# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 569
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11362 "2010-05-13T18:51:12Z")
Don’t forget about Hand of Salvation, if you’re a Paladin or have one in the group. It’s great to help someone drop aggro when they’ve peeled an untauntable boss off the tank and don’t have their own threat dump to use. ---
**Author:** ![lizardling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f4b2a3/32.png) [@lizardling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lizardling)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11363 "2010-05-13T18:55:41Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I refuse to even toss them an Innervate when I’m Druiding it up, unless they’re the only ones short on mana and we’re going straight into a boss or difficult spawn where we need everyone at full strength right that second. If they know how to play their classes, they shouldn’t need Innervate, and if they don’t know, they won’t learn if I do give it to them. Speaking from the hunter perspective, I would be \*gobsmacked \*if anyone tried to Innervate me. Ever. As Guns said, we hunters have a lot of ways to re-mana. Aspect of the Viper, Viper Sting, water/food, or pots. Hell, I kind of look a little sideways at hunters who make the group stop so they can drink when the healer isn’t drinking. I’ll steal a few sips if the healer is drinking, but otherwise? Let’s go. I generally only get Wis/Arcane Brilliance in raids with multiple pallies/mages. And I’ve only ever had my priest Innervated once. In Maraudon. By a chicken. She’s now kicking it in Northrend. – You know what I love, though? Pulling the rocket boots + parachute trick when I’m at the lumber mill in Arathi Basin to go save the day at the blacksmith. _cackle_ I’m not sure they knew what hit them. Always gives me a thrill when I can prove that Engineering isn’t just a vanity profession. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11364 "2010-05-13T19:02:30Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Don’t forget about Hand of Salvation, if you’re a Paladin or have one in the group. It’s great to help someone drop aggro when they’ve peeled an untauntable boss off the tank and don’t have their own threat dump to use. Oh yeah, I have that bound to my right mouse button because I use it so often. But on this particular fight the aggro bounced around a bit so it was on cooldown. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11365 "2010-05-13T19:03:41Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Don’t forget about Hand of Salvation, if you’re a Paladin or have one in the group. It’s great to help someone drop aggro when they’ve peeled an untauntable boss off the tank and don’t have their own threat dump to use. I’m a bad, bad dps pally; I sometimes help keep the tank alive with lay-on-hands and holy lights (or whatever the big heal is called), but I don’t know that I’ve ever used a Hand spell. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11366 "2010-05-13T19:11:00Z")
> [@lizardling](#): > > Speaking from the hunter perspective, I would be \*gobsmacked \*if anyone tried to Innervate me. Ever. Yes, but you aren’t (I presume) an idiot. 🙂 I watch mana bars as a matter of course, especially when healing, and more than a few huntards will just let their mana bottom out and don’t seem to understand how to bring it back up. I imagine these people are silently cursing the group for not giving them a chance to drink. As for Hands, I really ought to give them a closer look. I’ll probably select out the three most likely to be used and bind them to mousewheel-click, shift-wheel-click, and ctrl-wheel-click. I don’t often make use of the mousewheel in Clique because it’s less accessible than left and right, but that should be perfect for situational spells like the Hands. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11367 "2010-05-13T19:17:51Z")
> [@winterhawk11](#): > > Every mage I know (including mine) much prefers Kings over Wisdom. You’ll never go wrong giving a mage Kings–even mana-hog Arcane mages like me have ways to get mana back (Evocate, mana gems, etc). If we expect to have severe mana issues and want Wisdom, we’ll request it. > > Also, if you’ve got a shaman in the party, be sure to coordinate with them because one of their totems overwrites Wisdom (or the other way around) so don’t duplicate your efforts. > [@Bosstone](#): > > Yeah, Wisdom, especially in LK, seems to be more the exception rather than the rule. Decently-geared chars have very few mana issues, and if they do it’ll be quickly obvious. > > That happened once or twice on my boomkin, I think it was. We were running Auchindoun instances and I found I drained mana faster than Innervate could refresh. So the Pally I was running with put me on Wisdom and that fixed the issue. Ok, then…Kings on everyone except Might on Rogues, Hunters and pets. If there are two pallies in a group then Kings on Rogues, Hunters (and pets?), and Might on everyone else and wait for someone to speak up if they want Wisdom instead. That would be a better way to go? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11368 "2010-05-13T19:21:16Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > If there are two pallies in a group then Kings on Rogues, Hunters (and pets?), and Might on everyone else and wait for someone to speak up if they want Wisdom instead. That would be a better way to go? If there are two Pallies, one should do Kings, and the other should split Might/Wisdom depending on the class and spec: all physical DPS and tanks should get Might (including Hunters and Enh Shamans) and all casters and healers should get Wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11369 "2010-05-13T19:21:23Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Ok, then…Kings on everyone except Might on Rogues, Hunters and pets. If there are two pallies in a group then Kings on Rogues, Hunters (and pets?), and Might on everyone else and wait for someone to speak up if they want Wisdom instead. That would be a better way to go? If there are two (non-tank) pallies in a group, one should just do kings all round and the other should do wisdom to the casters and might to the melee and hunters. ETA: doh, ninja’d by SFG. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11370 "2010-05-13T19:26:39Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > _seethe_ > > Nothing like using up all your gems and several Titanium Bars only to have the very last crafting fail to give a skillup. I’m now sitting at 449 JC. :smack: Oh well. The Icy Prism cooldown tomorrow will push me over. Now I just need to start collecting designs as fast as I can and start making some friggin’ money off this. > > On the upside, when I mentioned my crap gear and linked my [ilvl 166 chest piece](http://www.wowhead.com/item=44058) to gchat, a guildie immediately told me that if I could get the Crusader Orbs, she’d supply the rest of the mats to make [Titanium Razorplate](http://www.wowhead.com/item=47589) and [Titanium Spikeguards](http://www.wowhead.com/item=47572). The Crusader Orbs cost 1400 gold off the AH, but those two pieces, crafted, sell for about 5000 gold total, so it’s a hell of a win. Now all I need is a better libram and all my gear will be 200 or better for Retribution, and I just need another 4k honor for that. You can also [purchase those Crusader Orbs with Triumph Badges](http://www.wowhead.com/item=47556#sold-by) if you have already stockpiled them (I’m up to 400+ Triumph Badges so far) and don’t have to spend the gold. On further review, I can make about 3 Titanium Razorplates with all the mats I have ATM! Hmmmmm…Cha-Ching! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11371 "2010-05-13T19:45:33Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > You can also [purchase those Crusader Orbs with Triumph Badges](http://www.wowhead.com/item=47556#sold-by) if you have already stockpiled them (I’m up to 400+ Triumph Badges so far) and don’t have to spend the gold. Ahahahahahayeah. 😛 I’m still gearing up from 200 in my main spec and plan to gear up my offspec too; those Triumph badges will be very valuable to me for quite some time. I’ll leave it to the raiders who are only running heroics for the daily Frosts to buy up Crusader Orbs and put them on the AH. That said, I did buy one Orb with badges, and bought the rest. Kept me from bottoming out on gold. I’m going to need more Orbs to get Holy gear made, so that’s more money spent in the future. But 1400-1500 gold is a pittance to get a couple 245 pieces made. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11372 "2010-05-13T20:16:45Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > You can also [purchase those Crusader Orbs with Triumph Badges](http://www.wowhead.com/item=47556#sold-by) if you have already stockpiled them (I’m up to 400+ Triumph Badges so far) and don’t have to spend the gold. I just recently spent 200 Triumphs on my [Wooly Mammoth](http://www.wowhead.com/item=44231). I’m trying to catch up to you in achievements! ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11373 "2010-05-13T20:30:05Z")
Another [guy](http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40160) I just discovered last week that helps me convert Frozen Orbs into Eternal Fires. Woot! You’ll never catch me **Skammer**! Ahahahahahaaaahahaaaahahaa! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11374 "2010-05-13T20:33:39Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Another [guy](http://www.wowhead.com/npc=40160) I just discovered last week that helps me convert Frozen Orbs into Eternal Fires. Woot! > > You’ll never catch me **Skammer**! Ahahahahahaaaahahaaaahahaa! Oh! I’ve been meaning to get that new Flying Carpet pattern! Thanks for the reminder. I should start acquiring some more Crusader Orbs, too, if I ever want those crafted boots. I have a couple of stacks of Frozen Orbs! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11375 "2010-05-13T20:52:23Z")
Not boots. Ignore that part. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11376 "2010-05-13T21:09:30Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I’ll leave it to the raiders who are only running heroics for the daily Frosts to buy up Crusader Orbs and put them on the AH. The sentence was oddly phrased, so just in case anyone’s confused: Crusader Orbs are purchased with Triumph badges (which someone running Heroics only for the Frost badges would have a lot of, needing none of the gear). The high-end combine material purchased with Emblems of Frost is Primordial Saronite. > [@Skammer](#): > > I just recently spent 200 Triumphs on my [Wooly Mammoth](http://www.wowhead.com/item=44231). I’m trying to catch up to you in achievements! Jealous! I was going to get mine a week or two ago, and then I remembered I needed to pick up a few more Heirlooms for my Shammy (two one-handed maces, plus swapping the PvP shoulders for the PvE one). So now I need another, eh, 30 or 40 badges again. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11377 "2010-05-13T21:14:45Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > The sentence was oddly phrased, so just in case anyone’s confused: Crusader Orbs are purchased with Triumph badges (which someone running Heroics only for the Frost badges would have a lot of, needing none of the gear). The high-end combine material purchased with Emblems of Frost is Primordial Saronite. Thbbt. Not oddly phrased, just…implicatory. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11378 "2010-05-13T21:28:01Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Ok, then…Kings on everyone except Might on Rogues, Hunters and pets. If there are two pallies in a group then Kings on Rogues, Hunters (and pets?), and Might on everyone else and wait for someone to speak up if they want Wisdom instead. That would be a better way to go? If there is a dps warrior in the group, then no one needs might. If there is a shaman dropping mana totem, then no one needs wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11379 "2010-05-13T21:31:54Z")
> [@Clawdio](#): > > If there is a dps warrior in the group, then no one needs might. Not true. Might stays up for 10-30 minutes; if unglyphed, Battle Shout only lasts two minutes. If untalented, it only affects players in the immediate area of the Warrior. Generally, you’ll be better off having the Paladin buff Might while the Warrior, if they do anything, runs Commanding Shout. > [@](#): > > If there is a shaman dropping mana totem, then no one needs wisdom. They do cancel each other out, but generally, it’s preferable to just have the Shaman switch to another totem (like Healing Stream). The Paladin buff doesn’t require the person to be within the radius of the totem. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11380 "2010-05-13T21:53:22Z")
Since we’re talking Pally buffs… If I’m pally-healing with a pally-tank (in a 5-man), we normally use Devotion and Retribution auras. Does it matter who puts up which? Specifically will the damage caused by the Ret aura create threat for the pally who cast it, or for the player getting hit? ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11381 "2010-05-13T22:00:11Z")
Ret aura causes threat for the player who is hit, so it doesn’t matter who uses which aura. Does anyone know anything about soloing content? Like running old world stuff solo for mounts and DE materials… or maybe even newer content. What classes can do it? What’re the best reasons to do it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=568) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=570)