# Worshiping Satan: A question for true believers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 6, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480 "2011-06-06T06:19:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![xoferew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@xoferew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xoferew)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/101 "2011-06-08T23:09:15Z")
I’m still confused about Keith Richards being a Satanist because he (claims he) met Satan. So did Jesus, if you believe the bible. I’m pretty sure Jesus wouldn’t be considered a Satanist by most definitions. I also remember as a child being given creepy religious magazines for kids where Satan would whisper things directly to children, scaring the pants off them. (Not literally – no kiddie porn was involved. Pants remained on.) He would urge them to do dreadful immoral things like attend a Halloween costume party where fortunetelling or kissing would occur. The kids eventually pulled it together and escaped the clutches of Satan. I didn’t get any sense that they were evil for having met him. But anyway, I would guess that Satan is pretty free to speak to or appear to whoever he likes unless God has a special no-call list for certain people. As a child I was always terrified that Satan would speak to me personally. (The magazine had helpful tips though, for what responses to give in such an event.) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/102 "2011-06-08T23:41:49Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I know ministers who say no, that all the parables were actual incidents which Christ knew about because of his omniscience. But that’s… why would…I don’t even… _head asplode_ You know, people make me sad sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/103 "2011-06-09T00:01:18Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Blasphemy is taking credit from God and giving it to Satan which is what these performers > have done. That is why it is unforgiveable. > > Job is one of the greatest stories ever written. The point is we all will be tried and tested > because of our sin but we will prevail in he end like Job. He lost everything but it was > all returned because he kept his faith never doubting God. He might have had questions > but he never doubted God. > Job is often where Christians turn to in difficult times and sustains them. > > God made a deal with Satan that he could test Job, take his health, his family anythign but > no him and he didn’t. > > But Satan sure tried. > > I’ve proved without a doubt with direct quotes from performers themselves that these performers were/are satanists, just like some > people in here. Wow. Where did you come from? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/104 "2011-06-09T01:09:19Z")
> [@gravitycrash](#): > > Wow. Where did you come from? :eek: Things are bad enough! **Don’t** ask **XXX19** to recite his Catechism! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/105 "2011-06-09T01:11:45Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Wait, what ? Didn’t The Jesus teach almost entirely in metaphors ? [nitpick] Similes, mainly. “The Kingdom of Heaven is **like unto** a mustard seed” and so on. [/nitpick] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/106 "2011-06-09T01:50:11Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > What period was Ezekiel written? Well, Ezekiel saw the wheel, way up in the middle of the air, which would place him post-Montgolfier at the earliest. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/107 "2011-06-09T02:20:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@XXX19](#): > > > > Make that cherub which is singular for cherubim. He guarded the > > tree of life. > > What religion taught you this? Satanism. **XXX19** obviously knows what he’s talking about, since he’s a practicing Satanist himself. He says so here: > [@I pit people who hate metal](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-people-who-hate-metal/583944/169): > > Damn, I forgot KISS because I thought they were rock. > > Lick it up, lick it up, oh, oh, oh. > Lick it up, lick it up, oh, oh, oh > and AC/DC who had some of the biggest metal hits of the 20th Century > and the place goes nuts when I sing Highway to Hell and TNT. > > Highway to hell, highway to hell, I’m on the highway to hell. > No stop signs, speed limits, nothings gonna slow me down > > And my friends are going to be there too and Im going all the > way down > > [http://www.kidzworld.com/article/5281-pioneers-of-heavy-metal](http://www.kidzworld.com/article/5281-pioneers-of-heavy-metal) ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/108 "2011-06-09T05:37:00Z")
