# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Raza](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raza/32/213_2.png) [@Raza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raza)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1361 "2009-05-26T20:02:32Z")
As a 72 Hunter I “snuck” into Dalaran yesterday. While I loved the compactness of the place, especially compared to Shattrath City, performance seemed a problem at times (and I _never_ have performance problems). I’ve glimpsed past discussions where others note this as well. Is having Dalaran as your hearth the way to go, despite the performance woes? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1362 "2009-05-26T20:08:18Z")
> [@Raza](#): > > As a 72 Hunter I “snuck” into Dalaran yesterday. While I loved the compactness of the place, especially compared to Shattrath City, performance seemed a problem at times (and I _never_ have performance problems). I’ve glimpsed past discussions where others note this as well. > > Is having Dalaran as your hearth the way to go, despite the performance woes? I’d say yes. If you’ll be using Dalaran as your “portal” spot, you’ll only be in the city very briefly (until you start the fishing achievements, anyway), but it gives you access to EVERYTHING…if you hearth in Shattrath, you’ll need to portal to Stormwind and then take the boat to Northrend to get anywhere there. Hearthed in Dalaran, you can hearth in, run to the flightmaster, and go anywhere in Northrend you have flightpoints for. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1363 "2009-05-26T20:15:15Z")
I’ve never quite figured out why Shatt and Dal have ports to the capital cities, but no ports back. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1364 "2009-05-26T20:17:06Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Nope. I’m a retribution paladin. I run with my Retribution Aura on, and buffed with Greater Blessing of Might and Seal of Vengeance. Then my normal attack rotation goes like this: Ok, the reason I asked is because in the old thread you asked a question about macros which indicated that you always have it on, but I suppose you realized it was rather pointless to have it on all the time 🙂 Um, wait, you’re using _Seal of Vengeance_ :eek:😕 I dare say you would be better off with Seal of Command or Seal of the Martyr. While SoC and SoV might be equal in a sustained dps scenario, normal mobs should be dead long before you the full effect of the SoV dot, and SotM beats them both by a fairly large margin. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1365 "2009-05-26T20:17:38Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I’ve never quite figured out why Shatt and Dal have ports to the capital cities, but no ports back. Because they want you to earn getting there. In both cases, you have to be tough enough to stand up to the journey (unless you’re summoned or ported there). They don’t WANT people going there before they’re supposed to. That’s why you have to be 74 before you get the quest to be “elevatored” to Dalaran. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1366 "2009-05-26T20:28:41Z")
Yeah, my laptop is under-specced for Wrath of the Lich King in general, and it shows up when I go to crowded battlegrounds & to some degree in busy parts of Org and Stormwind, so I basically never ever go to Dalaran - at best I get 1 frame per second there. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1367 "2009-05-26T20:35:31Z")
Ye olde long weekend catchup time… > [@gus28](#): > > I did have a gun and ammo equipped, did not know to drag down the ability to my action bar. If you want to get really fancy, you can even make a macro so you don’t have to swap it out. ```auto /cast [equipped:Thrown] Throw; Shoot ``` > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Thank you! I have a question: Is it okay for me to step in and kill if I see a lower level “losing it”? I always try to help when I can–just make sure the other person has the mob “tagged” so that they get the credit for the kill. Look at the name plate on the portrait of the monster when you select it–if it’s red behind the name, it’s untagged; if it’s gray, it’s tagged. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Funny but true: Someone tonight asked me if I had a “main”? > > I answered back: “No, I am straight, but I DO have a womain!”😃 LOL! If you weren’t aware, people tend to speak in terms of “main” and “alt” characters. Someone’s main is the character they spend the most time on, usually their highest-level character. Alts or alternate characters are ones that they spend less time on and are usually lower level. For instance, my main is an 80 Warrior, but I have something like eight alts ranging in level from 12 to 60, not including my mules and farmers. > [@jayjay](#): > > While you’re leveling, your best bet is Fury or Arms for them. Leveling Protection won’t kill you, though, if that’s what you’d really want to do–it’s what I did on my main, and I don’t regret it at all. You kill things more slowly, but you have more survivability, and you’ll have a better understanding of tanking than if you tried to pick it up at 80 (assuming you have any interest in tanking). It will be even easier to level Prot with all the great changes made to the spec in the last seven months or so, especially with the lastest buffs. > [@jayjay](#): > > The best (read, most efficient) missile weapon to train for warriors is Thrown, since you never have to buy ammo, once you buy the initial throwing knife or axe. The damage is tiny, but then you’re only using missiles for pulling anyway, right? It’s the “most efficient” in terms of bag space, sure, but now that ammo stacks up to 1k, it’s really not a huge consideration anymore. For Warriors, ranged weapons are mainly “stat sticks,” so you’re always going to want to equip a gun or bow with better stats over a thrown weapon with poorer ones. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > But yeah, I decided that a warrior really needs something to pull with since they, like bears, have something like a two-mile aggro radius [snip] I’m speccing this dwarf Protection, but at lvl 10 there’s not a lot of protection to be had. 1.) Yup, you always want to pull, unless you know you can take on anything in the vicinity or likely to pat by before you can finish the mob off. 2.) Lest you despair, there will be more pulling options by the time you reach 80–Taunt now works from a 30-yard range, and you get Heroic Throw at 70-something. As a well-geared 80 Prot Warrior, though, I mostly just use Charge straight into whatever I’m planning to kill, since I am very, very, \*very \*hard to kill. (Seriously. LIKE A ROCK.) 3.) Prot FTW! I am happy to answer any questions that may occur to you as you level this lovely new baby tank. 😃 > [@Electronic\_Chaos](#): > > It’s a little depressing, since I started just before BC came out, and am just now almost at the original level cap. But then I’ll have another 20 levels to go. If it makes you feel any better, the exboyfriend who got me into WoW never even hit 60 on his main, as far as I know. > [@](#): > > Are there any add-ons or macros I could use that wait, say, 2 or 3 seconds after I attack something and then put him in defensive mode, and then after combat ends, put him back in passive mode? Not that I know of, but my 'Lock is only 41 and I never played her that way (I just have the VW hold everything). I think there is a way to put a delay on an action in a macro, but you couldn’t put more than one thing in it that triggers a GCD. > [@](#): > > Wait… are 'locks still considered overpowered? I remember reading something about them being nerfed a lot. They’re not the crazy juggernauts they were in the beginning of WoW, but being a pet class they’re still easier to level than most. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Hey, what’s up with the dearth cool-looking cloaks? NO SHIT. Mine right now is fugly as sin. (And item level has nothing to do with it–it’s a 213 epic.) I can’t remember how long it’s been since I actually had my cloak display turned on. > [@Telperien](#): > > Also, High Druid Staghelm is a jerk. I don’t think anyone likes him very much, which is probably why he’s so crabby. I remember wanting to punch him in the mouth the first time my main talked to him, and my impression hasn’t changed much since then. > [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](#): > > it seems that many group invites pop up from strangers…with no one around…and no clue as to what it’s about… If the invites are from low-level characters, they could be gold farmers. They invite you to a group, you accept, and they spam gold advertisements in party chat. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > It was kind of strange, though, when I was grouped with him - he was clearly doing way more damage than I was, yet I (a paladin) apparently was generating more threat. The DK could attack first, but as soon as I hit the mob it would turn and start attacking me, which is apparently what happened with that 78 elite. What’s up with that? Make sure you check the Ret tree for any threat-reduction talents–there’s probably at least one. Fun, related side note: I finally got my group quest to kill Orbaz Bloodbane in IC done after months of it being on my logs (I could have solo’d it, but it literally would have taken about five an a half hours). I noticed before we started that the pally who was coming along as a healer had Righteous Fury up, I told him about five times to take it down, and he didn’t understand what I was talking about or how to turn it off. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1368 "2009-05-26T21:23:28Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Make sure you check the Ret tree for any threat-reduction talents–there’s probably at least one. Fanaticism. It’s deep in the Ret tree, but it’s neat. You get a passive threat reduction _except_ when Righteous Fury is running. So you’re generating either 70% threat OR 190%. No middle ground. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1369 "2009-05-26T21:29:20Z")
**Mister Rik** , you’re definitely going to want to pick that up, or your tanks will be justified in laughing at you if you pull off them and get smooshed. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1370 "2009-05-26T22:21:51Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Ok, the reason I asked is because in the old thread you asked a question about macros which indicated that you always have it on, but I suppose you realized it was rather pointless to have it on all the time 🙂 Now that you mention it, I do seem to recall that I used to run with _three_ buffs “always on”, whereas now I only run with two, so the third must have been Righteous Fury. I know there was some reason I stopped using it, probably when I realized that I really wasn’t using many “Holy” spells. Since it was before the 3.1 patch, I wasn’t yet using Exorcism to pull, and that left Consecration as the only “Holy” spell in my regularly-used ability list. And I typically reserve Consecration for situations where I’ve gotten adds and I want to do the adds some damage while finishing off the original mob - a scenario where additional threat generation is contraindicated 😃 My only other commonly-used “Holy” spell is Holy Light, and the only time I ever use