# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1581 "2009-06-02T21:17:26Z")
Oh dear, Blizzard has released the preview for the [new tauren druid cat form](http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/images/druid/ss3.jpg) and they sure look nice. Even though I kind of like the current NE cat form, after having seen the tauren version I can’t wait to see what us pointy eared tree huggers are getting. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1582 "2009-06-02T21:18:44Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I’m probably going to dual-spec as Holy and Protection at 80, since once I get into raiding with the guild, I think the need for DPS will be a lot less. Holy in particular will be interesting; Paladins appear to have their own style of effective healing and aren’t just a poor man’s Cleric/Priest. 1.) As to whether you’ll be more needed as a tank/healer than DPS… that’ll depend on your guild. IIRC, Ret Pallies are one of the specs that get Replenishment, which is absolutely essential (i.e., they build encounters assuming that the raid group will have people with it). Tank slots tend to get filled pretty early, too. If I had to take a WAG, I’d predict you’ll end up Ret/Holy. 2.) Blizz is getting better at balancing their tanks and healers. We’re not cookie-cutter, but we do have much wider applications while still retaining our individual strengths. Holy Pallies, for example, make great tank healers. > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > **Demo** was tanking and I was trying to stay behind him, but sometimes I moved in closer to do my Crusader Strike and to keep my FCFS cycle going with very little wait time; now I realize that I might have been pulling some of the mob, (or worse yet the Boss) onto me by proximity and not using a threat meter at all. 1.) When you say “behind him”… Do you mean you were standing behind the tank? Don’t do that. You should whenever humanly possible be standing behind the boss (or to the side if it’s got something like a tail swipe mechanic). Standing in front of the boss is reserved for tanks and, in some fights, off-tanks. DPS or healers in front of the boss run the risk of cleaves, breaths, and other nasty stuff that should only hit the one person with the gear and talents to avoid, mitigate, or soak the damage. There are a handful of fights where you’ll need to be in front of the boss, and you’ll be explicitly told which these are. (E.g., stacking for Kor’Thazz on Horsemen in Naxx to split Meteor damage.) 2.) Once a mob has been engaged, you can’t cause threat by mere proximity. The only way you will body pull is by running ahead of the tank to hit things that have not yet been aggro’d. (Technically, you can’t cause threat by mere proximity when engaging the mob, either–it puts you \*on \*their threat table, but with a value of 0.) 3.) Not having a threat meter is a bad. Get one. (Go to [curse.com](http://curse.com), search for Omen.) 4.) If you pulled aggro, you’d know it, because the boss or trash mobs would have been hitting you instead of the tank. Make sure you have target-of-target enabled–in the default Blizzard UI, this is somewhere under interface options. It adds a little portait to the corner of your current target’s portrait showing who they have targeted. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1583 "2009-06-02T21:47:15Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > As a level 80 Ret Pally, I’m still a newb when it comes to 5-mans and trying to do DPS without stepping over my boundaries. Now I’m beginning to think that I was the weak link in our 5 man runs a couple of nights ago. **Demo** was tanking and I was trying to stay behind him, but sometimes I moved in closer to do my Crusader Strike and to keep my FCFS cycle going with very little wait time; now I realize that I might have been pulling some of the mob, (or worse yet the Boss) onto me by proximity and not using a threat meter at all. Newb error on my part. If anyone who was with me in that group, please speak up and let me know if that was indeed the case. I just thought my job was to follow close behind the tank and just unload whatever I had in my arsenal. If this is the Heroic Utgarde Pinnacle run that you’re referring to then I don’t think that was the issue - I had my meter up the whole time and never saw you stealing threat from Demo (he’s too good a tank for that 🙂 ). That particular run just fell apart at Skadi cause we didn’t have the fight mechanics down and folks kept getting fragged by the whirlwind - I think he randomly targets someone for the whirlwind so your threat had nothing to do with it. You can’t really survive it - you just have to run away (things like Deadly Boss Mods will help you know when it’s coming so you can run away). If you’re referring to a different 5-man run then \. That said, get Omen - you’ll never be in doubt again. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1584 "2009-06-02T21:49:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) As to whether you’ll be more needed as a tank/healer than DPS… that’ll depend on your guild. IIRC, Ret Pallies are one of the specs that get Replenishment, which is absolutely essential (i.e., they build encounters assuming that the raid group will have people with it). Tank slots tend to get filled pretty early, too. If I had to take a WAG, I’d predict you’ll end up Ret/Holy. Replenishment _is_ freakin’ sweet, this is true. 3.75% mana per application doesn’t sound like a lot, but using Judgments consistently every time CD finishes means we never run out of mana. In fact, during the run in Scholomance, the Mage and I were killing things so fast that I barely had time to apply Judgments, and I wound up burning out on mana constantly. Edit: On further investigation, that’s because [Judgements of the Wise](http://www.wowwiki.com/Judgements_of_the_Wise) grants me 25% base mana each time. So it’s not just Replenishment. :smack: Still, it’s darn tasty. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1585 "2009-06-02T21:49:37Z")
