# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1601 "2009-06-03T06:00:31Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > 1. Will the game let you accidentally sell quest items? > > I thought I got enough snouts over in Red Ridge, but all of a sudden, I am at zero, and I’m afraid I might have sold them off, not knowing. Usually no, but in case of some quests such as cooking quests, yes, the items can be sold as they’re not properly labeled as quest items so that players can sell them on the Auction House if they want to. Most quest items cannot be sold or traded, though. > [@](#): > > 1. “Not Enough Rage”, “I Can’t Do That Yet”, “That’s Not Ready Yet”… and stuff. > > Can other players hear that guy say that shit, if they’re in your virginity? No, they cannot. Also, the word you’re looking for is “vicinity”. Virginity is… something very common in the WoW community. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1602 "2009-06-03T07:43:49Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > w00t! Level 80! At last! > > Who is this “Rhonin” fellow who sent me a gift and a letter of congratulation? Gratz! ---
**Author:** ![MindWanderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@MindWanderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindWanderer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1603 "2009-06-03T10:14:43Z")
God I hate creatures that run when they are almost dead. I was doing a quest this morning. Level 14 creatures (my rogue is level 17), and I died 2 times in less than 3 minutes. First of all, they packed the Venture Co guys in way to tight, and secondly, everytime I almost killed one, he ran off and aggroed half the Venture Co site. It didn’t matter what I tried, it was just one huge aggro train each time I finished one of them off. The respawn rate in lots of places in the barrens is way too high. Every time I turn around, there’s another one. I don’t think I can actually complete this supposedly easy quest, until I totally outlevel these guys. I was supposed to activate this machine for a quest in ratchet, and it told me to head up north. Just trying to get onto the stairway leading up there was a huge fight involving tons of the venture co operatives. I can’t imagine how anyone at level with these guys could finish the quest. There are constantly hordes of venture co on every side. I think I’m going to head to the Blood Elf zones. The quests in the expansions seem to be a lot better designed. I felt like throwing my monitor out the window this morning, and that’s not something I want to experience often with WoW. On the plus side, I trained up my lockpicking to 85 earlier. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1604 "2009-06-03T11:35:09Z")
> [@MindWanderer](#): > > God I hate creatures that run when they are almost dead. I was doing a quest this morning. Level 14 creatures (my rogue is level 17), and I died 2 times in less than 3 minutes. First of all, they packed the Venture Co guys in way to tight, and secondly, everytime I almost killed one, he ran off and aggroed half the Venture Co site. It didn’t matter what I tried, it was just one huge aggro train each time I finished one of them off. Gouge is your stunning ability at that level. Use it when you see the mob’s health down to about 1/3, then finish him off while he’s stunned. Note that Gouge will take you out of combat, so you won’t automatically hit the stunned mob and wake him up with a low-damage attack. After you Gouge, use SS or Eviscerate to administer the coup de grace. ---
**Author:** ![BadBadger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@BadBadger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BadBadger)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1605 "2009-06-03T12:09:36Z")
Also, you’ll get access to poisons soon. (Can’t recall whn, perhaps 20) That will give you crippling poison which applies a slow effect to your victim. Kidney Shot is probably learnt around that time too so things will get a lot easier. ---
**Author:** ![MindWanderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@MindWanderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindWanderer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1606 "2009-06-03T12:14:14Z")
Yeah I forget about gouge. Its frustrating to see how fragile rogues can be. I’m used to my priest where I can just keep healing myself up and outlive fights. With my rogue its kill or be killed. I probably should have stealthed up the stairs to see if the machine I had to activate was guarded. I was playing my rogue too much like a warrior and just making a frontal assault 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1607 "2009-06-03T14:37:39Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > Usually no, but in case of some quests such as cooking quests, yes, the items can be sold as they’re not properly labeled as quest items so that players can sell them on the Auction House if they want to. Most quest items cannot be sold or traded, though. Well my quest items are disappearing. This morning I logged on and my 5 condor meat items are gone now too, and I know I didn’t sell those because they were among the last quest I did last night before bed. They are not in the bank. I looked. So right now I’m having to start overe with the snouts and the condor meat. Could someone have hacked my game account or does this happen regularly? And no, it ain’t the friggin Alzheimer’s. 😉 Quasi ---
