# World of Warcraft questions **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 18, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802 "2008-12-18T20:40:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/41 "2008-12-20T00:59:28Z")
As long as you’re taking the tram anyway, there are a few quests you can do on and around the tram, including an entertaining “Pied Piper” quest. Easy as pie. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > With my paladin, I’ve developed a good strategy for engaging enemies that flee when they get low on HP, particularly those like the Defias bunch who run for help and come back at you with a buddy. I pound on them until they try to flee, and as soon as they run I hit them with that paladin spell (can’t recall the name offhand) that stuns them for a few seconds. That way I can get in one or two more hits, which will usually kill them, before they can run for help. Sometimes that running behavior is pretty handy. It saves a lot of running around time. I’ll often park somewhere and attack a mob from a distance. It runs to me and I beat on it. When it’s low on health, it runs off to get a friend. I prepare for the next mob (bandage, evocation, whatever), and when the old mob comes at me with a buddy, I one-shot kill the almost-dead one and attack the new one – all without having to move. With my Death Knight, I kept this going on with buzzards in Outland for quite some time. Kill one, another comes. Kill that one, another comes. A few slight movements to stay in range, and you can clear dozens of them without pausing. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Annoying quest rewards: Farmer Saldean in Westfall gives a quest to kill 20 Crop Watchers and offers a choice of a chest armor or leggings. I was level 11 or 12 when I first accepted the quest, then discovered that the Crop Watchers were all level 14/15. So I abandoned that quest, then came back to it when I was level 14. Now I could kill the Crop Watchers easily, but by that point the armor & leggings I was already wearing were better than what was being offered as a reward. So I just ended up selling the reward item. Have you selected professions yet? Should you choose enchanting, you’ll want all of those quest rewards because you can disenchant them and use the resulting shards, dust, and essences to enchant other stuff. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > What is up with these level 60+ characters who run around in level 12-15 areas blasting all the monsters and leaving me with nothing to kill/waiting around for a long time for monsters to respawn? There’s a _LOT_ of that going on since the expansion. Much of it is because Death Knights start at level 55, but they have no profession skill. So if a Death Knight wants to work up mining or skinning or herbalism, it will require a lot of running around low-level areas to get started. My mage switched professions at level 70 and ended up trotting around all the places I hadn’t visited in over a year. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Why are coyotes higher level than wolves? Wolves are bigger than coyotes. Don’t try to apply Earth critter logic to Azeroth. You’d expect wolves to be bigger than spiders, too, wouldn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/42 "2008-12-20T01:06:03Z")
> [@InvisibleWombat](#): > > Have you selected professions yet? Should you choose enchanting, you’ll want all of those quest rewards because you can disenchant them and use the resulting shards, dust, and essences to enchant other stuff. It just so happens that I did indeed choose enchanting for my paladin. I’ve disenchanted a couple things. > [@](#): > > Don’t try to apply Earth critter logic to Azeroth. You’d expect wolves to be bigger than spiders, too, wouldn’t you? Unless they’re _giant_ spiders! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/43 "2008-12-20T01:22:23Z")
Enchanting + Blacksmithing = win How do you make money? Fishing and arbitrage. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/44 "2008-12-20T02:44:50Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > - I made the discovery quite by accident that I can strip my female characters down to their underwear. Of course, I’m too mature to do that on a regular basis 😛 There used to be a patch floating around that eliminated the underwear … . ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/45 "2008-12-20T07:33:25Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Enchanting + Blacksmithing = win > > How do you make money? Fishing and arbitrage. Hmmm. Looks like a difficult combo, especially for a low level main toon. Blacksmithing is expensive to level…unless you can mine your own ore. Of course, if you can, you’d make more by selling the ore rather than using it for leveling blacksmithing. Enchanting isn’t bad, but i’d pair it with a gathering proffession to ensure ample income. Fishing doesn’t produce huge amounts of income…but it’s a must have for level 19 twinks. The hat and boots from the fishing contest rock. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/46 "2008-12-20T09:37:56Z")
