# World of Warcraft General Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 4, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294 "2009-03-04T17:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1621 "2009-06-03T19:30:03Z")
Too late to edit: I got on after waiting awhile, but does anyone know what is happening? Have similar issues? know where to find answers to such questions? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1622 "2009-06-03T19:34:04Z")
> [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](#): > > Too late to edit: > I got on after waiting awhile, but does anyone know what is happening? Have similar issues? know where to find answers to such questions? They’ve been doing rolling restarts this week. My server had one yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1623 "2009-06-03T19:36:02Z")
> [@JayRx1981](#): > > Here’s the problem I have with raiding. For most of the endgame raids (not even the latest introduced, which I can expect) every time I’ve offered to be one of the healers with my Druid, and no not even the primary healer, I get told no because I’m not “geared” for it. I presume to be geared for Naxx or OS that I need to be in T7 gear. The problem, as I see it, is that to even GET the T7 gear, I have to…run Naxx/OS. And if I run Naxx in my cat DPS spec, I suspect I’ll get bitched at if I try to roll need on T7 healer stuff. It’s frustrating. 1.) If healing is what you want to do, but your Feral gear is better, try to get into a run where they’ll let you come as DPS but roll on healing gear. The important thing is to work out \*ahead of time \*which spec you’ll be treating as your main for the purposes of the run. 2.) I can’t check your equipment from work, so I can’t tell if any of this is the issue, but make sure you _get all the upgrades you can before going into Naxx as a PUG_. This means BOE epics (for healing, pick up cloth if it’s better than the leather you can find), BOE blues if you can’t find epics, and running heroics for more blues, epics off the final bosses, badges to buy more epics from the Heroism badge vendors. In my guild, someone with a blue item will get upgrade priority over someone with a green item, simply because the person with the blue item took the time to get a basic upgrade. If you’re in greens, they’re perfectly right to turn you down. > [@](#): > > Now, I know at least part of this is my own fault for not belonging to a guild, and probably not a little amount of bad luck souring my experiences thus far…but it’s a pain in the butt AT level 80 to even find a good understanding Alliance guild in the first place. 😛 What server are you on? I don’t know if you’ve considered transferring, but I can recommend a nice Alliance casual raiding guild on Borean Tundra. We’re just putting together a third 10-man team, so it would potentially be a good time to start in. > [@JayRx1981](#): > > I understand the reasoning behind this, of course, but it does kindof suck to potentially be called a ninja for rolling on gear that suits either of my two specs. ☹ It doesn’t suck, it makes sense. Hybrid classes shouldn’t get more loot just because they can potentially use it all. That’s like saying someone who’s bisexual should automatically get a boyfriend and a girlfriend regardless of how their partners feel about the situation. Gear should go to main spec first, always. The key is, with a hybrid class, their main spec and the role they are currently filling in the group may not always be the same thing. > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Any other must haves that won’t suck the all the remaining RAM out of my computer? Here’s what I run these days… **Raid-related:** **Bigwigs** : Boss mod–displays important timers and alerts for boss fights **IceHUD** : Heads-up display **Mik’s Scrolling Battle Text** : Scrolls incoming damage/heals on the left, outgoing on the right, cooldown alerts on the bottom, and other alerts on the top. **Omen** : Threat meter **Outfitter** : Equipment manager (for one-button switching between tanking sets, DPS set, naked for falling to my death, etc.) **oRA2** : Raiding mod that’s only useful if everyone has it–used by RLs to do readychecks, see who has their food buffs up, mark tanks, etc. **Recount** : Meters and ability stat breakdowns for damage, healing, dispells, deaths, etc. **Other:** **Atlas** : Maps of instances, raids, and flight points; dungeons have bosses and points of interest marked **AtlasLoot** : Database of boss drops, faction rewards, tradeskill items, etc. Can link to it out of Atlas if you have both **Auctioneer Advanced** : Tracks, analyses, and displays historical AH data **Enchantrix** : Comes with the AucAdv suite–displays what items will DE into **FishingAce** : When you equip a fishing pole, it lets you cast with a double-right-click and cranks your sound effects to max **Gatherer** : Tracks resource nodes that you and anyone else in your guild with the mod click on (herbs, ores, chests); also has an optional GathererHUD mod that will put an overlay on your screen showing where known nodes are and where you’ve been recently, very useful for farming a zone; broken as of 3.1 release, but may be fixed by now **HatTrick** : Adds checkboxes to your character screen for showing/hiding helm and cloak **MapCoords** : Displays coordinates below your portrait and on the map **QuestHelper** : Marks quest objectives on your maps, suggests routes, modifies mob tooltips to display quest drops/kills The worst memory hogs are Auctioneer and QH. I think everything else tends to be pretty low-profile. (If memory is a concern, definitely consider using BigWigs over DBM–BW only runs one mod at a time, i.e. for whatever boss you’re currently facing.) If you’re curious what some of the UI stuff looks like, here’s [a screenshot of mine](http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3406/wowscrnshot042509214113.jpg) from a month or two ago. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1624 "2009-06-03T19:38:39Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > They’ve been doing rolling restarts this week. My server had one yesterday. Assuming that \*\*Regallag\_The\_Axe \*\*meant that Firetree wasn’t just showing up as “Offline” but had in fact _disappeared from the list_, that is not related to the rolling restarts. I remember someone else in this thread a few weeks back having a friend with the same problem, only the server was Borean Tundra. **Regallag** , if it happens again, all I can tell you is to post to the Tech Support forums over at the official site. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1625 "2009-06-03T19:39:55Z")
