# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/141 "2009-03-13T21:45:22Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > What I’ve found sells really well (my paladin is a tailor) is the Black Mageweave Leggings. Most likely because, on a female toon, they look like a pair of black panties with matching black thigh-high stockings, and combined with a Black Mageweave Vest, the vest and “panties” meld together to look like a one-piece black teddy. My girlfriend was pissed off when she put on the Mageweave Leggings. She said they made her look like a “priestitute.” She never did take them off until she could make better gear, though. 😃 > [@](#): > > **Mining** : What, exactly, makes Silver Ore so much more valuable than Gold Ore? Right now I’ve got a stack of 18 Silver Ores, with Auctioneer showing a market price of 85g 32s, and a stack of 15 Gold Ores showing a market price of only 40g 69s 20c. AIUI, there’s a gap between Tin and Iron Ore that only Silver can bridge for a few professions. Mining (smelting, more precisely), Engineering, Blacksmithing, Jewelcrafting I think… Anyway, while Gold Ore is similarly rare, there’s more of an overlap between Iron Ore and Mithril Ore, so it’s less vital to skillups. > [@](#): > > Oh, and now I’m positive my pally will have 1000g before lvl 60. She’s currently lvl 57 and has 927g 29s 73c 😃 Lucky bugger. I’m earning for two, so I don’t get to keep all my money. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Orr\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee59a6/32.png) [@Orr\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orr_G)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/142 "2009-03-13T22:05:33Z")
Thanks for the excellent information, guys! I’m going to have to think about my decision a bit more before I dive in, and the links and perspective provided here should help. Whatever route I go with, it looks like I’m going to want to level at least a couple of tradeskill alts. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/143 "2009-03-13T22:17:27Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I have to ask since this is something I’ve genuinely wondered about. What’s the point of playing an MMO if you don’t like raids, instances, or pvp? Wouldn’t you be better off playing a single player game that doesn’t include so much of the problems (not to mention cost) involved with making interaction with multiple people possible. That is, sure, I sometimes enjoy a little solo play, but if I didn’t like raiding and pvp, I’d most likely be playing a different game. My favorite thing is questing and following the various storylines (such as they are). That, and the fact that in WoW I can basically go anywhere/do anything I want to do. Nearly every single-player game is extremely linear; I like the wide-open aspect of WoW. Before I played WoW, I played Diablo II for years, and the idea of raiding (in the sense of getting a bunch of people together to attack an enemy town) just smells to me too much like doing “Mephisto runs” or “Baal runs”. The open-ended nature of the game has strong appeal to me, probably because one of the first games I got into heavily when I got my first Mac in 1996 was a little shareware game called [Escape Velocity](http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/evn/). EV was/is a space trading/combat game. It was a single-player game that had everything a MMORPG has except for the multiplayer/online parts. You created a character who started out with nothing but a small shuttlecraft armed with only a weak, defensive laser cannon. You were thrust into a galaxy populated by two competing factions, the established Confederation and the Rebels, as well as space pirates, merchant traders, and other minor factions. From there, you zipped around the galaxy doing pretty much whatever the hell you wanted to do. You could concentrate on trading/shipping, updrading to bigger and better freighters. You could become a pirate. You could ally yourself with the Confederation or the Rebels. It had a plug-in architecture, so once you’d finished all the built-in missions you could load some plug-ins and play with user-created missions, user-created new ships/weaponry/equipment. It was totally open-ended, with no “end game”. I also love exploring. Azeroth is just so big and cool 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wonderlust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonderlust/32/7237_2.png) [@wonderlust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonderlust)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/144 "2009-03-13T23:44:39Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I have to ask since this is something I’ve genuinely wondered about. What’s the point of playing an MMO if you don’t like raids, instances, or pvp? Wouldn’t you be better off playing a single player game that doesn’t include so much of the problems (not to mention cost) involved with making interaction with multiple people possible. That is, sure, I sometimes enjoy a little solo play, but if I didn’t like raiding and pvp, I’d most likely be playing a different game. If you’re asking me, I do like pvp, battlegrounds anyway. But playing as BM hunter is increasingly problematic lately. I also like making friends ingame. I’m still interested in what **Invisible Wombat** does at 80. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/145 "2009-03-14T00:29:40Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I have to ask since this is something I’ve genuinely wondered about. What’s the point of playing an MMO if you don’t like raids, instances, or pvp? Wouldn’t you be better off playing a single player game that doesn’t include so much of the problems (not to mention cost) involved with making interaction with multiple people possible. That is, sure, I sometimes enjoy a little solo play, but if I didn’t like raiding and pvp, I’d most likely be playing a different game. Well, I like to think of it as a chat room with light killing for fun and profit =) See, I loved D&D, and AD&D, but it was always a pain in the ass to get a good group together [i like my guys to bathe more often than the full moon, and have some manners …] and I was thrilled when RPG pc games came out, but if all you do is shut yourself in the computer room and kill maim and loot where you are the only person pretty soon you start having meaningful chats with the cat. In a MMORPG, I can chat with people all over the country, though I have been known to chat with mrAru as he sits next to me while he is off killing kittehs in STV and I am in outlands tormenting blood elf NPCs in game =) ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/146 "2009-03-14T00:53:34Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > and I was thrilled when RPG pc games came out, but if all you do is shut yourself in the computer room and kill maim and loot where you are the only person pretty soon you start having meaningful chats with the cat. Depending how far back your experience with computer RPGs goes, you may appreciate [this little music video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nigRT2KmCE) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/147 "2009-03-14T02:30:55Z")
I am an “altoholic”. I have a 78 beastmastery dwarf hunter (McTaggart), a 77 gnome frost mage (Popgunn), a 77 human shadow priest (Queron) a 77 night elf feral druid (Klaw), a 76 orc mutilate rogue (Figmo), a 76 blood elf affliction warlock (Dotbot), a 76 tauren enhancement shaman (Odorbank), a 75 night elf balance druid (Ivorae), a 73 dwarf blood deathknight (Old Grouch), and a dwarf 66 fury warrior (Steelhand). All of them are on the Moonrunner server. For mods, I use Titan bar, Quartz timer, Khunter timer, Flo totem bars and Flo aspect bars. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/148 "2009-03-14T02:32:55Z")
[Yay, titles!](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/jayjaybear/kassandrintheexplorer.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/149 "2009-03-14T02:38:44Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > QFT. **Rik** , you really need to pick up Feign Death and learn how to use it (if you haven’t already). I only recently started getting the hang of it and it’s a massive advantage. > > Accidentally pull aggro from your pet? Feign Death. Had a bad pull and 6 mobs are running at you instead of 1 or 2? Feign Death. Trying to solo a same-or-higher-level elite and your pet just died? Feign Death. Running a dungeon and accidentally pull some mobs of the tank? Feign Death. In fact, casting Mend Pet followed immediately by Feign Death when the mobs switch onto you is a good way to keep your pet up for tough battles without drawing the mobs off of them. > > Really the only downside is the long CD (30 sec - reduced to 25 with a minor glyph - the best hunter minor glyph in the game as far as I can tell). For me, it’s way more fun to Thunderstomp and agro everything on purpose. I roll with a gorilla 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/150 "2009-03-14T03:42:03Z")
> [@wonderlust](#): > > **Invisible Wombat** said “Since I’m a solo PvE player, not a raider or PvPer, I wore that set until about level 74.” > > As an 80 hunter with an identity crisis and no particular love for instances, I’m wondering just what you do with your toons once they hit 80, as a solo player who doesn’t pvp. Me? I make new toons. 😕 > [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > What’s the point of playing an MMO if you don’t like raids, instances, or pvp? Wouldn’t you be better off playing a single player game that doesn’t include so much of the problems (not to mention cost) involved with making interaction with multiple people possible. There is a _LOT_ more to WoW than raids, instances (I never said I didn’t like instances, BTW, just that I don’t do them often), and PvP. I don’t have any level 80s yet (my mage is at 79), but let me tell you what I did when he hit 70 before the Wrath of the Lich King expansion came out: [ul] [li]Solo questing and exploration (obviously)[/li][li]Socializing with friends in group play[/li][li]Chatting with friends during solo play[/li][li]Working up professions[/li][li]Starting new characters and experiencing new and different classes, professions, starting areas, and so forth[/li][li]Building rep with various factions[/li][li]Making money with daily quests, farming, and crafting[/li][li]Getting better gear, enchantments, gems, weapons, etc.[/li][li]Getting achievements _(okay - that wasn’t until Wrath came out)_[/li][li]Collecting mounts and non-combat pets[/li][li]Helping guildies out with quests[/li][li]Playing with the auction house and trying to manipulate the game economy[/li][/ul] As I mentioned in the other thread, I’ve been playing World of Warcraft for three years now, and the list of things I haven’t done is quite long. With the exception of my death knight, I’ve never played a hordie over level 30 (the DK is 65). I’ve never been in a battleground or arena (although I’ve done a little bit of world PvP). I’ve never had an engineer, jewelcrafter, or inscriptor. I’ve never taken leatherworking or smithing past about 150 skill. Never played a dranei, and only played blood elf, dwarf, undead, and orc up to about level 10. Never played a warrior, hunter or warlock over level 30. Never played a Shaman over 20, a rogue or druid over 15, or a paladin over 5. Never played on a PvP server, and only messed with a role-playing server for a couple of days (nobody on that damned server role-played). There are several zones I’ve never visited. There are probably 20 instances I’ve never been in, and I’ve only soloed a few of them. I’ve only been in a raid group once (that was for a raid on Crossroads). When Burning Crusade came out, I only had one character up to level 60, and when Wrath of the Lich King hit, I hadn’t even gotten my second character up to level 70 yet. The game is incredibly huge. No single-player game exists with anywhere near its scope. It’s FUN. It’s social. And there’s a lot more left to do! ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/151 "2009-03-14T16:47:57Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Depending how far back your experience with computer RPGs goes, you may appreciate [this little music video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nigRT2KmCE) 😛 i am embarrassed to say that not only do I recognize lots of the equipment stashed down there, but I used to own lots of it … Actually, I was stuck in bed with 3 amiga games, and an amiga for 2 months after surgery … Dungeon Master 1, Black Cauldron [not related to the childrens story] and Eye of the Beholder 1 … I got so good[?] at EoB1 that I could walk someone through it on the telephone without even being logged in and playing…I can still play through the entire thing fairly fast because I remember most of it when I see it=) I think I still have an original floppy of Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards, and DungeonHack. I can remember playing text based games on a PDP 11/38 against people in the SUNY computer system, and as a final project for basic wrote a short 35 000 line program to play a teaching game to learn spanish. My only current geek cred is my computer monitor is the biggest screen in the house, followed by 2 22" tube monitors, and then the dinky 19" television… ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/152 "2009-03-14T17:49:11Z")
Looks like we’re getting 3.1 this Tuesday. I just hopped on to browse the AH and I noticed the background downloader grabbing the 3.1 files. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/153 "2009-03-14T18:00:49Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Looks like we’re getting 3.1 this Tuesday. I just hopped on to browse the AH and I noticed the background downloader grabbing the 3.1 files. Yep, saw that last night on the launcher. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/154 "2009-03-14T22:38:09Z")
I cannot wait for this patch. Is there any way that I can not just get rid of my quiver/ammo pouch, but set it on fire and dance over the ashes. That is something that I would really really really like to do. I don’t think I’m going to know what to do with all the extra space. Yeah. 16 slots or so isn’t that much space, but after 75 levels without it it seems like a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Viscera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/258eb7/32.png) [@Viscera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Viscera)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/155 "2009-03-15T02:29:34Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yep, saw that last night on the launcher. Doesn’t that just mean we are pre-downloading some of the files that won’t change (such as the Uldaar graphics)? Since 3.1 has only been on the PTR for like 2 weeks now, I’m not sure we are getting it this week. I’d still expect maybe another 2 weeks at the earliest. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/156 "2009-03-15T03:37:35Z")
The hell? My game is trying to download the 3.1 patch right now, and I can’t even log in. At 8:30 PM PDT? On a Saturday night? ETA: And as soon as I posted that, I tried logging in again and got right through. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/157 "2009-03-15T04:10:07Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > The hell? My game is trying to download the 3.1 patch right now, and I can’t even log in. At 8:30 PM PDT? On a Saturday night? > > ETA: And as soon as I posted that, I tried logging in again and got right through. Background download. It won’t actually go live until it goes live. It’s just trying to sock away as much of the data as it can right now. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/158 "2009-03-15T04:30:47Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Background download. It won’t actually go live until it goes live. It’s just trying to sock away as much of the data as it can right now. Eh. I saw it had downloaded 384k of 555MB, and that number wasn’t going up. I’ll just launch the game before I go to work on Tuesday and let it do its thing then. Oh, and my pally just cracked 1000g, at lvl 58 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/159 "2009-03-15T06:34:38Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Oh, and my pally just cracked 1000g, at lvl 58 😃 Harrumph. I only have 511 gold on my 58 Pally right now. According to the Statistics screen, though, I’ve collected 2199.39.77. I didn’t realize I’d spent so much before. ---
**Author:** ![GameHat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ed655f/32.png) [@GameHat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GameHat)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/160 "2009-03-15T07:02:48Z")
Unrelated - I’ve recently cautiously come back to WoW. I was badly addicted 2005-2006 – raiding every night, probably playing 30-40 hours / week. I’ve started playing again with the resolve to never join a full time raiding guild again. My lowbie mage (40-something) just got a random drop of an [Underworld Band](http://thottbot.com/i1980) After a fun few hours of negotiating, I sold it for 750g. Fun times. WoW is such a great game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=9)