that in combat is in dire emergencies where I’m about to die. Again, not a situation where I want to be generating more threat. > [@](#): > > Um, wait, you’re using _Seal of Vengeance_ :eek:😕 > I dare say you would be better off with Seal of Command or Seal of the Martyr. > While SoC and SoV might be equal in a sustained dps scenario, normal mobs should be dead long before you the full effect of the SoV dot, and SotM beats them both by a fairly large margin. I’ve tried all three (in fact I used Seal of Command right up until I gained Seal of Vengeance), and came to the conclusion that SoV fit my combat style better. When I respecced after the last patch I took the opportunity to take the talent points I’d previously invested in SoC and put them elsewhere. You mentioned the previous thread and while perusing it I came across these old posts: > [@Yllaria](#): > > For months I’ve been driving to Redding to help family. It’s about a four hour drive. Recently, every time I get ready to do it, I get this nagging little feeling that I should have the flight point discovered by now. > > Has this happened to anyone else? > [@jayjay](#): > > Not this, but I have tried to pan the camera on screenshots to see more. Also, I’ve tried to cursor over a button, inventory item or buff tracker on screenshots to bring up the tooltip. > [@Raza](#): > > If I get into the car after playing my herbalism character, I’ll tend to (subconsciously) check out all the neighbor’s flower beds on my way out of the subdivision. > [@Ferret Herder](#): > > When driving, I try to mentally move the mouse cursor over Ford Crown Victorias that are in the distance, to see if they’re cop cars or regular cars. I just found myself doing this kind of thing yesterday when I took my bicycle out for a ride on the local bike trail. One long stretch of the trail is surrounded by meadows of dry grass and brush, with flowering plants here and there. I found myself trying to identify some of these plants … “Hmmm… peacebloom … there’s some mageroyal …” I didn’t see any silverleaf in the wooded areas, but that makes sense because we all know that silverleaf is _always_ on the _other side_ of the tree 😛 And I’m constantly trying to pan screenshots. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1371 "2009-05-26T22:29:10Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > **Mister Rik** , you’re definitely going to want to pick that up, or your tanks will be justified in laughing at you if you pull off them and get smooshed. Got it already, 3/3 points 🙂 ETA: What tanks? I work alone\*, kid 😃 - Well, mostly alone. And it looks like I’m gonna have to break down soon and ask for help with some of the NR “group” quests. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1372 "2009-05-26T22:45:58Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > My only other commonly-used “Holy” spell is Holy Light, and the only time I ever use that in combat is in dire emergencies where I’m about to die. Again, not a situation where I want to be generating more threat. What? You don’t use judgements ? 😉 You need to be careful not to confuse spell Schools with skill trees. For example Holy Light, Judgements and Hammer of Justice belong to different skill trees but they all belong to the Holy spell School. > [@](#): > > I’ve tried all three (in fact I used Seal of Command right up until I gained Seal of Vengeance), and came to the conclusion that SoV fit my combat style better. When I respecced after the last patch I took the opportunity to take the talent points I’d previously invested in SoC and put them elsewhere. _Shrug_ Each to his own I suppose, just keep in mind if you use any Seal other than Martyr you’re not doing as much damage as you could. > [@](#): > > ETA: What tanks? I work alone\*, kid 😃 Sooner or later you’re going to have to group up with people for instances if you want to develop your character any further. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1373 "2009-05-26T23:03:28Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > What? You don’t use judgements ? 😉 You need to be careful not to confuse spell Schools with skill trees. For example Holy Light, Judgements and Hammer of Justice belong to different skill trees but they all belong to the Holy spell School. I did not know that. I moused over everything in my action bar and none of the tooltips said “Holy”, so I was basing my comments on what tab of my Spellbook each spell is in. Where should I be looking? > [@](#): > > _Shrug_ Each to his own I suppose, just keep in mind if you use any Seal other than Martyr you’re not doing as much damage as you could. Huh. I’ll give it another try then. I’ll admit I didn’t experiment with it for very long. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1374 "2009-05-26T23:13:59Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I did not know that. I moused over everything in my action bar and none of the tooltips said “Holy”, so I was basing my comments on what tab of my Spellbook each spell is in. Where should I be looking? In game you have to rely on the damage type, eg if it does Holy damage it’s a Holy spell, casting animation and which spells get locked by an interrupt. But if you look the spell up on wowhead you will find information regarding which school it belongs to. To save you some time I can tell you that all paladin spells except for Crusader Strike and Divine Storm are Holy. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1375 "2009-05-27T04:57:34Z")
Something just occurred to me now that I’m using a bank/AH alt … am I losing my deposit every time something doesn’t sell? If so, I’m going to give up trying to sell these crap Northrend fish that show a high Market Price but which don’t actually sell. For that matter, how does something end up with a high Market Price if nobody’s actually buying it at that price? ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1376 "2009-05-27T05:48:13Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Something just occurred to me now that I’m using a bank/AH alt … am I losing my deposit every time something doesn’t sell? Indeed you are. That’s one of the good things about selling enchanting mats - they have no vendor price, therefore no deposit, therefore there’s no loss if they don’t sell. > [@](#): > > For that matter, how does something end up with a high Market Price if nobody’s actually buying it at that price? The market price can fluctuate a lot, depending on day of the week and even time of day. When considering the prices shown in add-ons like Auctioneer, you have to consider how many times the item has been seen at auction. Even with Auctioneer, though, I tend to check to see what the actual prices are at that moment before selling. I also tend to undercut by more than the Auctioneer default of 5%. It’s too easy to get undercut in return by doing that. What type of fish are you trying to sell, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1377 "2009-05-27T06:04:27Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > For that matter, how does something end up with a high Market Price if nobody’s actually buying it at that price? People trying to part fools from their money. My biggest complaint about the AH, one that I’ve voiced a few times in these WoW threads, is that the AH doesn’t report _anything_ about sale history. All it does is report asking prices. The fact that there’s stacks of Silver Ore on the AH at 5 gold apiece does me no good if anyone only actually buys when it’s priced at 3 gold or lower. It also doesn’t say when the last sale was made; if nobody’s bought this rare alchemy recipe in the last week despite three of them being listed, why should I list mine? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1378 "2009-05-27T10:57:17Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > For that matter, how does something end up with a high Market Price if nobody’s actually buying it at that price? As someone already noted, the problem with Auctioneer is that it doesn’t record Final Price, it records Asking Price, which means that if someone puts 50 stacks of Peacebloom at 50g apiece, and it never sells, it still gets recorded by Auctioneer as “Peacebloom 50g” 50 times, which skews the average that it shows for that herb immensely. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1379 "2009-05-27T13:05:29Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > If so, I’m going to give up trying to sell these crap Northrend fish that show a high Market Price but which don’t actually sell. In addition to what the last few posters have said, I’ve heard that the market for NR fish has completely dried up. They used to go for a really high price because levelling fishing was such a PITA and they could be used for great buff food. With the recent changes to fishing (able to fish anywhere, faster catch times, Dal fishing daily) more people are fishing, driving up the supply dramatically. It’ll take awhile for Auctioneer to respond to such a dramatic change in the price of a commodity. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1380 "2009-05-27T14:45:28Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > ETA: What tanks? I work alone\*, kid 😃 Sure you do–_for leveling_. But as soon as you step into an instance or a raid, you’d better know how to be a good DPSer, and one of the ways you do that is to know how to control your threat. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I did not know that. I moused over everything in my action bar and none of the tooltips said “Holy”, so I was basing my comments on what tab of my Spellbook each spell is in. Where should I be looking? IIRC, every spell will, in its tooltip, tell you what kind of damage it does (e.g., “Smite your target for 83 Holy damage” or something of the sort). > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Something just occurred to me now that I’m using a bank/AH alt … am I losing my deposit every time something doesn’t sell? If so, I’m going to give up trying to sell these crap Northrend fish that show a high Market Price but which don’t actually sell. > > For that matter, how does something end up with a high Market Price if nobody’s actually buying it at that price? Yes, your deposit is only refunded if your item sells. (Next time an auction goes through, take a look at the mail–it breaks down the cash you receive into sale price, minus the AH cut, plus your original deposit.) As has been observed, Auctioneer doesn’t record what price items sold for, just what price they were listed for. I don’t use it as a strict guide to “this is what I should be charging,” but rather as a general guide that gives me some idea whether the market is over or under where it has been historically. So, if the market is running normal or high, I’ll price my auction just below the cheapest (or one of the cheapest, depending on my stack size). If the market is running cheap that day, I might just hold onto that auction another couple of days to see if it improves. Some fish do still go for a decent price, but those are the ones that are used to make the best buff foods for raiding. E.g., Musselback Sculpins, Nettlefish, and Glacial Salmon together make Fish Feast, and Dragonfin Angelfish can be used to make either the +Strength buff food I use or the +Agility kind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=70)