> [@JayRx1981](#): > > Well, here’s my armory page. Keep in mind that I have tree of life and that boosts my bonus healing from the listed 932 at present to 1187 in fact. > > [http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&n=Dannar](http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&n=Dannar) Well, I don’t know enough about Resto Druids to comment very well. It seems you have a few quest greens that would be targets for upgrade, as well as a few pieces (back, second ring) that aren’t really suited for a Resto build. I would probably try running as many heroics as possible, aiming for gear spelled out in that [wow.com](http://wow.com) article I linked to. As to whether you’re Naxx-ready or not I’ll leave that to any Resto experts we have. > [@](#): > > I understand the reasoning behind this, of course, but it does kindof suck to potentially be called a ninja for rolling on gear that suits either of my two specs. ☹ Well, you’ll never be called a ninja if you make it clear its for offspec and defer to others that are rolling for mainspec. It’s really not that hard to gear up with heroics/craftable BoE/reputation/PvP before going to Naxx or OS. In fact, looking at your Armory page it seems you haven’t run any Northrend dungeons at all. If you’re interested in running raids, you should really try to run the Heroic 5-mans first (both for gear and for experience). ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1626 "2009-06-03T19:42:55Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Assuming that \*\*Regallag\_The\_Axe \*\*meant that Firetree wasn’t just showing up as “Offline” but had in fact _disappeared from the list_, that is not related to the rolling restarts. I remember someone else in this thread a few weeks back having a friend with the same problem, only the server was Borean Tundra. Ah, I misread. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1627 "2009-06-03T20:10:43Z")
Oh, and **JayRx1981** , you also want to make sure that all of your gear that can be enchanted has chants, and anything else has slot-appropriate enhancements whenever possible: a belt buckle for an extra gem slot, the shoulder inscriptions from Hodir (or Aldor/Scryer if you haven’t ground that rep out yet, which you should start doing), spellthread or an armor patch on your legs, and the head enhancement that comes of of whatever Northrend faction gives the healing one (the tanking one is from the Argent Crusade, e.g.). If your profession offers any kind of gear bonuses, make sure you use those, too. If you’re a Chanter, chant your rings. If you’re a BS, put in your extra gem slots. If you’re a Scribe, make the high-level shoulder inscriptions that are better than the best Hodir ones. A site that can be a good reference for this kind of thing is [WoW Heroes](http://www.wow-heroes.com). It will do a basic analysis of your gear, gems, and chants, and give you an idea of what kind of encounters that gear qualifies you for. It will also give suggestions for upgrades for your current chants/enhancements if you have a lower-quality enhancement (or none) on a slot. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1628 "2009-06-03T20:22:13Z")
It’s been a weird thing, at least in Europe: people were getting weird messages (“wrong version”). I think it’s linked to the “tying accounts to [battle.net](http://battle.net)” and to the battlegroup reorganizations. After a couple hours they fixed it. You don’t need **Outfitter** anymore, it’s been added to the UI. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1629 "2009-06-03T20:34:52Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > It’s been a weird thing, at least in Europe: people were getting weird messages (“wrong version”). I think it’s linked to the “tying accounts to [battle.net](http://battle.net)” and to the battlegroup reorganizations. No, that was a problem with the patch downloader. It wasn’t working properly for some people, so they’d be trying to log on with the old, pre-patch version. > [@](#): > > You don’t need **Outfitter** anymore, it’s been added to the UI. I haven’t tried playing around with the new UI equipment manager yet, but I can tell you that there are still some things that Outfitter can do that the Blizz manager can’t. For instance, I know for a fact it won’t do automation (e.g., switching gear when you switch specs). I can’t imagine that it would give me the separate action bar for some of my outfits, either. ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1630 "2009-06-03T21:04:09Z")
I guess raiding isn’t for me. I’m already sick to death of grinding for things that I actually _wanted_ to achieve (working on the two Cenarion factions rep right now). To hear that I have to grind even more just be able to raid in Naxx…well, it doesn’t sound fun. So I’ll bow out. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1631 "2009-06-03T21:15:24Z")
