# Worshiping Satan: A question for true believers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 6, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480 "2011-06-06T06:19:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/21 "2011-06-06T21:23:30Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > The Bible is gods book, his point of view. \ You knew it was coming, didn’t you? **Cite?** 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/22 "2011-06-06T21:24:02Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I suppose they think it’s cool to say that they worship the Enemy (Satan in Hebrew) of God. Besides, it’s not as if “God” is His real name, either. Policy requires me to make a comment about Athena at this point. I have a headache, though, so it’s just pro forma. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/23 "2011-06-06T21:34:04Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > You knew it was coming, didn’t you? > > **Cite?** > > 😃 \ ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/24 "2011-06-07T02:38:36Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > **Cite?** I’m not sure what cite or cites are appropriate, or exactly what it is that you wish to be explained by a cite. I do think, however, that we can show that Yahweh of the Old Testament was certainly preceded by far more ancient gods, gods who were worshiped before the human race itself even existed, and it certainly seems that Yahweh made claims—or perhaps claims were made for him by the more zealous of his worshipers–which serious scholarship can easily show to be false. That Yahweh was himself not by any means the oldest of all the gods, and being known only to men was certainly not the creator of the cosmos we inhabit and contemplate with dull incomprehension and fearful wonder, is amply demonstrated by the Necronomicon of the mad Arab, Abdul al Hazrad. One quote in support of this proposition is as follows: > [@](#): > > Nor is it to be thought…that man is either the oldest or the last of earth’s masters, or that the common bulk of life and substances walks alone. The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are, and the Old Ones shall be. Not in the spaces we know, but between them, They walk serene and primal, undimensioned and to us unseen. Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again. He knows where They have trod earth’s fields, and where They still tread them, and why no one can behold Them as They tread. By Their smell can men somtimes know them near, but of Their semblance can no man know, saving only in the features of those They have begotten on mankind; and of those are there many sorts, differing in likeness from man’s truest eidolon to that shape without sight or substance which is Them. They walk unseen and foul in lonely places where the Words have been spoken and the Rites howled through at their Seasons. The wind gibbers with Their voices, and the earth mutters with Their consciousness. They bend the forest and crush the city, yet may not forest or city behold the hand that smites. Kadath in the cold waste hath known Them, and what man knows Kadath? The ice desert of the South and the sunken isles of Ocean hold stones where Their seal is engraven, but who hath seen the deep frozen city or the sealed tower long garlanded with seaweed and barnacles? Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet can he spy Them only dimly. Iä! Shub-Niggurath! As a foulness shall ye know Them. Their hand is at your throats, yet ye see Them not; and Their habitation is even one with your guarded threshold. Yog-Sothoth is the key to the gate, whereby the spheres meet. Man rules now where They ruled once; They shall soon rule where man rules now. After summer is winter, and after winter summer. They wait patient and potent, for here shall They reign again. As Yahweh is obviously a patron god only of human beings, it is clear that the Old Ones can cast aside Yahweh with as little effort as a man may kick a cat out of his way. That the Old Ones are ultimately the true masters of space and time lurking behind the very fabric of existence itself is demonstrated by yet another quote from the Necronomicon: > [@](#): > > The nethermost caverns…are not for the fathoming of eyes that see; for their marvels are strange and terrific. Cursed the ground where dead thoughts live new and oddly bodied, and evil the mind that is held by no head. Wisely did Ibn Schacabao say, that happy is the tomb where no wizard hath lain, and happy the town at night whose wizards are all ashes. For it is of old rumour that the soul of the devil-bought hastes not from his charnel clay, but fats and instructs the very worm that gnaws; till out of corruption horrid life springs, and the dull scavengers of earth wax crafty to vex it and swell monstrous to plague it. Great holes secretly are digged where earth’s pores ought to suffice, and things have learnt to walk that ought to crawl. Given that these passages from the most ancient sources, interpreted and quoted by the deranged al Hazrad in his master work of esotericism and occultism drawing upon sources that he did not dare even name, show that Yahweh, far from being the author of all existence, is at best a minor player, it necessarily leads us to the tragic and disturbing conclusion that the followers of his revelations and word are poor wretches deceived by a lowly and insignificant deity worthy only of contempt, and of all sentient beings in all time and space are the most to pitied. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/25 "2011-06-07T02:56:56Z")
According to [this performance of a “Satanic mass”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rEOqCNgqEQ) performed by Coven (a '60s pop group best known for “One Tin Soldier”), the idea seems to be that Satan represents free will and personal choice as opposed to blind devotion to an arbitrary authority who says “Worship me or suffer”. Whether this is a legitimate representation of what devil-worshippers believe, or whether Coven were legitimate Satanists at all, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/26 "2011-06-07T03:11:51Z")
Speaking of 60s pop groups, the Stones were one that worshipped Satan and wrote SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL. Jagger sings in the 3rd person pretending to be Lucifer who was there when Christ died. They really believed in the devil, so did the Columbine shooters who went after Christians in the school. Satanism and voodoims is dominant in New Orleans and many Christians including Frank Graham believed God brought Katrina along like he poured salt over Sodom and Gemorrah. The occult is big world wide and the inverted star is one of their most powerful symbols. Lucifer was created by God and was his most powerful angel, very handsome - not red with the horns you see pics of. Thats from middle age and mythology. Gabriel and Michael were his other top angels. They’ve been fighting Satan ever since he revolted and fell. He was very handsome and powerful and was the angel who found earth and God made him the guardian of it. That’s how he knew where Adam and Eve were. Lucifer thought since God expelled him from heaven after revolting vs him and thousands of angles, God would expell man to hell too but God loved man so much he gave him a second chance thru his son who died on the cross but just as Christ had to die and rise, so would man with believers rising. Lucifer didn’t count on that. Believers believe that the Bible is God’s word, his letter to the Christians and to the world to explain how it was created and how it will end. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/27 "2011-06-07T03:16:52Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Speaking of 60s pop groups, the Stones were one that worshipped Satan and wrote SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL. > > Jagger sings in the 3rd person pretending to be Lucifer who was there when Christ died. > > They really believed in the devil . . . No, they didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/28 "2011-06-07T03:20:01Z")
Here’s some lyrics to the song. Mick was asked to write the song. They believed in these words. They even hired the Hells Angels in California as body guards and many got hurt. There was always sombody that got hurt at a Stones concert. Please allow me to introduce myself Im a man of wealth and taste Ive been around for a long, long year Stole many a mans soul and faith And I was round when jesus christ Had his moment of doubt and pain Made damn sure that pilate Washed his hands and sealed his fate Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name But what’s puzzling you Is the nature of my game ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/29 "2011-06-07T03:28:08Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Here’s some lyrics to the song. Mick was asked to write the song. They believed in these words. No more than Ozzy Osbourne believes he’s a werewolf. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/30 "2011-06-07T03:29:20Z")
Everyone’s favorite of the 70s, The Eagles, also wrote songs about Satan. Hotel California is hell. Note last line - everyone checks out but nobody leaves. > **[Eagles - Hotel California Lyrics | AZLyrics.com](https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eagles/hotelcalifornia.html)** > > Eagles "Hotel California": On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair Warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air Up a... ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/31 "2011-06-07T03:33:17Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Everyone’s favorite of the 70s, The Eagles, also wrote songs > about Satan. Writing a song about Satan does not make you a Satanist. You **do** understand that, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/32 "2011-06-07T03:38:32Z")
