# Worshiping Satan: A question for true believers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 6, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480 "2011-06-06T06:19:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/41 "2011-06-07T03:58:09Z")
Here are some specific Bible verses on Lucifer. Like I mentioned above, he was in Eden, Genesis said it was on the 6th day. Like man, Lucifer and the angels were created perfect but God gave them a free will and they, like man, rebelled but God loved man so much he gave him a second chance. When these performers write these songs praising Satan, they are glorifying him whether they believe in him or not. They are committing blasphemy, the only unforgiveable sin and they will join their idol in hell and he can’t wait to meet them. Christians glorify or try to glorify God, not Satan. Sometimes they fail but often they succeed. [http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/lucifer.html](http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/lucifer.html) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/42 "2011-06-07T04:06:19Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > I do think, however, that we can show that Yahweh of the Old Testament was certainly preceded by far more ancient gods, gods who were worshiped before the human race itself even existed.. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I will be billing you for the whiplash collar. ---
**Author:** ![Gilles\_de\_Rais](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@Gilles\_de\_Rais](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gilles_de_Rais)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/43 "2011-06-07T04:10:17Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Wiccans use the pentagram – might be point-up or point-down depending on the season. Wiccans NEVER wear the pentagram with the point down. 30+ years in “the community” and “the season” has nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/44 "2011-06-07T04:22:31Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > They are committing blasphemy . . . I don’t think it ought to be blasphemy, just saying “Jehovah” . . . ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/45 "2011-06-07T04:35:02Z")
Not being a theist I must let you guys in on a secret. Some times we get tired of being told that we are evil, are going to the hell and that we worship the “devil”. Remember your religions primary method of keeping you from questioning your faith is to warn of a great evil that works how??..by making you question your faith, so often these “devil worshiper” claims are your creations, we just go with them or you don’t listen to us explain that if you don’t believe in gods you don’t pray to any god. From what I understand “satan” is a hebrew word that is basically the noun form of oppose. Some times when those who have tried to convert me get a little frustrated and ask me if I am a follower of satan or straight out state that I am. Having read the story of Job being tested, I must say I find that character much less repugnant than Yahweh. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/46 "2011-06-07T16:28:34Z")
Blasphemy is taking credit from God and giving it to Satan which is what these performers have done. That is why it is unforgiveable. Job is one of the greatest stories ever written. The point is we all will be tried and tested because of our sin but we will prevail in he end like Job. He lost everything but it was all returned because he kept his faith never doubting God. He might have had questions but he never doubted God. Job is often where Christians turn to in difficult times and sustains them. God made a deal with Satan that he could test Job, take his health, his family anythign but no him and he didn’t. But Satan sure tried. I’ve proved without a doubt with direct quotes from performers themselves that these performers were/are satanists, just like some people in here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/47 "2011-06-07T16:36:00Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Job is one of the greatest stories ever written. The point is we all will be tried and tested **because of our sin**. . . :rolleyes: Read the story again. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/48 "2011-06-07T16:37:28Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > When these performers write these songs praising Satan, they are glorifying him whether they believe in him or not. They are committing blasphemy, the only unforgiveable sin and they will join their idol in hell and he can’t wait to meet them. Wherever they’re headed, it’s better than anywhere Jesus can take you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/49 "2011-06-07T17:07:39Z")
XXX19: The Stones didn’t hire the Hell’s Angels; the Grateful Dead’s road manager (Rock Scully, I think) did. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/50 "2011-06-07T17:09:42Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Somewhere in the world there are people who actively worship “Satan”. Why? If one believes that the devil of the bible exists, isn’t this an admission that the god of that bible also exists? Therefore, wouldn’t worshiping said devil be the most dangerous risk in the universe? > > Also, would “Satan” actually want to be called “Satan”? Wouldn’t he rather have his worshipers call him Lord, or at very least his original name of Lucifer? 2 reasons come to mind. One is it seems a lot cooler and a quicker way to get to the supernatural then through Christianity. There is summoning demons, witchcraft, voodoo and those things seem to be impressive. And Satan has a lot of sway of how God is defined to people who don’t know God. The God as described by the world, including many christian sects say that God destroyed Sodom for it’s sin. Therefor they believe god= bad, so satan = good. Those who know God know that Satan had a contract to destroy the city, but God rescued the people through Lot’s wife, who was made into a pillar in God’s temple and salt of the earth for looking back in compassion on the city’s people. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/51 "2011-06-07T17:13:48Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Blasphemy is taking credit from God and giving it to Satan which is what these performers > have done. That is why it is unforgiveable. > > Job is one of the greatest stories ever written. The point is we all will be tried and tested > because of our sin but we will prevail in he end like Job. He lost everything but it was > all returned because he kept his faith never doubting God. He might have had questions > but he never doubted God. > Job is often where Christians turn to in difficult times and sustains them. > > God made a deal with Satan that he could test Job, take his health, his family anythign but > no him and he didn’t. > > But Satan sure tried. > > I’ve proved without a doubt with direct quotes from performers themselves that these performers were/are satanists, just like some > people in here. I have read several Christmas stories to my niece and nephew, this does not imply that I am either a christian and/or a santaist. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/52 "2011-06-07T17:19:33Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Those who know God know that Satan had a contract to destroy the city, but God rescued the people through Lot’s wife, who was made into a pillar in God’s temple and salt of the earth for looking back in compassion on the city’s people. Cite? Was this whispered to you and/or mystically implanted into your brain, or did you read it somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/53 "2011-06-07T17:19:54Z")
