# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 588
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11742 "2010-05-27T14:57:06Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Hm. I have a Darkmoon Card: Illusion; should I pop that into the snowflake’s spot? > > Thanks for the spec notes. I do PvP, but mainly as a sideline - I don’t have any PvP gear and just basically spam heals in the battlegrounds; somehow I failed to notice for a long time that inner fire gave a spellpower bonus in addition to the armor so I didn’t talent it :smack:. I would suggest using the Illusion card over the Snowflake unless you have mana issues. IIRC, the Illusion card also has an on use ability that restores mana as well, so that should help. But yeah, if you don’t PvP seriously or just PvE more often than PvP, then I would make those spec changes as they will definitely boost your PvE abilities. > [@martu](#): > > I have a Power Aura for Infusion of Light only at the moment. Unlike when I was tanking (when I had power auras set up for all the 69696 abilities) it’s not like I’ll be using these abilities (say Divine Illumination) every time they are off cooldown or is that what you’re suggesting I do? Infusion of Light is the primary CD that I would put on Power Auras, but I also have a few to help remind me when things like Judgments of the Pure is not up or when my trinket is off CD so that I can Divine Plea safely. > [@](#): > > No Spell Power trinket no I’ll investigate that thanks, good idea. Trinkets are way down on my gear list though I have only looted a grand total of 54 Triumph and 22 Frost in the 3 and a bit months since I hit 80. Yeah, I mean, gear will come with time, but I definitely recommend picking up the [Talisman of Resurgence](http://www.wowhead.com/item=48724) as it’s on use will compensate for Divine Plea all by itself. Plus, the Intellect is just great for holy paladins. > [@](#): > > Entangling Roots has a cast time so by the time I have cast that they have come back with friends. The cave in Darkshore I mention has no where to pull anyone unfortunately. Yeah, I guess you just have to kill a few to open a space up and then keep dragging them back to kill them. Or, just skip that quest, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11743 "2010-05-27T14:58:47Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Hey, is there a way to look at your Ignore list? I should go back and see who it was. Did you do a real Ignore or a Report Spam? For the former, find your friends list and pick the Ignore tab on the same page. I think you’re out of luck if you did the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11744 "2010-05-27T15:01:00Z")
> [@martu](#): > > For the other healers here do you use mouseover macros and key bindings or clique\healbot\vuhdo? On both my pally and priest I use a combination of Grid/Clique and key bindings. For example on my pally, Holy Light is right-click. Flash of Light is Ctrl + right-click. Holy Shock is Atl + right-click. I also have Cleanse and some of my Hand spells bound to mouse clicks. But my seals and judgements and special abilities like Turn Evil are all on my action bar bound to my number keys since I usually have more time to cast them. On my priest I don’t use Clique quite so much because I healed for so long with the key bindings I’m just used to it now. I just use grid to select my target and then use my keys to cast. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11745 "2010-05-27T15:03:26Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Did you do a real Ignore or a Report Spam? For the former, find your friends list and pick the Ignore tab on the same page. I think you’re out of luck if you did the latter. No, I did /ignore. I don’t know that I’ve used it before, though, so I didn’t know if you could see your ignore list. I’ll have to look at it later to remember the name. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11746 "2010-05-27T15:04:59Z")
> [@Daedelus](#): > > Yeah, I guess you just have to kill a few to open a space up and then keep dragging them back to kill them. Or, just skip that quest, lol. It’s been a LONG time since I did that quest as a druid, but I do remember having problems because of runners. The standard strategy is to clear the entrance, then clear the single mobs on each side of the point where the entrance opens out to the ramp. Stand there until the patrol enters that cleared killing floor and take him or her out. Then work _upward_ and take out each mob or pair of mobs, looting mushrooms as you go. There are enough of the ones you need the most of on the way up to the landing up top to fulfill that part of the quest, and there is one of the other kind (which I think is all you need) right up at the top. No need to go delving to the bottom. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11747 "2010-05-27T15:07:15Z")
> [@Daedelus](#): > > Infusion of Light is the primary CD that I would put on Power Auras, but I also have a few to help remind me when things like Judgments of the Pure is not up or when my trinket is off CD so that I can Divine Plea safely. > > Yeah, I mean, gear will come with time, but I definitely recommend picking up the [Talisman of Resurgence](http://www.wowhead.com/item=48724) as it’s on use will compensate for Divine Plea all by itself. Plus, the Intellect is just great for holy paladins. > > Yeah, I guess you just have to kill a few to open a space up and then keep dragging them back to kill them. Or, just skip that quest, lol. I want that Trinket…I am getting the libram next but after that it’s that Trinket for sure. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11748 "2010-05-27T15:12:41Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > On both my pally and priest I use a combination of Grid/Clique and key bindings. > > For example on my pally, Holy Light is right-click. Flash of Light is Ctrl + right-click. Holy Shock is Atl + right-click. I also have Cleanse and some of my Hand spells bound to mouse clicks. But my seals and judgements and special abilities like Turn Evil are all on my action bar bound to my number keys since I usually have more time to cast them.. Very similar to me actually I have: Left-click - Flash of Light Right-click - Holy Light ctrl+Left-click - Holy Shock ctrl+Right-click - Lay on Hands alt+Left-click - Beacon alt+Right-click - Sacred Shield with all my other abilities key bound. ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11749 "2010-05-27T15:16:43Z")