**Author:** ![Redwing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dfb087/32.png) [@Redwing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redwing)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1608 "2009-06-03T14:44:24Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Every time people start talking about raid stuff, I start to remember why I don’t do that part of the game. It sounds like WORK, not fun… I have fun doing it. I like the group coordination, the required research, and the rush that comes with completing something difficult. Failure also doesn’t have the type of consequence it does at work. But that’s just me. > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I should have specified: and this was why I hated running with anyone I didn’t know. But honestly, if someone has the choice of running with a Pally tank, who could hold everything while it gets AOE’d down, and a Warrior tank, who needed you to CC mobs and/or focus fire on one target at a time, why \*wouldn’t \*they pick the Pally? Now that Warriors have better AOE threat, I can’t remember the last time I had someone use CC in an instance or on trash mobs in a raid. We use CC on Freya, Mimiron, and Vezax trash. With the nerfs those pulls seem to be getting every couple of weeks, as well as our increasing gear level, I doubt that we’ll still be CC them in six weeks time :(. Well, I never cared what kind of tank we got. Then again, I knew that there were two competent dps already in the group, and I knew what we could and could not CC. Usually ran with at least one other guildie in the tank or heal role, so we could carry anyone who wasn’t an outright moron. > [@](#): > > Too, DPS are even now really locked into a “you hold everything while I smack it right now and I shouldn’t have to wait” mentality. Part of the reason I’m in the guild I’m in now instead of the raiding guild I originally transferred servers to join is that their omgz uber leetz DPS couldn’t wrap their minds around the idea of the Warrior tank that they drastically overgeared needing a second or two to establish aggro, especially on a moving fight where the boss was out of range of any threat-generating abilities half the time. :rolleyes: Until we started trying Hodir hard mode, we haven’t had anyone pull off of a tank since the week 3.0 came out. (It’s been so long since pushing to the threat cap was likely or required) We don’t put up with stupid like that, as it slows progression, and progression is what being a raiding guild is all about. We just brought in a new DK tank to some of our progression nights. He’s not yet fully geared the way the rest of our tanks are. No one even needed to be told to watch their threat. I love my guild. > [@](#): > > **Bosstone** , try running DM or Scholo with an appropriately balanced group next time (i.e., a real tank and, if you’re Ret instead of Holy, a real healer). I guarantee you’ll have more fun (assuming the people in question aren’t jerks or morons, of course). This. And it’s an awesome chain to go through, better than the (horde) pally mount quest. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1609 "2009-06-03T14:44:26Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > Also, the word you’re looking for is “vicinity”. Virginity is… something very common in the WoW community. Heh. Looks like I made a Freudian slip, there, huh? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1610 "2009-06-03T15:41:40Z")
> [@Quasimodem](#): > > Hell,\*\* Mekhazzio\*\*, I ain’t out of the mines _yet_! Still need to decapitate Van Cleef! 🙂 > > Is there any way I can do that by myself, or should I just abandon that quest? Any quest that says (Dungeon) next to it in your log is a quest you will need a group for until you are very, very, very far past its intended level, because it will be located in an instanced dungeon (“instance” or “dungeon”) that contains Elite mobs that are much harder to kill and hit much harder than normal mobs, so they require a group. If you’ve given up on group quests, abandon it, but the rewards from group quests, and the loot you’ll get in instances off bosses, are so much better than what you’ll get by yourself out in the world, that you should really reconsider. Try going in as DPS instead of a tank. > [@Mogle](#): > > The new bear/cat skins are mapped to the caster form hair colour for night elves and the skin colour for taurens. Note that Tauren will gain the ability to change their hide color through the barbershops when this patch drops. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > 1. Heretofore (_love_ that word!:)), I have been a kind of “Casper Milquetoast” when it comes to conflicts involving fighting and I have always favored diplomacy over combat. > > But you cannot do that on WoW, can you? I mean, depending on the character you choose, you are going to have to go on the defensive and maybe stay that way for a very long time. There is no diplomacy option, in WoW, really… There are very few times you have any choice at all, other than “accept quest” or “not accept quest,” and those choices are always going to come down to “which faction will I align myself with… and then go kill things for.” It \*is \*possible to level without killing anyone, it just takes a long, long, long time. (There was an article on WoW Insider a while back about someone with a character who decided to do just that.) But WoW isn’t the kind of RPG where you can choose to try to talk someone around to your point of view instead of fighting them. > [@Reverse](#): > > Virginity is… something very common in the WoW community. Clearly, we don’t play with the same people. 