“That is **bound** to me!” Does it seem to any of y’all, like that guy’s next words oughta be, “It’s my preciouss!”😉 Today, I was asked by an elf to help kill two thrashers over on RedRidge. I told him first of all I am no good in PUG’s, but he only needed two kills, so I relented and joined up. By the time I got to him, he was already embattled and all I was able to do was join in late and kill three of them on my own after he died. My bags were full at that time, so I hope he was able to rezz and loot them. I sent him a mail with 50 silver along with an apology that I wasn’t more help. Also, someone named “Tweester” saved Wolkie’s ass a couple of times this afternoon. Once with Level 24 Goretusks and once with Blackrock baddies. Thanks if that help came from here… 😉 One more thing: Over in The Burning Steppes, what is with this “Level ??” Humanoids who keep attacking me? Maybe Wolkie and me shouldn’t be there??? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1586 "2009-06-02T21:56:33Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > One more thing: Over in The Burning Steppes, what is with this “Level ??” Humanoids who keep attacking me? Maybe Wolkie and me shouldn’t be there??? Yeah, you definitely don’t want to head that way… Mobs that are significantly higher level than you (5 I believe) will show up as ??. You basically walked into a level 50-60 zone - and likely got killed in one blow by the welcoming committee. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1587 "2009-06-02T21:57:31Z")
The Burning Steppes and Searing Gorge are the outlying territory around Blackrock Mountain. The mountain is a veritable fortress, used during the Great War by the bloodlusted Horde, and now by the remnants of it, manipulated by the stronger of the two surviving progeny of the black Dragon Aspect. Underneath the mountain is the capital city (and now only remaining one…) of the Dark Iron Empire, which itself burrows so far beneath the surface, that it’s breached an entrance to the Molten Core, wherin lies the Firelord Ragnaros. Back in the day, Blackrock Mountain was the home of all the biggest and nastiest baddies on Azeroth. So, yeah, you probably don’t want to be going there fresh out of the Deadmines 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1588 "2009-06-02T22:03:05Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Yeah, you definitely don’t want to head that way… Mobs that are significantly higher level than you (5 I believe) No, I recently graduated to 22, but thanks for the advice anyway. I WILL stay out of there for now. Q ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1589 "2009-06-02T22:04:31Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > That particular run just fell apart at Skadi cause we didn’t have the fight mechanics down and folks kept getting fragged by the whirlwind - I think he randomly targets someone for the whirlwind so your threat had nothing to do with it. Yes, the WW target is random, which is why the tank should have Skadi up at the harpoons with the melee, while your ranged and healers stay further down the corridor at max range. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > One more thing: Over in The Burning Steppes, what is with this “Level ??” Humanoids who keep attacking me? Maybe Wolkie and me shouldn’t be there??? Correctamundo! Gray level in the portrait = easy kill, no experience Green = easy kill, less XP Yellow = average kill Orange = hard kill Red = will probably kill you ?? = is gonna smoosh your face Skull = boss, is REALLY gonna smoosh your face, and for various calculation purposes such as crit and miss is equal to your level plus three Burning Steppes is somewhere you’re going to head in your 50s. If you’ve run out of things to go in Redridge, try heading down into Duskwood. Just because a level adjoins the one you’re in doesn’t mean it’s a good place to go. (Consider that Western Plaguelands, a 50-ish zone, directly adjoins Tirisfal Glades, the Undead starting zone. My first-ever toon was an Undead Warrior, and boy did a Welcome Bear give her a big hug when she went to see what was past the Bulwark. \>\< ) Oh, and \*\*Jas09 \*\*was saying mobs five levels higher than your level, not that your level was 5. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1590 "2009-06-02T22:07:57Z")
> [@Mekhazzio](#): > > So, yeah, you probably don’t want to be going there fresh out of the Deadmines 😃 Hell,\*\* Mekhazzio\*\*, I ain’t out of the mines _yet_! Still need to decapitate Van Cleef! 🙂 Is there any way I can do that by myself, or should I just abandon that quest? Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1591 "2009-06-02T22:10:46Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Oh, and \*\*Jas09 \*\*was saying mobs five levels higher than your level, not that your level was 5. Doh! Sorry, **JasO9**! :smack: Consider the source, please! And thanks **SFG** , that went into my notes right next to the computer! 🙂 Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1592 "2009-06-02T22:26:10Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Doh! > > Sorry, **JasO9**! :smack: > > Consider the source, please! No worries. And I was wrong anyways - a mob five levels higher will be Red. A mob **10** levels higher or more will be ??. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1593 "2009-06-02T23:00:41Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Oh dear, Blizzard has released the preview for the [new tauren druid cat form](http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/images/druid/ss3.jpg) and they sure look nice. Even though I kind of like the current NE cat form, after having seen the tauren version I can’t wait to see what us pointy eared tree huggers are getting. 🙂 Hmmm. I wonder what’s up with the different colors. Do you get to choose what color your cat form will be? Is it based on what color the tauren him/herself is? It will be interesting to find out! Re: Raiding/instances: I was fishing in the Dalaran fountain the other night (yay, I finally fished up Arugal’s Gold Coin to complete the set and got [The Coin Master]! And then almost immediately afterward I went into the sewers and fished up a [Giant Sewer Rat].) and that gnome DK I was talking about a short while ago whispered and started begging me to come do [For The Alliance!] with her. Geeez I had to give a long list of excuses to beg off that one. “Don’t you need 40 people for that?” “I’m not geared for that sort of thing.” “I’ve never even done a 5-man instance in a group, I sure wouldn’t know what I’m doing raiding a capital city.” She gave up when I explained that “I’m working on [The Coin Master] right now.” :rolleyes: Also in Dalaran — has anybody seen this on other servers? — [it appears that the bank steps are a popular sunbathing locale for vacationing gnomes](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/dalaran_bank_sunbathers.jpg). I like to leave a little Rag Doll present for the cute little gnomies 😃 Meanwhile, [my bank alt (in the hat) decided to enter the Miss Stormwind pageant](http://www.mister-rik.com/hosted/miss_sw.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1594 "2009-06-02T23:09:51Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Hmmm. I wonder what’s up with the different colors. Do you get to choose what color your cat form will be? Is it based on what color the tauren him/herself is? It will be interesting to find out! The new bear/cat skins are mapped to the caster form hair colour for night elves and the skin colour for taurens. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1595 "2009-06-03T00:33:05Z")
This must have been discussed before by people better “brained-up” than me, so forgive me if it has, but if you don’t mind taking another look would you consider these thoughts and comment (either way), please? 1. Heretofore (_love_ that word!:)), I have been a kind of “Casper Milquetoast” when it comes to conflicts involving fighting and I have always favored diplomacy over combat. But you cannot do that on WoW, can you? I mean, depending on the character you choose, you are going to have to go on the defensive and maybe stay that way for a very long time. In other words, you may have to kill some folks. So what’s my point? Simply this: Is this game getting our kids into a “fight the battle no matter what the outcome” - mentality, so that when the time comes in Real Life, they’ll be “ready”? Y’all are gonna _guffaw_ at me, arentcha? 😃 That’s okay. I need to hear all sides of a discussion, pro or con. Even if it makes me look silly… 1. In that same vein, is the game teaching us other things? Spending money wisely, for instance? Making friends (grouping) Chivalry? Unity? I would be interested in reading your thoughts - whatever they may be. Thanks Quasi/Bill (and from Alextrasia -still cannot spell that right) Wolkenlaufre or Wolkie for short. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1596 "2009-06-03T03:51:29Z")
1. Will the game let you accidentally sell quest items? I thought I got enough snouts over in Red Ridge, but all of a sudden, I am at zero, and I’m afraid I might have sold them off, not knowing. 1. “Not Enough Rage”, “I Can’t Do That Yet”, “That’s Not Ready Yet”… and stuff. Can other players hear that guy say that shit, if they’re in your virginity? Thanks Quasi and Wolkie (“just doin’ the best that we can”! :)) ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1597 "2009-06-03T04:15:38Z")
Something is wrong with the game. I am losing my quest totals. Right now it’s the Snouts and the Condors I am losing the totals on. I only have 5/5 Spiders in the bags, and that’s it. ! ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1598 "2009-06-03T05:12:07Z")
w00t! Level 80! At last! Who is this “Rhonin” fellow who sent me a gift and a letter of congratulation? ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1599 "2009-06-03T05:15:00Z")
Grats! Rhonin is the leader of the Kirin Tor, and he hangs out in The Violet Citadel in Dalaran. He gives out a quest for the Violet Hold. ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1600 "2009-06-03T05:58:17Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > 1. Will the game let you accidentally sell quest items? > > I thought I got enough snouts over in Red Ridge, but all of a sudden, I am at zero, and I’m afraid I might have sold them off, not knowing. > > 1. “Not Enough Rage”, “I Can’t Do That Yet”, “That’s Not Ready Yet”… and stuff. > > Can other players hear that guy say that shit, if they’re in your virginity? > > Thanks > > Quasi and Wolkie (“just doin’ the best that we can”! :)) They can hear some of your attack sounds and casting sounds but no they don’t hear the ‘not enough rage’ if they’re in your…virginity? Most quest items you can’t sell unless they are also ‘regular’ drops as well. In this case snouts are also cooking items so they’re sellable as they will drop if you have the quest for them or not. Another possibility is that you used them to cook other items or perhaps you have slightly the wrong type IE Goretusk Snouts when you need Greater Goretusk Snouts or something similar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=81)