Okay, what the hell was that? I made a Tauren and I’m in Bloodhoof Village, when this little gnome with a minion and their levels listed as “??” and their names in yellow text came charging into town and started slaughtering NPCs left and right. They had no trouble at all taking down the lvl 65 NPCs. Meanwhile, my log in the lower left is repeating over and over, “Bloodhoof Village is under attack!” Idjits. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/47 "2008-12-20T14:33:19Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Okay, what the hell was that? I made a Tauren and I’m in Bloodhoof Village, when this little gnome with a minion and their levels listed as “??” and their names in yellow text came charging into town and started slaughtering NPCs left and right. They had no trouble at all taking down the lvl 65 NPCs. Meanwhile, my log in the lower left is repeating over and over, “Bloodhoof Village is under attack!” > > Idjits. You can kill NPCs of the other faction, but that “Bloodhoof Village is under attack” is the Zone Defense channel…it lets players of the faction that’s being attacked know where the attacks are so they can go defend if they want to. Since you’re (I assume) on Cairne, which is NOT a PVP realm, you shouldn’t worry about it at your level. You can’t be attacked by another player unless you turn PVP on or attack them (or attack Alliance faction NPCs). Be careful, though. If you cast a spell (like a heal or a buff) on a player who HAS activated PVP, you will also get flagged and can then be attacked by other players. If you were on a PVP realm, any time you stepped into a zone that wasn’t controlled entirely by your faction (i.e., had both Horde and Alliance towns or outposts or cities, or was a completely Alliance-controlled zone), you would be flagged PVP, no exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/48 "2008-12-20T17:31:35Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Hmmm. Looks like a difficult combo, especially for a low level main toon. Blacksmithing is expensive to level…unless you can mine your own ore. Of course, if you can, you’d make more by selling the ore rather than using it for leveling blacksmithing. Ugh, yes. I decided Thursday night I was going to get my level 27 Blacksmith from skill 98 to 145 so that I could make the Shining Silver Breastplate. Even using the [Economical Blacksmithing Training](http://www.wowwiki.com/Economical_blacksmithing_training) guide, I managed to lose about 40 gold. And then yesterday I went out and spent an hour mining tin, silver, and iron, and made twice that selling it all. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/49 "2008-12-20T18:18:30Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You can kill NPCs of the other faction, but that “Bloodhoof Village is under attack” is the Zone Defense channel…it lets players of the faction that’s being attacked know where the attacks are so they can go defend if they want to. Okay, that makes sense then. They killed all the questgivers, so I ended up having to leave town and just go randomly kill things for a while until they respawned. Can anybody tell me about the Rite of Vision quest? I obtained the quest items and drank the resulting brew, while staring into the fire. Waited and waited and waited for a vision to appear in the fire, as the quest giver said would happen. Nothing. All that happened was I heard a wolf howl and text appeared in my log that said something like, “The vision looks to the northeast and lets out a loud, long howl.” Is that the whole of the “vision”? I submitted a ticket to a GM, but still hadn’t received a response by the time I logged off. This morning I have an e-mail from them that says: > [@GM](#): > > Thank you for contacting the World of Warcraft Game Master Department. > > After some research, it has been determined that the quest which you reported should be functioning properly. Game Masters are unable to provide hints regarding how to complete this quest. The following suggestions may be of assistance in your attempt to complete the quest: > > 1. Please read your quest log carefully and check the bank for any quest items. > > 2. Please check to see if you are in a Raid Group while trying to complete your quest. Unless a quest is designated as a “Raid” quest in your quest log, you will not receive quest items (or credit for quest-related kills) while in a raid group. This is part of intended functionality. To see if you are in a raid group, please click on the social button (default key: "O’). In the social window, the furthest tab on the right contains all raid information. If you are in a raid, then quest items will not drop, and quest kills will not count. > > 3. If you are running a third-party (custom) User Interface, please uninstall it and try to complete the quest again. > > 4. Please try abandoning and re-acquiring