😃 > [@MindWanderer](#): > > God I hate creatures that run when they are almost dead. I was doing a quest this morning. Level 14 creatures (my rogue is level 17), and I died 2 times in less than 3 minutes. First of all, they packed the Venture Co guys in way to tight, and secondly, everytime I almost killed one, he ran off and aggroed half the Venture Co site. It didn’t matter what I tried, it was just one huge aggro train each time I finished one of them off. Besides the Gouge option someone else mentioned, and the Stealth one you did, have you thought about how you’re pulling? If you’re in a situation where you can’t just Stealth your way through to the end, make sure you’re standing back and pulling the mob back to you with your ranged weapon, so that you have some time to kill/stun/slow/whatever before they reach a friend. Make the mob come to you–don’t run up to the mob. Also, make sure that when you’re fighting a mob with a flee mechanic that you ration your energy and time your combo points for a good finishing move to hit them with the second they turn to run. > [@Quasimodem](#): > > Could someone have hacked my game account or does this happen regularly? If someone had hacked your account, they’d do more than just sell off your quest mats. I’ve never seen quest materials just disappear before–unless it’s a bug, the three options are: (1) you sold them accidentally; (2) you destroyed them to make room for something else in your bags; (3) you put them in the bank. Quest items that are in the bank can’t be used until you pull them back out again. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1611 "2009-06-03T16:49:16Z")
All the quest items you’re missing are cooking ingredients, **Quasi** , which means they’re not designated “Quest Item” and that it’s possible to sell them to a vendor. I think you may have just accidentally done that. It’s extremely unlikely that someone would hack your account and then just sell off your quest items. Actually, at lvl 22, it’s extremely unlikely that someone would hack your account at all…you’re low level and you don’t have ANY instance gear that can be profitably disenchanted or vendored (since you haven’t done many instances yet). People hack into accounts of lvl 80s with all Northrend purples and maybe a piece of orange, not the accounts of lvl 22s with mostly, if not all, Old World greens. ---
**Author:** ![MindWanderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@MindWanderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindWanderer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1612 "2009-06-03T17:14:54Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Besides the Gouge option someone else mentioned, and the Stealth one you did, have you thought about how you’re pulling? If you’re in a situation where you can’t just Stealth your way through to the end, make sure you’re standing back and pulling the mob back to you with your ranged weapon, so that you have some time to kill/stun/slow/whatever before they reach a friend. Make the mob come to you–don’t run up to the mob. > > Also, make sure that when you’re fighting a mob with a flee mechanic that you ration your energy and time your combo points for a good finishing move to hit them with the second they turn to run. I need to upgrade my throwing knives, but also it looks like things will continue to get better once I get into the 20s. Some good thoughts on conserving energy as well. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1613 "2009-06-03T17:21:57Z")
> [@MindWanderer](#): > > I need to upgrade my throwing knives, but also it looks like things will continue to get better once I get into the 20s. Some good thoughts on conserving energy as well. Ehh, I don’t think anyone (but hunters) really uses ranged weapons for actual damage value. The knives are just to pull with. ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1614 "2009-06-03T17:31:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > For some people, work like this is fun. I enjoy the challenge of a new boss, learning the fights, **getting new gear** , tightening up my spec and my ability priorities to be the best tank I can be. Here’s the problem I have with raiding. For most of the endgame raids (not even the latest introduced, which I can expect) every time I’ve offered to be one of the healers with my Druid, and no not even the primary healer, I get told no because I’m not “geared” for it. I presume to be geared for Naxx or OS that I need to be in T7 gear. The problem, as I see it, is that to even GET the T7 gear, I have to…run Naxx/OS. And if I run Naxx in my cat DPS spec, I suspect I’ll get bitched at if I try to roll need on T7 healer stuff. It’s frustrating. Now, I know at least part of this is my own fault for not belonging to a guild, and probably not a little amount of bad luck souring my experiences thus far…but it’s a pain in the butt AT level 80 to even find a good understanding Alliance guild in the first place. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1615 "2009-06-03T17:44:55Z")