Here’s Keith Richards saying he is close to Satan and has even seen him several times. Now you can stay in self denial all you want. * * * Keith Richards (2002): “Sympathy is quite an uplifting song. It’s just a matter of looking the Devil in the face. He’s there all the time. I’ve had very close contact with Lucifer - I’ve met him several times. Evil - people tend to bury it and hope it sorts itself out and doesn’t rear its ugly head. Sympathy for the Devil is just as appropriate now, with 9/11. There it is again, big time. When that song was written, it was a time of turmoil. It was the first sort of international chaos since World War II. And confusion is not the ally of peace and love. You want to think the world is perfect. Everybody gets sucked into that. And as America has found out to its dismay, you can’t hide. You might as well accept the fact that evil is there and deal with it any way you can. Sympathy for the Devil is a song that says, Don’t forget him. If you confront him, then he’s out of a job.” (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France, for above 2) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/33 "2011-06-07T03:45:01Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Here’s Keith Richards saying he is close to Satan and has even seen him several times. > Now you can stay in self denial all you want. > > * * * > > Keith Richards (2002): “Sympathy is quite an uplifting song. It’s just a matter of looking the Devil in the face. He’s there all the time. I’ve had very close contact with Lucifer - I’ve met him several times. Evil - people tend to bury it and hope it sorts itself out and doesn’t rear its ugly head. Sympathy for the Devil is just as appropriate now, with 9/11. There it is again, big time. When that song was written, it was a time of turmoil. It was the first sort of international chaos since World War II. And confusion is not the ally of peace and love. You want to think the world is perfect. Everybody gets sucked into that. And as America has found out to its dismay, you can’t hide. You might as well accept the fact that evil is there and deal with it any way you can. Sympathy for the Devil is a song that says, Don’t forget him. If you confront him, then he’s out of a job.” (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France, for above 2) :rolleyes: Do you understand the concept of a metaphor? ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/34 "2011-06-07T03:46:04Z")
Bob Dylan, Madonna and Jay Z in the occult? > **[henrymakow.com - Exposing Feminism and The New World Order](https://www.henrymakow.com/does_bob_dylan_worship_satan_1.html)** > > Henry Makow's official web > site. Exposing Feminism and the New World Order ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/35 "2011-06-07T03:47:17Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Bob Dylan, Madonna and Jay Z in the occult? On the whole, I should think not. (Kabballah don’t count.) Furthermore, you should **also** understand that a great many people are “in the occult” but are not Satanists by any definition but Jack Chick’s. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/36 "2011-06-07T03:50:11Z")
I said someone asked Mick to write the song. It was the founder of the Church of Satan and who wrote the Satanic Bible. Jagger glady accepted the request. SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL is the anthem of the Satanic Church. See original pic of the album. Also see their symbols such as the inverted star I mentioned above. Their other song, Satanic Magities Request leaves no doubt as to their allegiance. Chilling stuff. > **[The Rolling Stones and Satanism](https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/rolling_stones.htm)** > > The Rolling Stones and Satanism ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/37 "2011-06-07T03:54:11Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > I said someone asked Mick to write the song. > It was the founder of the Church of Satan and > who wrote the Satanic Bible. Jagger glady accepted the request. [Anton Szandor LaVey](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Szandor_LaVey) asked Jagger to write “SFTD”? That would be a fascinating (and spiritually irrelevant) bit of musical history if true; but around here, you have to bring a more credible cite than . . . any you have brought so far in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gilles\_de\_Rais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@Gilles\_de\_Rais](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gilles_de_Rais)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/38 "2011-06-07T03:54:19Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > The occult is big world wide and the inverted star is one of their most powerful symbols. The occult is big world wide but only Satanists use the inverted pentagram as their symbol. Other occult groups use other symbols - [a slew of them found here.](http://symboldictionary.net/?page_id=1603) Many of us within the occult care little for self-styled satanists as it is a philosophy oft-generated from Christianity, which we have little regard for. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/39 "2011-06-07T03:55:37Z")
> [@Gilles\_de\_Rais](#): > > The occult is big world wide but only Satanists use the inverted pentagram as their symbol. Wiccans use the pentagram – might be point-up or point-down depending on the season. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/40 "2011-06-07T03:57:40Z")
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