# Worshiping Satan: A question for true believers **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 6, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480 "2011-06-06T06:19:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/121 "2011-06-10T12:08:35Z")
I can feel the air clear already! That’s the last we’ll see of Satan ont these boards!! Where would we be without our good loyal Doctor… ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/122 "2011-06-10T12:09:17Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > We’ve already debunked a number of your assertions, despite what someone has written on a website. Repeating them does not make them true. > > And I’m pretty sure that bearing false witness is a big no-no regardless of which branch of Christianity you follow. I am quite disappointed in you. BURN! > [@DrFidelius](#): > > _I command you, unclean spirit, whoever you are, along with all your minions now attacking this servant of God, by the mysteries of the incarnation, passion, resurrection, and ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ, by the descent of the Holy Spirit, by the coming of our Lord for judgment, that you tell me by some sign your name, and the day and hour of your departure. I command you, moreover, to obey me to the letter, I who am a minister of God despite my unworthiness; nor shall you be emboldened to harm in any way this creature of God, or the bystanders, or any of their possessions._ Whoa! Double-Burn! I just felt this thread didn’t have enough grade-school dynamic. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/123 "2011-06-10T12:24:01Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I see it now. **XXX19** may be a tool of Satan, doing his work on the Earth, spreading disinformation, fomenting strife, and trying to make Christianity look ignorant and unappealing. > By seeming to obsess over easily debunked urban legends and celebrity gossip, The Deceiver is attempting to divert attention form those who are actually advancing his causes; the hypocrites, the fear-mongerers, the deliberately ignorant, and those who would sell the Word for fame or personal glory. > Vade retro satana! Your poor attempt at misdirection cannot fool anyone who approaches God with an open mind and heart! > > _I command you, unclean spirit, whoever you are, along with all your minions now attacking this servant of God, by the mysteries of the incarnation, passion, resurrection, and ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ, by the descent of the Holy Spirit, by the coming of our Lord for judgment, that you tell me by some sign your name, and the day and hour of your departure. I command you, moreover, to obey me to the letter, I who am a minister of God despite my unworthiness; nor shall you be emboldened to harm in any way this creature of God, or the bystanders, or any of their possessions._ And if anyone is without sin, let him cast the first stone. ---
**Author:** ![XXX19](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@XXX19](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XXX19)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/124 "2011-06-10T12:25:44Z")
Speaking of Van, Brown Eye Girl, is a song about heroin. Heroin is brown. Like I said, Van ODed. You see, I do know metaphors. I really do. That is not spreading dis-information. Nope, I"m still here ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/125 "2011-06-10T12:33:51Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Speaking of Van, Brown Eye Girl, is a song about heroin. > > Heroin is brown. > > Like I said, Van ODed. > > You see, I do know metaphors. I really do. > That is not spreading dis-information. > > Nope, I"m still here Van Morrison came out with a Live at the Hollywood Bowl DVD in 2009. When did he die? I didn’t see it on the Entertainment News. I am shocked and saddened. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/126 "2011-06-10T12:45:17Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Van Morrison came out with a Live at the Hollywood Bowl DVD in 2009. When did he die? I didn’t see it on the Entertainment News. I am shocked and saddened. Van the Man is very much alive. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/127 "2011-06-10T12:45:43Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Speaking of Van, Brown Eye Girl, is a song about heroin. > > Heroin is brown. Do you know what else was brown? Right, the shirts of … Nah, don’t wanna go there. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/128 "2011-06-10T12:49:03Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Speaking of Van, Brown Eye Girl, is a song about heroin. > > Heroin is brown. I always thought it was about buttsex. In any case, if Satan-worship led to drug overdose, what would Kieth Richards be doing alive? And are you actually just trolling about Van Morrison being dead? He’s not, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/129 "2011-06-10T12:50:40Z")