the quest. > > If none of these suggestions resolves your issue, we recommend inquiring with fellow players in-game or seeking assistance on our forums ([http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/](http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/)). Had I been able to actually chat with a GM, I might have been able to explain my question a bit more clearly - I wasn’t looking for a hint, I was just wondering inf something more was supposed to happen there. There seems to be a limit to how long your question can be when you open a ticket. I’m assuming at this point that my mistake was in expecting an actual “vision”. If the pinkish-colored text in my log was the whole vision, I can figure out how to interpret that myself. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/50 "2008-12-20T18:51:39Z")
No, the vision is a spirit wolf that appears and trots out to a cave just to the west of the lift to Thunder Bluff. If you take the road out of Bloodhoof north, over the bridge and keep going, you’ll come to a little tiny bridge over a little ravine. Turn to the left and head up into the mountains immediately to the west (avoiding or killing the wolves and cougars) and you’ll come to the cave. The next quest giver in the chain is in there, and he should be active (have the question mark over his head) even if you didn’t actually follow the vision. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/51 "2008-12-21T05:22:34Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > No, the vision is a spirit wolf that appears and trots out to a cave just to the west of the lift to Thunder Bluff. If you take the road out of Bloodhoof north, over the bridge and keep going, you’ll come to a little tiny bridge over a little ravine. Turn to the left and head up into the mountains immediately to the west (avoiding or killing the wolves and cougars) and you’ll come to the cave. The next quest giver in the chain is in there, and he should be active (have the question mark over his head) even if you didn’t actually follow the vision. Huh. I saw none of that, despite staring into the fire without looking away. Maybe it’s because I sat down instead of remaining standing. I _did_ hear the wolf howl. Another thing that made me think the text was the whole thing is that a while later while I happened to be standing near the fire, another player came up and did the vision thing; he produced the green fire effect, and then immediately ran off as soon as the green fire faded. i.e. he didn’t stick around as if he was seeing a vision. I suppose that player had simply done the quest before and didn’t _need_ to wait around. Thanks for explaining it for me 🙂 I may do what the GM suggested - abandon and then reacquire the quest so I can see this vision for myself. ---
**Author:** ![With\_Rye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@With\_Rye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/With_Rye)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/52 "2008-12-21T10:10:11Z")
The vision is a spirit wolf that appears next to the fire, not in it. So after you drink the brew, stand back a little and you’ll see a transparent wolf materialize close by. Then, it walks (agonizingly slowly!) out of the village and toward a cave, as \*\*jayjay \*\* described. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/53 "2008-12-22T20:48:30Z")
Well, I tried the “abandon and reacquire” on that quest, and was unable to reacquire it. So I just deleted the character and started over with a new Hunter. Saw the vision the second time around and successfully completed the quest. Now I’m having pet training practice trouble. While at lvl 10, I was successful with the Adult Plainstrider and the wolfy critter (“_Something_ Lurker”), but failed all three times at trying to train a Swoop (got knocked down every time while the Training Rod was doing its thing, thus canceling the attempt). Now I’m at 12th level, and the Hunter Trainer still won’t let me continue with the quest or try again. The window says something like, “Soon you will be ready” and lists a Training Rod as a required item, but the continue button is disabled. So I seem to be a Hunter without a pet. Any idea what I should do now? Also, my full retail WoW install disc arrived today. No more of this trial account business 🙂 My Tauren Hunter is on the Cairne server with the rest of y’all. His name is Chimtahna (I think I spelled that correctly) and he’s still hanging out in Bloodhoof Village if anybody wants to come around and help out. I’ve been up to Thunder Bluff and done one of the quests there (obtaining feathers from harpies to make a headdress), but went back to Bloodhoof to log out. I’ll be on later today (12/22) and most days other than 12/24-25 until the middle January when work picks up again. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/54 "2008-12-22T20:50:57Z")
