the last line of code. I can’t double-check the syntax from here, tho, so someone else might want to, just to make sure it works as intended. The only problem with that I can see offhand is that means every time you throw a Hunter’s Mark while you’re tanking for a group, you have to remember to include the modifier key or you’ll lose Growl. If you’re okay with that, you can do a slightly simpler macro: ```auto #showtooltip /cast Hunter's Mark /petautocaston [nomod] [nogroup] Growl /petautocastoff [nomod] [group] Growl /petautocaston [mod] Growl ``` If you don’t include a modifier key, it’ll use the group conditionals to determine what to do. If you do include one, it’ll ignore those lines. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11101 "2010-04-30T16:13:17Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Now I have my Top Prot talent filled, what do I spend future points on? SFG will probably be in with some specific advice, but the general advice is to look at the Arms and Fury trees and see if there are any talents down in the third or fourth tiers (10 to 15 points required) that you’re interested in; if so, start building towards them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=554) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=556)