> [@Mithrander](#): > > You’re looking at this from the wrong point of view. First, I can’t speak for thiestic satanists. They seem to me like wiccans bad-ass brothers, and I have a hard time taking them seriously. (The theistic satanists, not the wiccans) The general gist I have gathered is that they don’t believe that God is involved in this universe, while the devil is. Thus, serving the devil can have rewards in this world, instead of waiting on pipe dreams for the next one. > > Any of the ‘real’ satanists I know (myself included) don’t literally worship the christian character known as Satan. We are more athiest or agnostic than thiest. Our problem with north american culture is that it is dominated by judeo-christian thinking and moraility. Satanism is a complete rejection of that. It replaces the sheep/herd mentality that has been pounded into you by society since the day you were born with self-empowerment as the ultimate goal of life. Replace abstinance with indulgance, replace turning the other cheek with vengance. I’ve heard it called egotism with ritual, which is probably as good a description as any. Having read some of Anton Levay’s writing, I think you have answered the OP here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/54 "2011-06-07T17:55:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Cite? Was this whispered to you and/or mystically implanted into your brain, or did you read it somewhere? Anyone who knows **kanicbird** knows that “those who know God” does not necessarily mean those who know Scripture. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/55 "2011-06-07T18:32:56Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Blasphemy is taking credit from God and giving it to Satan which is what these performers > have done. That is why it is unforgiveable. This describes the counterfeit miracles described in the NT, not sure I would say it is the unpardonable sin. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/56 "2011-06-07T18:44:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Cite? Was this whispered to you and/or mystically implanted into your brain, or did you read it somewhere? Usually a waste of time with you, hope you prove me wrong: We know (I Hope) that the Lord tried to get Abraham to save S&G, but Satan was able to stop Abraham at 10 righteous people. If Abraham’s faith was stronger he would realize that he was speaking to his daddy and could have easily said 1 righteous person, or if there is none send me, and the city would have been saved. You can see the timidness of Abraham as he made the request to God. On to Lot’s wife: > [@](#): > > Luke 17:32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. Lot’s wife did indeed risk her life disobeying a direct order from the angels. But there is much more to this. [QUOTE=Genesis 19:26] But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt. [/QUOTE] In the OT when the Lord kills someone the Lord does not make them a piller, nor salt. They normally fall, or are swallowed up by the ground. The go down. But a pillar goes up. The Lord used a pillar of fire to guide the Israelites through the desert, it was a beacon and those who followed were protected and delivered from Pharaoh’s army. Simularally in the NT, Jesus said to His people I will make you a pillar in my temple. Pillars are a good thing. Salt, Jesus said of His people you are the salt of the earth and the light of the world. Lot’s wife looked back in compassion, and was used by God to save the people of Sodom. * * * Lot who followed the instructions of the angels ended up living in a cave impregnating his 2 daughters forming 2 evil tribes. So Lot was not on the Lord’s path, and shouldn’t have listened to the angel in regards to looking back. * * * God judges the heart, and if your heart is right there is no sin in any action in His eyes. Lot’s wife acted with Love and God used her. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/57 "2011-06-08T01:57:20Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > I have read several Christmas stories to my niece and nephew, this does not imply that I am either a christian and/or a santaist. But you are if you say you met satan and have seen him several times like Keith Richards said. See quote above. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/58 "2011-06-08T02:03:35Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Usually a waste of time with you, hope you prove me wrong: > > We know (I Hope) that the Lord tried to get Abraham to save S&G, but Satan was able to stop Abraham at 10 righteous people. Since the first sentence was so ridiculously bass ackwards to the nth degree, I decided to take a break and have a nice cold Johnny Appleseed(appletini made with Applejack) to see if it would help. Unfortunately, it didn’t help. Fortunately, now I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/59 "2011-06-08T02:04:50Z")
Here are some verses that say blasphemy is unforgiveable. It is blasphemy vs the spirit that is unforgiveable and that is taking credit away from God and give it to Satan which is what the Stones did, at least in two albums plus others like AC/DC in Highway To Hell, and Madonna singing love songs to Satan. She will find there is no love when she goes to hell. Here are the verses. LUKE 12:10, "And everyone that says a word against the Son of Man, that will be forgiven; But he that blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. MARK 3:29, “Whoever blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of everlasting sin.” MATTHEW 12: 31-32 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/60 "2011-06-08T02:07:32Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Here are some verses that say blasphemy is unforgiveable. It is blasphemy vs the spirit that is unforgiveable and that is taking credit > away from God and give it to Satan which is what the Stones did, > at least in two albums plus others like AC/DC in Highway To Hell, > Madoona singing love songs to Satan. She will find there is no love when she goes to hell. > > Here are the verses. > > LUKE 12:10, "And everyone that says a word against the Son of Man, that will be forgiven; But he that blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven > . > MARK 3:29, “Whoever blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of everlasting sin.” > MATTHEW 12: 31-32 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come”. Is there a particular sect you belong to, or is this all of your own making? It would be nice if I knew if there were any written ground rules that we could follow along with. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=4)