Did you drag the training rod down to your toolbar, and now it’s grayed out so you can’t use it? They change the rod each time, so even though it looks the same, you need to drag the new one to your bar. Do you have ice trap or frost trap yet? If so, you might be able to lay one of those down, stand behind it and slow the critter down long enough to tame it. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/55 "2008-12-22T21:13:12Z")
What **Ethilrist** said about the training rod. And yeah, the swoop is hard. The knockdown is part of its attack routine, so luck is going to play a big part here. You have to keep trying until you actually get through a tame without having it do the knockdown (or until you get through a tame and manage to resist the knockdown). Are you absolutely devoted to doing a tauren? I’m not sure if a tauren can do them, but you can go try the Durotar taming quests instead. They’re entirely different animals, none of which have a knockdown attack (I think). You have to survive a trip through the Barrens, though, to get to Durotar (Razor Hill is where you want to go). The hunter trainer is in the bunker between the two gates into town on the south side. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/56 "2008-12-22T21:16:34Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Did you drag the training rod down to your toolbar, and now it’s grayed out so you can’t use it? They change the rod each time, so even though it looks the same, you need to drag the new one to your bar. Do you have ice trap or frost trap yet? If so, you might be able to lay one of those down, stand behind it and slow the critter down long enough to tame it. He won’t have the traps. I think they’re all post-15 or 18, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/57 "2008-12-22T21:23:54Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > He won’t have the traps. I think they’re all post-15 or 18, at least. First trap is 20, I think. I trained up my skills from 18 and 20 at the same time on my hunter, and I got Frost Trap then. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/58 "2008-12-22T21:30:15Z")
I want to address what I said about the swoop knockdown. It IS a part of its attack routine, but it shouldn’t take too many tries to get a smooth tame. Lvl 10-20 is still very basic stuff and shouldn’t cause TOO much frustration. If you keep trying, you should be okay. I just had a “DUH!” moment…if you went through all 3 charges on the taming rod, you may have to abandon the quest and try to get it from the hunter trainer again before you can try again. Your problem with the vision quest was that you had already drunk the potion and summoned the vision, so you couldn’t abandon it…it was already done. The quest you abandoned would have been the one that the vision quest _began_, which would have required you to go see the guy in the cave. So try to abandon the taming quest and get it from the trainer again. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/59 "2008-12-22T21:58:05Z")
Actually, when a quest involves an item that has limited charges, or even unlimited, you can usually go back to the questgiver and get a new one without abandoning the quest. They do a pretty good job of making sure you never get ‘stuck’. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802/60 "2008-12-23T00:28:49Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Did you drag the training rod down to your toolbar, and now it’s grayed out so you can’t use it? They change the rod each time, so even though it looks the same, you need to drag the new one to your bar. Do you have ice trap or frost trap yet? If so, you might be able to lay one of those down, stand behind it and slow the critter down long enough to tame it. Nope, I was using it from my backpack. When I said “grayed out” I meant in the quest window while talking to the Hunter Trainer - the “Continue” button is grayed out. > [@jayjay](#): > > I just had a “DUH!” moment…if you went through all 3 charges on the taming rod, you may have to abandon the quest and try to get it from the hunter trainer again before you can try again. Your problem with the vision quest was that you had already drunk the potion and summoned the vision, so you couldn’t abandon it…it was already done. The quest you abandoned would have been the one that the vision quest _began_, which would have required you to go see the guy in the cave. > > So try to abandon the taming quest and get it from the trainer again. Yeah, used all the charges. I’ll try your suggestion. > [@Bosstone](#): > > Actually, when a quest involves an item that has limited charges, or even unlimited, you can usually go back to the questgiver and get a new one without abandoning the quest. They do a pretty good job of making sure you never get ‘stuck’. Nope, he won’t give me a new one. I’ve tried talking to him again after reaching lvl 11 and again at lvl 12, and he just says, “Soon you will be ready.” So I’ll try abandoning it and see what happens. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/world-of-warcraft-questions/477802.md?page=4)