I remember that quest too – another tip: don’t loot the mobs that you kill (I know, sparkling corpses are s-o-o-o tempting!). That keeps the mobs from respawning as quickly as they would if you loot the bodies. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11750 "2010-05-27T15:19:05Z")
I only use mouseover macros to heal, with Click2Cast used for cleanses/dispels/decurses (Ctrl+Left or Right click). The basic macro I use is: #showtooltip /cast [target=mouseover,help] —whatever heal spell I just have these bound to my keys. I use 1-5, Shift+1-5, Q, E, R, T, G and Shift+Q, E, R, T, G for my bars. Those keybinds basically cover all the abilities/spells I need to use and then some. Using mouseover macros allows me to forgo one action for every heal (targeting) just like using Clique does, but also ensures that I’m never beholden to an add-on to heal effectively. I used to use Clique or Click2Cast to heal, but these add-ons broke for me in the past, and I felt pretty useless without them, so I decided to go the macro route. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11751 "2010-05-27T15:26:18Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It’s been a LONG time since I did that quest as a druid, but I do remember having problems because of runners. The standard strategy is to clear the entrance, then clear the single mobs on each side of the point where the entrance opens out to the ramp. Stand there until the patrol enters that cleared killing floor and take him or her out. Then work _upward_ and take out each mob or pair of mobs, looting mushrooms as you go. There are enough of the ones you need the most of on the way up to the landing up top to fulfill that part of the quest, and there is one of the other kind (which I think is all you need) right up at the top. No need to go delving to the bottom. I’ll try that tonight thanks for the tip. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11752 "2010-05-27T15:30:08Z")
> [@martu](#): > > For the other healers here do you use mouseover macros and key bindings or clique\healbot\vuhdo? Healbot. Haven’t tried grid/clique; I’ve found that the biggest difference in using Healbot vs. not using it comes in raids & BGs; I can heal perfectly adequately with just a vanilla layout in 5 mans. If a patch breaks healbot I’ll just have to dps until it’s fixed, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11753 "2010-05-27T15:31:08Z")
> [@Daedelus](#): > > I only use mouseover macros to heal, with Click2Cast used for cleanses/dispels/decurses (Ctrl+Left or Right click). The basic macro I use is: > > #showtooltip > /cast [target=mouseover,help] —whatever heal spell > > I just have these bound to my keys. I use 1-5, Shift+1-5, Q, E, R, T, G and Shift+Q, E, R, T, G for my bars. Those keybinds basically cover all the abilities/spells I need to use and then some. Using mouseover macros allows me to forgo one action for every heal (targeting) just like using Clique does, but also ensures that I’m never beholden to an add-on to heal effectively. I used to use Clique or Click2Cast to heal, but these add-ons broke for me in the past, and I felt pretty useless without them, so I decided to go the macro route. Forgive the (potentially) dumb question but you’re mousing over your raid frames then pressing a key binding right? I use nearly the same keys however I don’t use G but I do use F, why don’t you use F out of interest? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11754 "2010-05-27T15:31:56Z")
> [@Daedelus](#): > > I would suggest using the Illusion card over the Snowflake unless you have mana issues. I’ll give it a shot and see if mana issues develop. The card does have a mana restore ability, but it’s a flat 1500 mana which doesn’t really go very far. (OTOH, I don’t have hymn of hope anywhere accessible at the moment, which I should really change). ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11755 "2010-05-27T15:32:35Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > On my priest I don’t use Clique quite so much because I healed for so long with the key bindings I’m just used to it now. I just use grid to select my target and then use my keys to cast. Sorry on a re-read I missed this, how do you use Grid to select your target? ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11756 "2010-05-27T15:40:52Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Sorry on a re-read I missed this, how do you use Grid to select your target? If you don’t assign left-click via Clique, then left-clicking on a Grid square will make that person your target. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11757 "2010-05-27T15:42:03Z")