> [@xoferew](#): > > I’m still confused about Keith Richards being a Satanist because he (claims he) met Satan. So did Jesus, if you believe the bible. I’m pretty sure Jesus wouldn’t be considered a Satanist by most definitions. Keith Richards was glorifying Satan with his comments. Why do some of you have a big problem with that. You just don’t want to admit the Stones were Satanists along with so many other performers. When Jesus met Satan it was on the moutain top while he was fasting. Satan knows how to attack our weaknesses. Jesus was hungry and tired. Satan said to bow to him and offered rewards but Jesus knew he had more rewards where he was. In the end, God said his is my son with whom I am well pleased. So Jesus meeting Satan like that was a confrontation where Satan tried to seduce him. Satan already had Keith and Mick in the fold. Also, don’t forget that Jesus drove the demons out of people and even gave the power to his disciples who did the same. The demons were Satans storm troopers fallen angels from heaven. Jesus knew Satan well and defeated him and will finally destroy Satan in the end. See Revelation 19-20. And Satan sure believes in Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/109 "2011-06-09T05:50:04Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > Satanism. > > **XXX19** obviously knows what he’s talking about, since he’s a practicing Satanist himself. He says so here: I touched a nerve. 😃 One must know the enemy to fight him. I READ THE BOOK ROMMEL. I READ HE BOOK. GEN GEORGE S. PATTON. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/110 "2011-06-09T06:45:38Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > What took you so long? That’s been up a while. I know the words to many of the songs and have listened to them. That’s why Ive been able to say so much here or I wouldn’t have been able to make any comments. ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/111 "2011-06-09T07:28:56Z")
You don’t just know them, you sing them. So do you really glorify Satanism, or are you pulling our leg about the artists really worshipping Satan? From what you’ve posted, it seems like you’re either a Satanist, a hypocrite or a troll, unless I’ve misunderstood something. I have no beef of you’re a Satanist. It’s always struck me as a bit silly, but otherwise harmless, and it’s always good to have posters who can explain less common belief systems. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/112 "2011-06-09T13:48:05Z")
Apparently there **are** some people (nowadays, at least – any claims of ancient family tradition are probably bogus) who literally worship Satan as a deity. See [Theistic Satanism.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism) ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/113 "2011-06-09T20:43:10Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > * * * > > Keith Richards (2002): “Sympathy is quite an uplifting song. It’s just a matter of looking the Devil in the face. He’s there all the time. I’ve had very close contact with Lucifer - I’ve met him several times. Evil - people tend to bury it and hope it sorts itself out and doesn’t rear its ugly head. Sympathy for the Devil is just as appropriate now, with 9/11. There it is again, big time. When that song was written, it was a time of turmoil. It was the first sort of international chaos since World War II. And confusion is not the ally of peace and love. You want to think the world is perfect. Everybody gets sucked into that. And as America has found out to its dismay, you can’t hide. You might as well accept the fact that evil is there and deal with it any way you can. Sympathy for the Devil is a song that says, Don’t forget him. If you confront him, then he’s out of a job.” (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France, for above 2) Did you really read this? “If you confront him, he’s out of a job.” He’s saying don’t forget about evil in the world, confront it…that’s a way of doing good. Stand up to evil. And as was mentioned earlier, I really don’t think you understand what a metaphor is. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/114 "2011-06-09T22:18:44Z")
> [@CapnPitt](#): > > Did you really read this? “If you confront him, he’s out of a job.” He’s saying don’t forget about evil in the world, confront it…that’s a way of doing good. Stand up to evil. Actually, that’s very WWJD. In fact, that’s exactly WJ **did** when Satan tempted Him. Had no idea Keith Richards was such a saintly dude! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/115 "2011-06-10T10:04:15Z")
