# Worshiping Satan: A question for true believers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 6, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480 "2011-06-06T06:19:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/61 "2011-06-08T02:24:04Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Here are some specific Bible verses on Lucifer. Like I mentioned above, he was in Eden, Genesis said it was on the 6th day. **Satan** isn’t mentioned until Chronicles, and only becomes a real player in Job. **The serpent** is mentioned in Genesis 3, which is after the sixth day. You could say that he was created on the sixth day, but only by inference from Genesis 1:24 “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” Anyway, there’s no particular reason to think ‘the serpent’ equals ‘Satan’. And, if you’re going that route, you have to explain how humanity was created twice, at Genesis 1:27 [_So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them._] and again at Genesis 2:5 (Adam) [_Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being._] and 2:22(Eve) [So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh.] But hey, that would take reading the bible, so you’ll probably not answer this. ---
**Author:** ![xoferew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@xoferew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xoferew)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/62 "2011-06-08T02:38:33Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > But you are if you say you met satan and have seen him > several times like Keith Richards said. See quote above. Wait, I’ve met and seen lots of people and I don’t worship them. Surely you are not saying that just believing in the existence of Satan is a sin? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/63 "2011-06-08T02:39:29Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > But you are if you say you met satan and have seen him > several times like Keith Richards said. See quote above. Once again, please get out a dictionary and look up “metaphor.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/64 "2011-06-08T02:41:48Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Here are some verses that say blasphemy is unforgiveable. That all means nothing at all, you know, save to persons who already accept Scripture as authority. If you want to reach the rest of us, you’ll have to come up with something else. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/65 "2011-06-08T02:47:49Z")
> [@xoferew](#): > > Surely you are not saying that just believing in the existence of Satan is a sin? Some Christians would say it is a sin **doubt** Satan’s existence (you have to take the whole package, all or nothing). Others would say it is not an essential doctrine. But all Christians would say it is a sin to believe Satan can ever be as strong, or stronger, than God. The RCC classes that as a named heresy – [Manichaeism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichean), I think. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/66 "2011-06-08T03:06:02Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > It is blasphemy vs the spirit that is unforgiveable and that is taking credit away from God and give it to Satan which is what the Stones did, at least in two albums plus others like AC/DC in Highway To Hell, and Madonna singing love songs to Satan. She will find there is no love when she goes to hell. Are you going to tell us about KISS? They are Knights In Satan’s Service, aren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/67 "2011-06-08T03:29:42Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > **Satan** isn’t mentioned until Chronicles, and only becomes a real player in Job. > > **The serpent** is mentioned in Genesis 3, which is after the sixth day. You could say that he was created on the sixth day, but only by inference from Genesis 1:24 “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” Anyway, there’s no particular reason to think ‘the serpent’ equals ‘Satan’. > > And, if you’re going that route, you have to explain how humanity was created twice, at Genesis 1:27 [_So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them._] and again at Genesis 2:5 (Adam) [_Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being._] and 2:22(Eve) [So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh.] > > But hey, that would take reading the bible, so you’ll probably not answer this. The serpent is mentioned in the 6th day and Satan was the serpent. That doesn’t mean he was created on the 6th day but in Eden. Everyone knows that but you. And it depends on the interpretation of the GAP theory and who believes in it. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/68 "2011-06-08T03:33:40Z")
Every believer believes in this story. > **[Was Satan the serpent in Genesis chapter 3? | GotQuestions.org](https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-serpent.html)** > > Was Satan the serpent in Genesis chapter 3? If the serpent was Satan, why did God curse the serpent? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/69 "2011-06-08T03:37:17Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Every believer believes in this story. > > [Was Satan the serpent in Genesis chapter 3? | GotQuestions.org](http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-serpent.html) Nope. Unless you are actually saying something ridiculously circular like “People that believe this believe this”, then, no. Not every believer in Christianity believes that interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/70 "2011-06-08T04:07:50Z")