Hoorah, Heroic Blood Wing down! BPC took a few attempts to get everyone synched up–I think part of the problem is that the GM has gotten used to having the same group of people, so we just kind of plunged in without really taking the time to work out who would be standing where, which meant that we had way too many people getting hit with Empowered Shock Vortex. BQL wasn’t nice enough to drop her shield for me (and I’m sure I would have gotten it, since the only other main-spec shield-using tank in the raid who I think has more DKP than me already has it), but she did cough up a 264 token, so I upgraded my helm. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Is this thread taking a very long time to load for anyone else? I had a thread or two time out yesterday. Working fine now, though. > [@martu](#): > > One thing about Grid and Clique – is there any way of binding the mouse wheel to a spell? Dunno if you can do it in the addon, but you can definitely do it in the default UI. You can make a mouseover macro for the ability you want to use, drag it onto your action bar, and then bind that action bar button to your mousewheel up- or downscroll. That’s actually how I heal on my priest–keybound macros + Grid. The macros I use have a cascading priority where it first attempts to heal my mouseover, then my friendly target, then my hostile target’s friendly target, then me. Or something like that. > [@Skammer](#): > > It looks like we’ve switched to a new filtering product – which not only blocks game-related sites, but is also smart enough to block cached images of game sites as well It’s probably worthwhile to keep trying occasionally. The filter here sometimes catches cached pages and sometimes doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11758 "2010-05-27T15:43:53Z")
> [@martu](#): > > Forgive the (potentially) dumb question but you’re mousing over your raid frames then pressing a key binding right? > > I use nearly the same keys however I don’t use G but I do use F, why don’t you use F out of interest? Yes. I use Grid for my raid frames. I can then just move my cursor over any target that I want to heal, and without clicking them to target them (or changing my target at all) I press whatever bind to cast a heal on them. I don’t use F because I’m used to it being used to assist (the default binding) and I like having that easily available. I also have Ctrl+F bound to focusing my current target though I do actually use Shift+F as a bind, now that I’m thinking about it. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I’ll give it a shot and see if mana issues develop. The card does have a mana restore ability, but it’s a flat 1500 mana which doesn’t really go very far. (OTOH, I don’t have hymn of hope anywhere accessible at the moment, which I should really change). Yes, definitely put Hymn of Hope somewhere on your bars on an accessible bind. Using Hymn right after casting Shadowfiend will significantly increase the amount of mana you will have returned, due to the Shadowfiend returning a percentage of the enlarged mana pool that Hymn initially provides. If you can find opportune situations to use these two in combination, you can easily regain 80-90% of your mana back. As for the Illusion card, yeah, the mana restore is lackluster, but the spellpower is better overall than having the cheaper costs of spells that may not be useful at all. > [@martu](#): > > Sorry on a re-read I missed this, how do you use Grid to select your target? Grid is basically your raid frames, so you can click on anyone to target them. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11759 "2010-05-27T15:45:39Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > If you don’t assign left-click via Clique, then left-clicking on a Grid square will make that person your target. I really should have worked that out myself… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11760 "2010-05-27T15:47:44Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Dunno if you can do it in the addon, but you can definitely do it in the default UI. You can make a mouseover macro for the ability you want to use, drag it onto your action bar, and then bind that action bar button to your mousewheel up- or downscroll. > > That’s actually how I heal on my priest–keybound macros + Grid. The macros I use have a cascading priority where it first attempts to heal my mouseover, then my friendly target, then my hostile target’s friendly target, then me. Or something like that. > [@Daedelus](#): > > Yes. I use Grid for my raid frames. I can then just move my cursor over any target that I want to heal, and without clicking them to target them (or changing my target at all) I press whatever bind to cast a heal on them. I don’t use F because I’m used to it being used to assist (the default binding) and I like having that easily available. I also have Ctrl+F bound to focusing my current target though I do actually use Shift+F as a bind, now that I’m thinking about it. Thanks all, plenty for me to think about so it’s back to my key bindings spreadsheet… Oh and grats **SFG** ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Daedelus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daedelus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/11761 "2010-05-27T15:48:34Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Hoorah, Heroic Blood Wing down! BPC took a few attempts to get everyone synched up–I think part of the problem is that the GM has gotten used to having the same group of people, so we just kind of plunged in without really taking the time to work out who would be standing where, which meant that we had way too many people getting hit with Empowered Shock Vortex. > > BQL wasn’t nice enough to drop her shield for me (and I’m sure I would have gotten it, since the only other main-spec shield-using tank in the raid who I think has more DKP than me already has it), but she did cough up a 264 token, so I upgraded my helm. Cheers! BPC is definitely a pain in the ass if people are running around without any coordination. Glad to hear you got the wing down (I’m assuming in 25?). And cheers on the upgrade and the new guild as well. 🙂 > [@](#): > > That’s actually how I heal on my priest–keybound macros + Grid. The macros I use have a cascading priority where it first attempts to heal my mouseover, then my friendly target, then my hostile target’s friendly target, then me. Or something like that. Yeah, my macros have that fall through logic in them as well, I just put a simplified version of it up on here. I find the macro+Grid to be very effective and fairly intuitive. But, I also try not to rely on too many add-ons in general, at least as far as pure gameplay is concerned. I don’t like being gimped because Blizzard borked an add-on in some way or another. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=587) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=589)