> [@CapnPitt](#): > > Did you really read this? “If you confront him, he’s out of a job.” He’s saying don’t forget about evil in the world, confront it…that’s a way of doing good. Stand up to evil. > > And as was mentioned earlier, I really don’t think you understand what a metaphor is. And you don’t know hat Anton Lavay recruited the Stones into the occult and Sympathy is their anthem. Lavay doesn’t consider it a metaphor. BTW, The Stones made over $200M between 1964 and 1970 and went broke and none of them know where their money went. Van Moorison was married in the Church of Satan and both he and his wife drank each other’s blood standing in the middle of the satanic symbols. A man was also killed when the Stones performed Sympathy. Likie I mentioned violence has always been at the Stones concerts and they even hired the Hells Agnels as body guards in Calif and some people got hurt there as well. Somebody always go hurt at a Stones concert, even at one of their concerts near in in DC. Van Morrison suddenly died one night presumably by an OD like Jimmie Hendrix and Janis Joplan. But as Moorison sang one of Frank’s tunes - That’s Life, if you know what I mean. One of my fav tunes. > **[The Satanic Roots of Rock!](https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/satanic_roots_of_rock.htm)** ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/116 "2011-06-10T10:16:58Z")
I’m riding high in April and shot down in May. But if there’s one thing I know, I’ll pick myself up and get back in the race. Well, ole Van didn’t pick himself up and get into the race that time and he’s down there with his pal Lennon and Satan. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/117 "2011-06-10T10:49:45Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > And you don’t know hat Anton Lavay recruited the Stones into the occult and > Sympathy is their anthem. Lavay doesn’t consider it a metaphor. > > BTW, The Stones made over $200M between 1964 and 1970 and went broke and none of them know where their > money went. > > Van Moorison was married in the Church of Satan and both he and his wife > drank each other’s blood standing in the middle of the satanic symbols. > > A man was also killed when the Stones performed Sympathy. > > Likie I mentioned violence has always been at the Stones concerts and they > even hired the Hells Agnels as body guards in Calif and some people got > hurt there as well. Somebody always go hurt at a Stones concert, even at > one of their concerts near in in DC. > > Van Morrison suddenly died one night presumably by an OD like Jimmie Hendrix and Janis Joplan. > > But as Moorison sang one of Frank’s tunes - That’s Life, if you know what I mean. > One of my fav tunes. > > [The Satanic Roots of Rock!](http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/satanic_roots_of_rock.htm) We’ve already debunked a number of your assertions, despite what someone has written on a website. Repeating them does not make them true. And I’m pretty sure that bearing false witness is a big no-no regardless of which branch of Christianity you follow. I am quite disappointed in you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/118 "2011-06-10T10:57:34Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Van Morrison suddenly died one night presumably by an OD like Jimmie Hendrix and Janis Joplan. > > But as Moorison sang one of Frank’s tunes - That’s Life, if you know what I mean. > One of my fav tunes. > > [The Satanic Roots of Rock!](http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/satanic_roots_of_rock.htm) As far as I know, Van Morrison is alive and well. > [@](#): > > I’m riding high in April and shot down in May. > But if there’s one thing I know, I’ll pick myself up and get back in the race. > > Well, ole Van didn’t pick himself up and get into the race that time and > he’s down there with his pal Lennon and Satan. When, exactly, do you think ole Van died? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/119 "2011-06-10T11:06:28Z")
Van Morrison has an album called “Pay the Devil”. Did you see that? He used the word “Devil” right there, right out in front of everyone. Clearly he has died and gone to hell and been replaced by a Satanic simalcrum. It’s a pity they couldn’t make a more coherent, less irritating one but that’s Satan for you - always looking to ruin nice things. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/120 "2011-06-10T11:48:42Z")
I see it now. **XXX19** may be a tool of Satan, doing his work on the Earth, spreading disinformation, fomenting strife, and trying to make Christianity look ignorant and unappealing. By seeming to obsess over easily debunked urban legends and celebrity gossip, The Deceiver is attempting to divert attention form those who are actually advancing his causes; the hypocrites, the fear-mongerers, the deliberately ignorant, and those who would sell the Word for fame or personal glory. Vade retro satana! Your poor attempt at misdirection cannot fool anyone who approaches God with an open mind and heart! _I command you, unclean spirit, whoever you are, along with all your minions now attacking this servant of God, by the mysteries of the incarnation, passion, resurrection, and ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ, by the descent of the Holy Spirit, by the coming of our Lord for judgment, that you tell me by some sign your name, and the day and hour of your departure. I command you, moreover, to obey me to the letter, I who am a minister of God despite my unworthiness; nor shall you be emboldened to harm in any way this creature of God, or the bystanders, or any of their possessions._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=7)