> [@JayRx1981](#): > > I guess raiding isn’t for me. I’m already sick to death of grinding for things that I actually _wanted_ to achieve (working on the two Cenarion factions rep right now). To hear that I have to grind even more just be able to raid in Naxx…well, it doesn’t sound fun. > > So I’ll bow out. Well, if it doesn’t sound like fun then you definitely shouldn’t do it - there’s more than enough to do in the game without it. That said… I haven’t “grinded” a single faction rep or dungeon. The only “grinding” I do is some dailies to make cash. All you need to do is run the heroic dungeons a few times and scoop up all the Resto gear that drops. If you just join LookingForGroup for the heroic that is the Daily Heroic quest you should have no problem getting pretty solid groups. Also, since you’ll be the only healer for a 5-man you have dibs on any healer loot that drops. I guess I just don’t see how running a few 5-mans is grinding if you’ve never run them before - sounds more like exploring new content to me. And really I’m not sure you can function well in a 10-man raid without healing 5-mans first… I know you’ve done a few at lower levels but your level-80 skills are gonna be quite different. Faction rep grinding (for factions that don’t have heroic dungeon tabards) is waaay more annoying than running 5-mans, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1632 "2009-06-03T21:24:12Z")
Yeah, the only raid-related grinding is Hodir rep to get the shoulder inscriptions, unless you run the same Heroic over and over to get a particular item that you want. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1633 "2009-06-03T21:25:50Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Faction rep grinding (for factions that don’t have heroic dungeon tabards) is waaay more annoying than running 5-mans, IMO. My GF wants the title [the Insane](http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Insane). _shudder_ Thankfully she doesn’t expect me to join her, she’s got a friend that also wants the title. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1634 "2009-06-03T21:26:52Z")
Basically, my only goal is to be sufficiently tricked out in, what, another year or so to go kick sand in Arthas’ face. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1635 "2009-06-03T21:33:26Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > My GF wants the title [the Insane](http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Insane). _shudder_ Thankfully she doesn’t expect me to join her, she’s got a friend that also wants the title. Now **that** is a grind! ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1636 "2009-06-04T01:34:15Z")
Dude, he has no **life** outside of WoW, apparently! I like it there too, and I have fun with the role playing, but not to the point where I neglect my hygiene my finances (or my wife! ;)) (not necessarily in that order) And it sounded like his wife is an “enabler”. I am currently at my wife’s apartment and cannot gdet to WoW, but **jayjay** , I’ll take a look at my Red Ridge Goulash quest when I can and see what’s still there. It may very well be that I sold those body parts; hell, I don’t discount _anything_ these days! 😃 (Actually, I am downloading WoW on her computer as we speak. I had forgot how LONG that takes, so I can’t play until all the updaters run anyway) Thanks Q ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1637 "2009-06-04T01:55:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > A site that can be a good reference for this kind of thing is [WoW Heroes](http://www.wow-heroes.com). It will do a basic analysis of your gear, gems, and chants, and give you an idea of what kind of encounters that gear qualifies you for. It will also give suggestions for upgrades for your current chants/enhancements if you have a lower-quality enhancement (or none) on a slot. Yeah, but you have to be Level 70.☹ I was so excited, 'cause this sounded like just what I need! Oh well!🙂 Q ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1638 "2009-06-04T08:11:02Z")
Attempted Zul’Farrak with the help of some high levelled guild mates, great fun and that bit at the pyramid (which I don’t want to ruin for anyone as I had no idea what was going to happen and it was amazing) is worth the subscription alone. However we couldn’t find the final boss - it looked like there was a gate opposite the pyramid but it wasn’t open and after 10 minutes of searching we didn’t find a way in. Any ideas? What did we miss? ---
**Author:** ![MindWanderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@MindWanderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindWanderer)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1639 "2009-06-04T11:38:10Z")
You probably missed the last part. You need to go back down the steps and talk with one of the npcs down there. I forget which one. Then there is another battle, I think that’s the last battle. I always had someone around when I ran ZF who knew who to talk to, but I would recommend talking to everyone down there until the next scene triggers. ---
**Author:** ![martu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@martu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martu)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294/1640 "2009-06-04T12:04:21Z")
> [@MindWanderer](#): > > You probably missed the last part. > > You need to go back down the steps and talk with one of the npcs down there. I forget which one. Then there is another battle, I think that’s the last battle. > > I always had someone around when I ran ZF who knew who to talk to, but I would recommend talking to everyone down there until the next scene triggers. Ah right we let them stroll off into the distance then went exploring trying to find the last boss, plenty of other mobs to kill elsewhere. Not great design really, now we have to do it all again. Oh well it’s good XP and that pyramid scene is worth it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-general-discussion/488294.md?page=83)