> [@JayRx1981](#): > > Here’s the problem I have with raiding. For most of the endgame raids (not even the latest introduced, which I can expect) every time I’ve offered to be one of the healers with my Druid, and no not even the primary healer, I get told no because I’m not “geared” for it. I presume to be geared for Naxx or OS that I need to be in T7 gear. Nah, you don’t need T7 to run Naxx or OS. You should have a good bit of heroic dungeon gear probably, mixed with some crafted stuff and maybe a PvP piece or two. [Here](http://www.wow.com/2009/01/06/shifting-perspectives-gearing-your-restoration-druid-at-80/)is a list of pre-raid Resto Druid gear you could aim for. If you have a good amount of gear from that list and they still won’t take you then it’s their problem, not yours. You are correct that if you’re running Naxx (for example) in cat spec and want some healer gear you’ll only get it if nobody else needs it for their main spec (unless you tell them ahead of time that Resto is your “main” spec and you want to be allowed to roll for that, but not dps gear - some raid leaders will allow this if its made clear ahead of time). ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1616 "2009-06-03T19:00:15Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) When you say “behind him”… Do you mean you were standing behind the tank? Don’t do that. You should whenever humanly possible be standing behind the boss (or to the side if it’s got something like a tail swipe mechanic). Standing in front of the boss is reserved for tanks and, in some fights, off-tanks. DPS or healers in front of the boss run the risk of cleaves, breaths, and other nasty stuff that should only hit the one person with the gear and talents to avoid, mitigate, or soak the damage. There are a handful of fights where you’ll need to be in front of the boss, and you’ll be explicitly told which these are. (E.g., stacking for Kor’Thazz on Horsemen in Naxx to split Meteor damage.) > > 2.) Once a mob has been engaged, you can’t cause threat by mere proximity. The only way you will body pull is by running ahead of the tank to hit things that have not yet been aggro’d. (Technically, you can’t cause threat by mere proximity when engaging the mob, either–it puts you \*on \*their threat table, but with a value of 0.) > > 3.) Not having a threat meter is a bad. Get one. (Go to [curse.com](http://curse.com), search for Omen.) > > 4.) If you pulled aggro, you’d know it, because the boss or trash mobs would have been hitting you instead of the tank. Make sure you have target-of-target enabled–in the default Blizzard UI, this is somewhere under interface options. It adds a little portait to the corner of your current target’s portrait showing who they have targeted. The first time I died, I think **Demo** said that I should try to stay to the side or behind. So the second time I did, but then I got nailed (in one shot, maybe two) by the sidekick boss (some mage I think). So on the third time, I had to stay to the side or behind the boss and then keep a third eye out for the sidekick, but somehow the aggro just did pan out as planned and we all got summarily executed _en masse_. Good times! Thanks for the advice, and I will get Omen up and going before I do another 5-man run. ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1617 "2009-06-03T19:04:02Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Nah, you don’t need T7 to run Naxx or OS. You should have a good bit of heroic dungeon gear probably, mixed with some crafted stuff and maybe a PvP piece or two. [Here](http://www.wow.com/2009/01/06/shifting-perspectives-gearing-your-restoration-druid-at-80/)is a list of pre-raid Resto Druid gear you could aim for. If you have a good amount of gear from that list and they still won’t take you then it’s their problem, not yours. Well, here’s my armory page. Keep in mind that I have tree of life and that boosts my bonus healing from the listed 932 at present to 1187 in fact. [http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&n=Dannar](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&n=Dannar) > [@](#): > > You are correct that if you’re running Naxx (for example) in cat spec and want some healer gear you’ll only get it if nobody else needs it for their main spec (unless you tell them ahead of time that Resto is your “main” spec and you want to be allowed to roll for that, but not dps gear - some raid leaders will allow this if its made clear ahead of time). I understand the reasoning behind this, of course, but it does kindof suck to potentially be called a ninja for rolling on gear that suits either of my two specs. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1618 "2009-06-03T19:07:47Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > If this is the Heroic Utgarde Pinnacle run that you’re referring to then I don’t think that was the issue - I had my meter up the whole time and never saw you stealing threat from Demo (he’s too good a tank for that 🙂 ). That particular run just fell apart at Skadi cause we didn’t have the fight mechanics down and folks kept getting fragged by the whirlwind - I think he randomly targets someone for the whirlwind so your threat had nothing to do with it. You can’t really survive it - you just have to run away (things like Deadly Boss Mods will help you know when it’s coming so you can run away). > > If you’re referring to a different 5-man run then \. > > That said, get Omen - you’ll never be in doubt again. Thanks for sorting that out for me…It was going so quickly, I couldn’t pay attention to all of those details. So…must haves are: Omen Threat Meter Deadly Boss Mods Recount (for DPS) What I do have is just…stuff that was great for soloing: Auctioneer Gatherer Quest Helper Any other must haves that won’t suck the all the remaining RAM out of my computer? ---
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1619 "2009-06-03T19:09:26Z")
Okay, I just tried to log in, and looks like the realm “Firetree” is gone… WTF is going on here, I know some realms had problems yesterday, but there’s nothing saying “some realms are down” on the log in screen. Anybody else notice missing realms? ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1620 "2009-06-03T19:20:15Z")
According to the [Realm Status](http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/) page, Firetree is up. You sure it’s not just sorted weirdly? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=80) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=82)