They’re not believers to begin with if they don’t believe in he serpent story. Satan was in the garden as the guardian and that was before he fell. Then he took the disguise of the serpent to deceive Eve and Adam in Genesis. Then again, with the way Post Modernists believe and are re-writing scripture you might be right. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/71 "2011-06-08T04:10:04Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > They’re not believers to begin with if they don’t believe in he serpent story. > > Satan was in the garden as the guardian and that was before he fell. > > Then he took the disguise of the serpent to deceive Eve and Adam in Genesis. > > Then again, with the way Post Modernists believe and are re-writing scripture you might be right. Again, what Christian sect and/or church do you belong to? ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/72 "2011-06-08T04:12:32Z")
Rock is the Devil’s Music. David Bowie, Rolling Stone Mag, 1976. Manson, an ordained “reverend” in the Church of Satan, mutilates himself on stage (1 Kings 18:28), rips-up the Holy Bible, and spews “blasphemies” against the Lord Jesus Christ. and - hopefully I’ll be the person to bring an end to Christianity. Spin Magazine, 1996. > **[Satanic Quotes by Musicians](https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/satanic_quotes.htm)** > > Satanic Quotes by Musicians ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/73 "2011-06-08T04:40:13Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > From what I understand “satan” is a hebrew word that is basically the noun form of oppose. Some times when those who have tried to convert me get a little frustrated and ask me if I am a follower of satan or straight out state that I am. > > Having read the story of Job being tested, I must say I find that character much less repugnant than Yahweh. In Job, I understand that the adversary is called, The Satan, suggesting that it referred to a title, not an individual. “Special prosecutor” might be a reasonable translation. But in Matthew, Revelations and Paradise Lost, the word Satan refers to an individual. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/74 "2011-06-08T04:46:00Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > They’re not believers to begin with if they don’t believe in he serpent story. > > Satan was in the garden as the guardian and that was before he fell. > > Then he took the disguise of the serpent to deceive Eve and Adam in Genesis. > > Then again, with the way Post Modernists believe and are re-writing scripture you might be right. The way the KJV actually reads, you are probably wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/75 "2011-06-08T05:09:36Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Somewhere in the world there are people who actively worship “Satan”. Why? Scripture says that we should not worship Satan: rather we should emulate Saint Paul and secure a practical working relationship with him. Consider 1 Timothy, chapter 1. There were two, Hymenaeus and Alexander who had lost their way: thus Saint Paul, acting as a good Christian, “…turned [them] over to Satan, so that they may learn not to blaspheme.” According to Holy Scripture, Satan opposes, but he also teaches. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/76 "2011-06-08T05:50:06Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Scripture says that we should not worship Satan: rather we should emulate Saint Paul and secure a practical working relationship with him. I would be very wary of emulating any practical working relationship of Saint “It is good for a man not to touch a woman” Paul. Unless you’re dealing with _South Park_ Satan. 😉 Even then ya gotta be careful. His breakups are fierce. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/77 "2011-06-08T07:39:27Z")
Two pages and I can’t believe no one has mentioned “the great beast 666” Aleister Crowley himself. Crowley’s “Thelema” religion is completely non-christian, but he freely encouraged people to think of him as a satanist because, hey, it made for great publicity. He was in many ways the first and most successful media whore of his age, and self promoting himself as “the wickedest man alive” was a key part of that. Read one of his Biographies for the full details. There’s quite a few, but this one is easy to get hold of and well written: > **[Do What Thou Wilt: A Life of Aleister Crowley: Sutin, Lawrence: 9780312288976:...](https://www.amazon.com/Do-What-Thou-Wilt-Aleister/dp/0312288972)** > > Do What Thou Wilt: A Life of Aleister Crowley \[Sutin, Lawrence\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. Do What Thou Wilt: A Life of Aleister Crowley ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/78 "2011-06-08T07:51:53Z")
Satan was a cherubim of the highest order and a guard. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/79 "2011-06-08T07:59:45Z")
Make that cherub which is singular for cherubim. He guarded the tree of life. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/80 "2011-06-08T11:13:32Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Make that cherub which is singular for cherubim. He guarded the > tree of life. What religion taught you this? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=5)