He’s got a concert in London next week (Sunday 19 June). Honestly - unless you’re posting from his hotel room next to his still-warm corpse, I’m pretty sure he’s not dead. If you can’t get the solid verifiable facts correct, there’s no point in believing the rest of your more spurious assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/130 "2011-06-10T13:06:18Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > So do you really glorify Satanism, or are you pulling our leg about the artists really worshipping Satan? From what you’ve posted, it seems like you’re either a Satanist, a hypocrite or a troll, unless I’ve misunderstood something. Unless you’re posting in The BBQ Pit (our own little circle of Hell), don’t accuse other posters of trolling. **XXX19** , you’ve confused Van Morrison with Jim Morrison. Van Morrison (Gloria, Into the Mystic, Moondance, and Brown Eyed Girl, which is not about heroin) is alive and well. Jim Morrison (The Doors) died in 1971. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/131 "2011-06-10T13:11:54Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > And you don’t know hat Anton Lavay recruited the Stones into the occult and > Sympathy is their anthem. Lavay doesn’t consider it a metaphor. 😕 Hell/Heaven **yeah** LeVay considered Satan a metaphor! Have you ever read **anything** he wrote?! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/132 "2011-06-10T13:13:50Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > I’m riding high in April and shot down in May. > But if there’s one thing I know, I’ll pick myself up and get back in the race. > > Well, ole Van didn’t pick himself up and get into the race that time and > he’s down there with his pal Lennon and Satan. If you have to choose between spending eternity in Heaven with Jesus or in Hell with John Lennon, pick John. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/133 "2011-06-10T13:15:19Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > Speaking of Van, Brown Eye Girl, is a song about heroin. > > Heroin is brown. 😕 No, your **post** is brown. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/134 "2011-06-10T13:18:35Z")
I always associate “That’s Life” with Sinatra, not Morrison. I guess I need to expand my musical horizons – I seem to have very few Satanists on my MP3 player - too much Big Band, Broadway show tunes and bagpipe music. (Were ABBA Satanists? I’ve got a lot of their songs.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/135 "2011-06-10T13:42:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **XXX19** , you’ve confused Van Morrison with Jim Morrison. :smack: Yeah, Jim’s dead and heroin was probably involved. He didn’t sing “Brown Eyed Girl”, of course. And I doubt he was a Satanist; more likely he was just seriously screwed up. You want a song about heroin with “brown” in the title? Try “Golden Brown” by The Stranglers. Catchy tune. They’re still touring. Their drummer must be about 73 by now. Also unlikely to be Satanists. And sadly I associate “That’s Life” with David Lee Roth. Curse you, 1980s music scene! Satan may well have been involved there. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/136 "2011-06-10T13:47:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > :smack: Yeah, Jim’s dead and heroin was probably involved. He didn’t sing “Brown Eyed Girl”, of course. And I doubt he was a Satanist; more likely he was just seriously screwed up. No, he wasn’t a Satanist any more than Mick and Keef or John Lennon or Madonna. But I can imagine somebody with **XXX19** ’s mixed-up views believing that Jim Morrison was a Satanist. I can’t picture Van Morrison as a Satanist. For that matter I have no idea where he got the idea that Brown Eyed Girl was about heroin. Brown Sugar, the Stones song, is probably about heroin. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/137 "2011-06-10T13:54:09Z")
> [@XXX19](#): > > A man was also killed when the Stones performed Sympathy This is also wrong. Meredith Hunter was killed while the Stones were playing Under My Thumb. Sympathy for the Devil was played earlier in the concert. > [@](#): > > Somebody always go hurt at a Stones concert Yes, that’s why they make tens of millions of dollars every time they tour. Something always goes wrong at their shows. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/138 "2011-06-10T13:54:26Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Do you know what else was brown? What XXX19 is full of? > [@Marley23](#): > > **XXX19** , you’ve confused Van Morrison with Jim Morrison. Van Morrison (Gloria, Into the Mystic, Moondance, and Brown Eyed Girl, which is not about heroin) is alive and well. Jim Morrison (The Doors) died in 1971. But he didn’t just type “Van” instead of “Jim.” He wouldn’t have brought up Brown Eyed Girl (which is not about heroin) if he had been thinking Jim. And Van Morrison seems to be pretty religious, if we go by some of his more recent songs. Would a Satanist sing _Did Ye Get Healed_ or _Whenever God Shines His Light_? \*If you live the life you love You get the blessing from above He heals the sick and heals the lame Says you can do it too in jesus name Hell lift you up and turn you around And put your feet back on higher ground\* ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/139 "2011-06-10T13:55:30Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You want a song about heroin with “brown” in the title? Try “Golden Brown” by The Stranglers. Catchy tune. They’re still touring. Their drummer must be about 73 by now. Also unlikely to be Satanists. Got one more: [“Brown Sugar”](http://www.metrolyrics.com/brown-sugar-lyrics-zz-top.html) by ZZ Top. Also still touring, also known for a lot of things, but not for being Satanists. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480/140 "2011-06-10T14:01:34Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Van Morrison came out with a Live at the Hollywood Bowl DVD in 2009. When did he die? I didn’t see it on the Entertainment News. I am shocked and saddened. Ah yes, but he is talking about Van M **oo** rison, the bovine star, best known for the album _Moooondance_. Van M **oo** rison was clearly a tool of the devil. He even had horns! > [@saoirse](#): > > I always thought it was about buttsex. I myself am quite convinced of the, admittedly highly counter-intuitive, hypothesis that it is actually about a girl with brown eyes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/worshiping-satan-a-question-for-true-believers/584480.md?page=8)